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I build wind turbines. To head off lengthy pages of throwing numbers around and people wasting precious hours of their lives: if you think wind turbines are anything other than a wierd way to transfer money around and greenwash things, you're a real dumb gently caress. Full stop. Just shut the gently caress up, you're an idiot. I know, I spent 178 hours up them in the past 14 days alone. They're poo poo. They have a useful lifespan of 25 years, the engineering flaws with them are massive and paradoxically getting worse, and after you factor in repeated major component replacement they almost never pay off the inherent carbon cost of manufacturing and running the fuckers. Nobody in the industry gives a flying gently caress beyond the paycheck, myself included. Nobody. Just build shitloads of nuclear plants. We have designs which cost a fraction of the standard model and literally run off nuclear waste fuel. Solar and Wind are there to appease the peabrains of easily distracted green yuppies and distract from the end of civilization in a decade. Because you can't build enough nuclear to suck all that carbon back out of the atmosphere fast enough to save ourselves. You idiots, you absolute simpletons. Rime has issued a correction as of 01:30 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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No, you've got about ten years left. You know in fantasy /sci-fi the trope of an advanced mystical civilization shrouded in time? Lost technology which built vast monuments and allowed for miraculous knowledge? You're living at the top of it. Three hundred years from now, some wretch is going to dig up the last smartphone you ever bought and take it to the local shaman, to try and divine secrets from a legendary slate of power. And then that tribe will drink from some source with just a few too many heavy metals / radioactive isotopes in it and the last of humanity will go poof as they poo poo rivers of blood and die. Boom, the circle of life will have finally consumed itself.
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Son of Rodney posted:You're full of poo poo, both of these claims are extremely wrong. I have never seen a single study that has claimed anything even remotely over a year of energy or emission amortization for either on or offshore wind. After year 1 they run emission and energy surpluses, including all costs over the entire life cycle, including all maintenance and Replacements. What are you even talking about? That's cool, you're wrong. Ignorance must be bliss. 
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There's kids as young as ten out in the pissing rain, worldwide, right now, and I'm proud as gently caress because when I started trying to get people to listen in '06 my peers couldn't give two flying fucks about this. This is awesome. You'd all better be out there on April 15th, 'cause getting fired this year doesn't matter much if you're dead in fifteen anyways.
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Accretionist posted:Step 1) Want to get better. Were already living in collapse, my goon. We're on the far side of the curve, right now, and we're going to sink a little bit lower every day and every year, so slowly that most people won't notice it's happening. Until we're rationing power with rolling brownouts but this is normal to most people and they don't think anything is "really too bad yet!". I am 29, by the time I am 45 this world will be unrecognizable.
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I wanted to throw an edit in there along the lines of "gently caress, it's already a goddamn dystopian nightmare compared to the early 2000's", but my kettle boiled. poo poo. Is. Bad.
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Clipperton posted:went to the climate strike at ubc in vancouver canada, there were like three dozen people, all the usual suspects (hippies, earnest student govt types, bored onlookers who drifted away). thing lasted like 30 minutes Occupy Vancouver turned me off protesting for a decade, I am unsurprised. That city is hosed in the head, no meaningful change will come from it.
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I've been told the hot action was downtown, Clipperton. Looks like there were a couple hundred kids loving up traffic on Georgia / Howe today. Good stuff.
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AoF, remember when you got banned from posting in the other climate thread because you kept turning it into a therapy session? Yeah. E/N is at the top of the forums.
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I made another angry climate Facebook post the other day about how we're all going to die unpleasantly if we don't take action now. A couple people unfriended me, but one said this:quote:I work 9-5 as a Sustainability Analyst for a green builder and community developer. Everyday I am bombarded with depressing data regarding the pending doom of the world, and if I try to share my findings in anything but the most optimistic manner people say things like "I'm not the right person to talk to about this", "It's too expensive to consider carbon costs" or more typically, silence. And another PM'd me this a day later: quote:Hey man long time no see. I saw your recent Facebook posts about the climate and future of humanity, all that jazz. Firstly wanted to say thanks for posting about it and just being really frank about it all. Haven't talked to this guy since 2013. Maybe not nuking my social media and instead reactivating and turning it into an angry soapbox adds value.  Moral of the story: start telling literally everyone you know that they are going to die, how and why they are going to die, in detail, and that it doesn't matter if they get fired for missing work on the 15th if they're dead or living The Road in fifteen years anyways. Who gives a poo poo if they think you're crazy, we're going to loving die.
