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Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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unironically asking, where would be a good place to move to in the near future to ride out the oncoming climate catastrophe. i live near the coast in the southern US so between hurricanes, heat, rising sea levels, and polar vortexes its already getting to be pretty loving miserable here

i'm thinking montana or alaska

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Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Relevant Tangent posted:

Pacific Northwest, somewhere near a hotspring. Montana has miserable winters, if you think the polar vortex is bad you're not ready for a real winter.

the polar vortex was only miserable in that texas is wholly unequipped to deal with that level of cold for a variety of reasons including building codes not made in contemplation of sustained low temperatures, texas having its own power grid to avoid federal regulation & lack of investment in winterization, and local jurisdictions having next to no infrastructure to deal with snow (salt trucks, snow plows, etc.)

none of that is going to change because the state leadership is absolutely hosed. the actual weather itself wasnt really that bad and is comparable to what much of the rest of the country sees every year.

i dont mind the cold if its somewhere that actually can handle it.

but when i mean miserable i mean miserably hot & humid for like half of the year, facing rising sea levels, and the annual hurricane threat (which are getting more common and more severe).

basically i just want to live somewhere that isnt going to be a literal sauna in 15 years (and preferably somewhere that isn't insanely expensive to move to/live in right now)

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/freshwater-fish-catastrophic-extinction-endangered-species-climate-change/

lol

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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the luddites were right

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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lets just change the way we measure temperature so it isnt hot anymore

like just adjust the temperature scale up. 0 is now 50 and 100 is now 150. then it wont be hot

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Pryor on Fire posted:

If you've never had the experience of visiting Duluth in the summer and losing a pint of blood to mosquitos on your walk from the air conditioned hotel to the air conditioned car it's really something else. You get kind of high after all the blood loss, it's like smoking a cigarette for the first time.

*laughs in Houston*

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Trabisnikof posted:

idk if they tried that, but beer tastes a little off after getting nuked

not gonna lie id definitely sign up to do taste tests of nuclear explosion beer/soda

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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how hard would it be for someone/a group to go in and sabotage the glacier and kickstart all of this. like using explosives to sever the ice tongue or whatever. in uh minecraft

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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started reading ministry for the future and its definitely scratching my doomer itch

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Chamale posted:

I definitely don't drink that much seawater. Should I be? Or is this a Spiders Georg situation?

Just do what I do and make your own seawater at home. A little over an ounce of salt per liter should do the trick.

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/status/1385778557205422087

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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TACD posted:

surely there must be something we can do. is there a crypto coin that helps the climate we could all buy???

thats literally one of the major plot points of ministry for the future lol

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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hmm seems bad

https://academictimes.com/greenhouse-gases-are-slowly-shrinking-the-middle-atmosphere/

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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It's not a straight forward situation where the lake [Mead] shrinks in relation to the city growing. It's not like the Aral Sea that's just disappearing due to agriculture. Lake Mead grows and shrinks constantly. There was a significant draught that peaked in 2016 as seen in this link posted by /u/Bo-Katan
: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/88099/visualizing-the-highs-and-lows-of-lake-mead

The lake has now grown from its recent low, and proper care and infrastructure can maintain it for the long run even as Nevada grows.

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The situation is in fact sustainable for the long run to support existing populations and exiting growth rates as well even with some climate change impacts. The problem is accelerating growth, which is why southern Utah and their desire to receive more water has become a big focus in recent years...

A truly unsustainable situation (in the present) would rapidly deteriorate over a few years. You would expect Lake Mead to be almost dry after half a decade. But no one is foreseeing that happening barring a “black swan” kind of drought, like very low rainfall for 7 years straight in most of the upper Colorado Basin.

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Complications posted:

In the long run everyone's dead. I'm just fascinated by finding out how throughly we've killed ourselves and how we've assured it on so many levels.

We are the middle children of history. Born too late to explore earth, born too early to explore space see the full scale of anthropogenic climate apocalypse.

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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https://i.imgur.com/EmeLn5t.mp4

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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AppleNippleBOB posted:

Do you have a source on this video (time, location... is that methane?)

I found it on imgur. It claimed to be methane but had no other details (and also not even a hint of any concern about there being enough methane in the water to ignite lol)

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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my favorite part of fracing is the unfathomable amount of freshwater that gets used (45 million L of water for a single horizontal well on average) and turned into a briny slurry that gets pumped back into the ground and causes earthquakes in places that basically never had them before. the water used by these drillers might as well be free for what they are paying for it

the total amount per year is estimated at 3,400 billion L of this "produced" water in the us.

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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this thread should be called the not cool zone

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Minrad posted:

listening to Ministry for the Future, and the accounts where millions of people die due to horrific climate events are lmao, but not as lmao as the purely fantasy accounts of bankers collaborating to help save the world as the economy takes a poo poo

its incredibly cool how KSR just handwaves humanity just totally changing its priorities overnight and abandoning centuries of cultural preference like its no biggie

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Lost Time posted:

Ruh roh

https://apnews.com/article/wa-state-wire-oceans-climate-glaciers-climate-change-3644a4238d2fcbe48f4f47ddbeea16fa



As the Arctic continues its meltdown, definitely keep eyes on the Antarctic as it's been doing some funny things in recent years.

