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Regarding DBD specifically who seems to be doubling down on my shitposty inactivity. Game just started and jokephase was put down unceremoniously while I was wrapping up being thoroughly defeated by scum in Yami's pokemon 2 mafia. Regarding kaschei, I also thought you were joking, but have no idea about our game 7 years ago. I chuckled. Regarding ardulac, eh after carving out a play career entrenched in neuroticism and anxiety, I tend to unabashedly go my own way. I dont know what normal day 1 behavior is. I think this transition into "real" mafs so swiftly is just the cumulative result of a lot of factors, and I will admit to witnessing more so than participating, but only for the reasons: A. The aforementioned going my own way and... B. I wanted to skim to stay caught up, but come back and look at the posts when I actually had more time. As a result, I know you've all been waiting, through keen intuition refined and distilled in the furnace hot crucible of my mind's eye, I've decided that: DBDs meta hal missvote was weird, but perhaps more a funny oversight than weird... although it makes me wonder how sincere they are given that they have been one of the more outspoken players so far in this weird joke of jokephase. CCKeane posted:If you want to see an old face, LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND WEEP OVER YOUR LOST YOUTH. 2irl4me, the painful lol I liked GKs point about ernie overreacting, but I dont think it was anything too suspicious. Maybe a GK overreaction? Or at least I thought. Ardulac's stalwart defense which relies on meta was more curious imo, but ardulac seems to be pressuring everyone and questioning everything with the same intensity The shift onto ixt is understandable but seems rushed and weird like it was constructed to draw heat off of ernie and away from GKs points. merks response to imgays play seems totally artificial. I think the imgay rush was bad legitimately because scum driving a turbo on imgay has happened at least once this year lol. To sum it up, I'm less worried about who is not involved and I'm also less worried about the hyper involved. I think DBD looks fishy for the Sal vote more so than their accusations raised against me. Ardulac for all their persistent questioning and weird support of ernie is pinging me, ngl. The shift onto ixt looks weird and makes me also get pings on DBD again who has demonstrated shifting conviction including a lead in on a player not active in the game. It's not an omgus, it's a you're playing like aggressive scum: ##vote DBD
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Mar 20, 2019 05:47
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Meta Sal missvote.
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Mar 20, 2019 05:49
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Even if you say it's not, it still reads like uninspiring lengthy OMGUS vote wrapped in with some other random comments on other players that had way more things to sink your teeth into but instead just voted me for voting.. Sal? How is that an aggressive scum move exactly? Also, there was semi-serious conversation happening while you kept poking in with comments, otherwise I wouldn't make much note of you joking around while others are joking too.Jonathan Fisk posted:You made it. This was the last thing I saw to Sal from the actual mod himself, and assumed he was in the game. That's all there is to it. It would be like me reading into your flerp vote and voting you because of it. A weak vote to me is the equivalent of an OMGUS vote. Hell, the PM slip thing could've been a better thing to try to accuse me of being "aggressive scum" but this makes zero sense to me.
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Mar 20, 2019 06:04
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I don't like a lot of the meta stuff being thrown around either. It has its place, and certainly can be used for player specific interactions they've had with people in this thread, but have already seen more than a few posts giving meta reasoning as to why certain players are playing specific/odd ways early on. It's hard to tell if it's a well meaning "head's up" or just meant to confuse and keep people off the scent of actual scum playing weird D1.
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Mar 20, 2019 06:08
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Deadbeat Dad posted:Even if you say it's not, it still reads like uninspiring lengthy OMGUS vote wrapped in with some other random comments on other players that had way more things to sink your teeth into but instead just voted me for voting.. Sal? How is that an aggressive scum move exactly? Also, there was semi-serious conversation happening while you kept poking in with comments, otherwise I wouldn't make much note of you joking around while others are joking too. The things that you say I should sink my teeth into is you projecting what you believe is ideal or optimal in this situation. I have read those discussions and weighed in on them, it's your behavior that stands out to me. The meta Sal vote, I am not above marking that off as an oversight, but it is that you had a meta vote for him, and you cautioning against it now: Deadbeat Dad posted:I don't like a lot of the meta stuff being thrown around either. It has its place, and certainly can be used for player specific interactions they've had with people in this thread, but have already seen more than a few posts giving meta reasoning as to why certain players are playing specific/odd ways early on. It's hard to tell if it's a well meaning "head's up" or just meant to confuse and keep people off the scent of actual scum playing weird D1. Looks like a nice way to frame your own behavior as something that could have in any way been beneficial at that point in time. However, the meta Sal vote alone is not why I think you're suspicious. It's the fact that you had any explanation at all to lead into a serious vote on someone. Followed up with your quick shift on to Ixt that was defused in the span of an hour and a half to cherry pick my peripheral skim poo poo posting for your next bit of conviction when as you've pointed out, there are way more things to sink our teeth into. I think your pushing of me is a bit hypocritical in this instance.