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Mayor Dave posted:there are maybe a dozen species-endangering things going on that are all interconnected, and solving any individual one is at the limits of our abilities to fix, and unless we solve them all at the same time it doesn't matter if we fix one of them lmao They're all well within our ability to fix, the issue is a collective desire to die rather than lose luxury. I know a LOT of tech-bro climbers who would happily kill you if you tried to remove their ability to drive 2000km to climb rocks twice a year.
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Truga posted:hey, can i post this around? just unedited copy/paste. it's very powerful Which part?
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Ahh, the SA post. I'm tired, thought you had seen my FB post elsewhere somehow. Sure, feel free. 
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The idea of "we survived even the toba bottleneck, we can survive anything!" is pretty grating. I put it in the same bag as "the climate has bounced back before!" or "life will evolve again in a few million years!" as reasons to remain passive about a mass extinction. Every other time humanity has faced a severe population bottleneck or civilizational collapse, it has done so in a relatively unspoiled world and with its full suite of survival knowledge intact. Should it happen this time, it will occur in a world where 60% of all animals are already extinct, the oceans are on the brink of collapse, agriculture will be increasingly futile due to chaotic climate conditions, and the bulk of all humanity has zero ability to identify consumable VS. poisonous food outside of a supermarket. Domesticated pet breeds will have a higher chance of surviving longer than humans in the worst case scenario.
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Lol, gently caress Idaho, Mozambique just got flattened by a cyclone with over a hundred thousand "affected" and has another three days to go before the flooding eases.
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Dead Beef posted:
Climate change isn't the threat, Total Biosphere Collapse is. I tried to have the D&D thread title changed to that for two iterations. IMO "climate change" is too narrow a threat and gives people the comfortable illusion that if we just keep temperatures low we can continue the business of industrial society as usual. When in reality doing so will still destroy everything beautiful and worth living for on this planet.
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Mar 19, 2019 02:00
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Orbital solar reduction will reduce incoming energy enough that the nutritional value of crops will plummet, solar power will be impacted, and god only knows what it will do to fragile ecosystems. Alternatively we could just end capitalism and industrial society.
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Mar 19, 2019 12:23
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News has been getting pretty grim this week, and so loving tired. Whole body fatigue doesn't make for good writing or posting. 
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My mother is one of the few people I know IRL willing to discuss the ashes of the future in frank and honest terms. But she's spent her entire life involuntarily far below the poverty line, and has a much different view of the world than most others in the 50-70 range.
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Mar 22, 2019 15:38
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As someone working in the Canadian shield right now: LMfAO. You dumb fucks don't get it, I didn't even get it. The song goes like this: We've got rocks and trees and trees and rocks and rocks and trees and trees and rocks. For a reason. There's no loving dirt here. It is, in 100% actuality, trees attached directly to rocks and surrounded by an inch of this tough lichen-y humus mixed in acidic pine needles. Sometimes you find some rare acres where dirt has occurred and agriculture is viable and there are farms. Those spots are rare, what you can grow there is limited, and the lovely soil is largely heavily contaminated by the plume from the Inco stack. You aren't growing much of anything in the Canadian Shield, no matter how loving hot it gets. I'll take pictures, as the snow melts I become ever more confused as to why anyone lives in this utter hellscape.
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If you are aware and accept that our biosphere is coming to an end yet keep working a 9-5 to buy more poo poo, rather than aggressively working to end capitalist society / reduce ongoing systemic carbon outputs, you're what we call "complicit". 