If Thwaites and Pine go in our lifetimes, then that's basically GG. Almost half the population lives next to a coast right now. And then a lot of the interior of the planet will be in meltdown mode already, so there might be a lack of decent space to move billions of humans to in a relatively short amount of time. And there's definitely not going to be a lot of time to build up the needed infrastructure to take on the onslaught.

its ok the entire oil drilling industry will convert to pump out the water from underneath the glaciers and the worlds aircraft carriers will lend their nuclear reactors to power the effort. things will be fine

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1405320035116138497

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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err posted:

Need all central banks to adopt a Carbon Coin and everything falls into place after that 🤡

to be fair even that required the assassination of scores of elites and the downing of numerous airliners by drone swarms first

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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galenanorth posted:

Arizona produces two-thirds of America's copper, and America gets 69% of its copper domestically. They have a copper-colored star on their state flag
(via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Arizona and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_mining_in_the_United_States)

aside from that, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona#Employment. It's surprising that mining only represents 13,000 out of 2.3 million employed in that context. Maybe it's due to automation

all of the relatively useful things we do in this country are relatively labor unintensive due to technology/automation. poo poo that used to employ like the vast majority of the country: farming, ranching, mining, logging, millwork, etc. all requires like 10 guys each now

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Still, public opinion data shows that there’s a disconnect, where even though about 72% of people in the US say global warming is happening, only 40% say that they think that it will affect them directly.

lol; lmao

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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we’re hosed anyways just give me 69° AC until everything collapses

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Shipon posted:

Corporations are responsible for the majority of emissions because our economy is such that they control all the means of production - that's the core of it. The resources a product needs to be produced don't magically leave the equation because a socialist produced them. That office building with AC blaring isn't gonna stop using electricity because the workers co-op owns it. Gasoline doesn't magically stop emitting CO2 upon combustion because the roads the car drives on are maintained by a socialist society. Sure, you can say that under socialism we would be able to move away from cars and towards something more sustainable because the corporations would no longer be controlling the media to force us to consume, but that is exactly the point I am trying to make. It still needs to be done, your quality of life will still change. It just can't be done under market economics. And that can't be done without some form of coercion.

Who said I wasn't fantasizing about full communism now? I don't give a poo poo what you individually do, personal responsibility has nothing to do with it - none of us personally did anything to make things how they are now so none of the moral blame can be placed on us. But if corporations disappeared tomorrow and a workers state arose to replace it, it'd still be producing the Funko Pops and oil. Unless the state dictates the production of these things be shut down which is exactly my point. None of this can be done voluntarily or through market incentives.


it cant be done at all

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Plastic and toxic chemical induced ocean acidification will cause a plankton crisis that will devastate humanity over the next 25 Years, unless we act now to stop the pollution.

lol

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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its just a draft guys pay no attention. nothing to be alarmed about

https://www.ipcc.ch/2021/06/23/working-group2-ar6-draft/

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Doctor Jeep posted:

cspam climate change thread bingo and there's only one square - "so i talked to my therapist..."

wow look at richie rich over here that can afford therapy

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Homeless Friend posted:

1 in 1000 year event


the original chart is really cool. like yeah whatever we have the heat dome that is so loving far outside the mean that it is almost incomprehensible but beyond that we have a constant stream of 1 in 10 year temps and more than a few 1 in 100 and 1 in 1000 temps in just the last few years

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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endlessmonotony posted:

Everything we dig up and add to the atmosphere was once there or is going to be present in such trace amounts in ten thousand years it's no longer meaningful for whatever life continues onward.

DNA isn't permanent and there are no trajectories in evolution. You are anthropomorphizing the process.

If we were going to manage a hothouse effect we'd have seen it already, because we're releasing material trapped by organic processes in the first place.

The last signs we were here will be gone once the continents are recycled, but life will just go on without us if we ever die out. Odds of that not looking good.

i don't particularly believe that we are going to end up in a hothouse scenario, but i dont think this argument is really convincing on it being impossible. just because all of the fossil fuel we're dredging up to burn was already here doesnt mean it was all in the atmosphere at the same time. not to mention if it was released over tens of millions of years there might be some feedback loops avoided versus burning it all in two centuries

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Homocow posted:

every time there's an oil leak or fire or catastrophe one oil exec should have their head chopped off

oops I sprayed some gas on the ground

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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its been 1 0 days since we last set the ocean on fire




it would be really cool if these events were the children of kali or something but instead its just our incredibly incompetent oil and gas industry

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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i need to get a job in svalbard

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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https://twitter.com/benjisjones/status/1412391222891761666

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Blockade posted:

Honestly, this thread, and the climate news I read about, have done more to even me out than anything else. I'm happy to sit back, and spend time with my friends and loved ones, and really treasure the moment instead of fretting about an uncertain future.

it’s made me give up on planning at all for the future. just purely enjoying life as best I can for as long as I can because the climate is likely going to poo poo the bed long before decisions like not trying to save for retirement are likely to ever affect me

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Trabisnikof posted:

the hottest temp ever recorded in Fresno was 113, set in 2006.

that’s also the high forecasted for Sunday

its really funny to see these posts come up like clockwork

"whatever its not that hot, it gets that hot every summer"

"actually thats the hottest its ever been"

we saw it with phoenix a little while ago too. i dont know if its a coping mechanism or what.

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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Trabisnikof posted:

yeah the big push is to make governments pay fossil fuel producers and plant owners for the theoretical money they would have made if they'd mined all the coal possible or run the plant for another 50 years. its about fairness you see.

look ministry for the future says it will work. blockchain!!

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Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

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anyone have any good resources for things to have for an emergency

I was without power for a few days in the Texas winter storms and it’s been sitting in the back of my head that I really need to be prepared for a longer term disruption (that and the ransomware gas shortage on the east coast) not looking to have an entire bunker situation, but I’m starting to think maybe I should be ready to be self-sustainable for a few weeks or a month without power or transport

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