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I spent 7 years working in the tech industry, building the kind of predatory systems which are currently loving up our society. I made peanuts, and I left long before I got all woke brains about the climate, but I still went from being a neckbeard who spent all my time gaming and actively harming the world with my career to one who is at least trying to radically change our course from disaster. Even though I personally believe we are already hosed. Yeah, it hurt for a few years. There were lean times. Last year I was down to -$10k and $800 in cash to my name because I was helping out my family. The worst finances I've ever had. That's life, sometimes you eat poo poo. The project I'm wrapping up reduces Ontarios carbon footprint by 850,000 tons a year, and I made $8500/m net while doing so. Half of which was tax-free. I have work lined up for the next 3 years, as long as Canada doesn't elect trump-lite in November. This is obviously an edge case. I do not expect everyone to become a wandering renewables construction worker who pulls 90 hour weeks, in -40, to try and save the future. I do, however, expect people to radically alter their lifestyle to the fullest extent they possibly can. And to get the gently caress out and actively start doing whatever they can to create society-wide change. And I do not mean starting a loving neighborhood recycling program. Sitting there and continuing to live like it is 2005, if you have full knowledge of what is coming, is disgusting. Be ashamed. 
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I mean, yeah, when I first started posting in the OG climate change thread that was my take - that we should just accept our fate because billions of humans have died throughout history and it's just natural. Very nihilistic bullshit which excused inaction. It was shameful, I regret that phase of my climate posting history. A few years back I went camping on the north coast of BC, did a reasonable amount of acid, and realized holy poo poo: yeah, it doesn't matter if humans die off, but rather that we're going to take every beautiful thing on earth with us in our final doom orgy. I loving love forests, especially the coastal rainforest forest, and the forests I love are going to burn within my lifetime. I would love to be back home in Vancouver, enjoying life with my friends, climbing mountains, and be near my ailing mother and brother. I could easily justify that by just saying we're all hosed, gently caress it, and go back to lotus dreaming. But I can't do that , that is not me, if I believe that we're hosed then I have to try and do everything I can to avert that cliff and mitigate the destruction of our habitat. I can't sit here and be an apathetic hypocrite and die with that level of raw existential horror on my conscience. I cannot toss aside my morals and ethics to that degree. Not anymore. I've been turning down work in the oil sands for years, despite offers exceeding $40/hr and my poo poo financial situation, because holy poo poo how could I take that work and still talk this talk? How can I wake up in the morning knowing I sold out my own future, and the future of everything I love, for comforts today? I have no formal education beyond high school, I have a bizarre resume and a rare trade which is really only useful for Oil & Gas, and Wind. All I can do in this is build wind turbines and very very vehemently try to shake everyone around me into action by scaring the poo poo out of them. That's all I've been trying to do in these threads for the past long while. Not be nihilistic, not have people give up. Just scare them so thoroughly with the sheer depth of environmental collapse we are facing that they get the gently caress out and start thinking bigger than meatless mondays. I am not going to sit here and pretend half-measures will avoid the destruction of the environment I love. I'm not going to sacrifice my morals and ethics for pleasure, and watch my planet die. I am going to rage against the dying of the light until it consumes me. And so should you. (I can't quote on mobile right now, so thanks Rodney, I really appreciate that.)
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I started posting that at the top of a tower and finished it at the bottom, so there's a bit of a gap from what I was responding to.
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Maybe back around 16/17? I know I mentioned it in passing a couple years ago when I was still wallowing in nihilism. I sold all of my downhill ski gear last year when I realized skiing was possibly one of the most ridiculously bougie and honestly wasteful passtimes. I still ski mountaineer, the carbon footprint is considerably lower.
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The planet spent a billion years generating the conditions for panspermia, but the final stage was terminally insane and the experiment failed.
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KSR has always been incredibly on the nose, an Arthur C Clarke for environmental Doom. The Mars Trilogy was basically bang on for the earth portions.
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Awesome. I was pretty appalled at the trash literally everywhere when I went through eastern Europe, but I know the place is also economically depressed and unable to really fund localized collection systems or get people to generally give a poo poo when their lives are already grimdark. This is good.
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While Geoengineering will potentially stave off the short-term mass deaths of humans, it will do nothing to ameliorate the rapid unraveling of our planetary biosphere. It will in fact likely accelerate it by adding additional stresses to the system. So if your idea of a solution is "keep feeding people nutrient paste to keep them alive and living a somewhat modern consumer lifestyle, in a world increasingly bereft of any diversity of life" then yeah, that'll work in the short term. If, on the other hand, you'd rather not like to see most of our planetary biodiversity die off just so we can keep up an utterly ludicrous population base and consumer economy, then geoengineering should be heavily frowned upon. It kicks the business as usual can down the road, it does not resolve our dilemma.
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Don't forget the helium which is just vented off because it's too hard to collect, despite being one of the rarest elements on the planet and completely non-renewable.
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Trainee PornStar posted:A quick check of the wiki suggests that's maybe not the case. Dig deeper than Wiki:Helium next time, we've been sinking deeper into a supply shortage for a decade since the USA sold off their stockpile for pennies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_storage_and_conservation https://www.labnews.co.uk/comment/addressing-helium-shortage-08-01-2019/ My point was that, for the better part of a century, we vented it off as a waste gas. We still do, mostly. Sure it's "renewable" on a timescale in the millions of years, maybe, but so is the loving climate. Doesn't help us when we run out. Rime has issued a correction as of 11:36 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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StabbinHobo posted:i really think there's going to be some kind of wierd "tech" boom in like, software defined refugee camps. autonomous self-constructing tent cities and poo poo. I don't think this is realistically deployable, but I think if you and I put our heads together we could pitch a really slick TED talk on this, bilk at least a cool $20 Million out of some dumbfuck SV types, and use it to bankroll "ISIS 2: Less God, More Gaia". 
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Former DILF posted:What if the greenhouses and bubble communities is exactly what we need to spread into space? Sure billions would die but the technologies created to preserve the few might be exactly what we need to colonize mars etc It is vastly easier to stop destroying our entire loving biosphere than it is to kickstart a new one on a dead rear end planet like Mars.
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I am completely unsurprised that XR in north america was rapidly and thoroughly taken over by the same fartbreathing sycophantic shiteaters who turned Occupy into a joke and have generally undermined every protest movement in the US and Canada for the past two decades. I don't even think it's a deliberate co-intel move by intelligence agencies, I don't find it at all hard to believe that people on this continent are just that loving stupid. And those are the precious few who gave enough fucks to even show up. We're loving dead, m8. 
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slumdoge millionare posted:Fixed for you. The 60's were sixty years agonpw, and as relevant to the modern era as steam ships and the yukon gold rush were to the sixties. Anybody who remembers the sixties is a fossil. The phenomenon of mass media ensures that outdated eras like the 60's retain a stranglehold on society culturally. Look at how radio largely plays the same 50 year old songs as if they're still the hottest poo poo.
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poo poo is about to get so bad, so fast, that scientists do not believe their own models.quote:A host of global climate models developed for the United Nations's next major assessment of global warming, due in 2021, are now showing a puzzling but undeniable trend: They are running hotter than they have in the past. In earlier models, doubling atmospheric carbon dioxide over preindustrial levels led models to predict somewhere between 2°C and 4.5°C of warming once the planet came into balance. But in at least eight of the next-generation models, produced by leading centers in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, and France, that "equilibrium climate sensitivity" has come in at 5°C or warmer. Many scientists, including the model developers, are doubtful this increased warming is likely to be real. Over the next year, they will be comparing notes on what happened in their models, which in many cases simulate the Earth system better than ever before. It's also possible that climate sensitivities from models will be de-emphasized in the next U.N. climate assessment, further replaced instead by restraints from the ancient climate and modern observations.
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Since our only form of carbon capture remotely close to carbon neutral remains planting trees, that's a big fuckin'  from me boss.
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CODChimera posted:I seriously have no idea what I should be doing in response to all of this anymore. Give up your job, your house, your comfortable western lifestyle and dedicate 100% of your time to fighting against the worst crime humanity has ever committed. Shame your family, your friends, and your neighbors at every opportunity for not doing the same. Or just ride out the next decade in comfort and blissfully enjoy the apex of human civilization before it collapses into ruin. All depends on how you want to feel about your lifes work when you die, I guess. 
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You missed the best quote: ‘What you people call collapse means living in the same conditions as the people who grow your coffee.’
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