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Mar 20, 2019 06:32
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Ernie. posted:i have this theory that scum are much more unlikely to back down from a case than town - they're happy they found a course, and whether or not it's bussing they don't like changing their opinions around You said this on page 4, as if it was testable at all yet Also I don’t listen to the posting of those I’m casing after I’ve cased them because anyone trying to defend themselves is unreadable
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Mar 20, 2019 06:41
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merk posted:....which is actually so out of character for you (especially day 1) that maybe you are scum? Lol
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Mar 20, 2019 06:44
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Deadbeat Dad posted:##unvote Not feeling great about DBD, who made a vote on Ixt that I disagreed with but then unceremoniously unvoted here because ??? Would also vote
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Mar 20, 2019 06:50
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I liked GKs point about ernie overreacting, but I dont think it was anything too suspicious. Maybe a GK overreaction? Or at least I thought. Wait so you did you like it or not like it? This is hedgey as hell.
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Mar 20, 2019 06:57
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George Kansas posted:Not feeling great about DBD, who made a vote on Ixt that I disagreed with but then unceremoniously unvoted here because ??? Because of the previously mentioned "meta" cases being explained? Lumpen talked about why Ixt has posted the way he has D1 and why he reacted towards Ernie the way he did. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt but still have a weird feeling toward it.
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Mar 20, 2019 06:58
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George Kansas posted:Wait so you did you like it or not like it? I circled back around to it, I thought you raised valid points.
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Mar 20, 2019 07:10
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:The meta Sal vote, I am not above marking that off as an oversight, but it is that you had a meta vote for him, and you cautioning against it now. I mean, not only was my "meta vote" an oversight, it was also a joke vote with a meta explanation because this is a totally new game and I wouldn't seriously just vote the guy because he fooled me in a previous game as my first post in the game. Hence me saying, if the situation was flipped, it's like me making a case on your flerp joke vote as the reasoning to why you're scummy if you called me out. You would also think it's a weak case. Anomalous Amalgam posted:However, the meta Sal vote alone is not why I think you're suspicious. Why didn't you write this in your initial vote on me then? All you did was bring up Sal. Anomalous Amalgam posted:It's the fact that you had any explanation at all to lead into a serious vote on someone. Followed up with your quick shift on to Ixt that was defused in the span of an hour and a half to cherry pick my peripheral skim poo poo posting for your next bit of conviction when as you've pointed out, there are way more things to sink our teeth into. Wait, I'm confused. Should my first ~serious~ vote not have an explanation? Am I supposed to be 100% committed to a gut read of a player playing too "clean" and "awkwardly jokey" in Ixt, in my opinion? Also the unvote wasn't quick and for no reason, Lumpen literally explained why he may have came off like that, I accepted it (to an extent), and saw AA just making these weird quips every other page and that pinged me harder. My last post about the meta thing does reference Ixt and Ardu because I've seen meta explanations on why they're playing like they are, I just don't want that to become a trend, aka meta reads for every single person that is playing differently, because people could overthink things. Also, GK, I refuse to believe you would look at/vote me in this instance over someone in AA that essentially OMGUS'd a call out vote, and then voted me because of a "meta joke vote" of a player not in the game as an "aggressive scum move". He also said he was posting how he was posting because "the game just started and jokephase was put down unceremoniously while I was wrapping up being thoroughly defeated by scum in Yami's pokemon 2 mafia", yet the last 3 posts he had after his "This game is filled with vets and old faces, strange." post were also quips/shitposts which occurred while things were quite obviously happening and way past the jokevote stage. I don't buy it. In the past, my gut has served me right when I'm frustrated town because people for some reason love to spar with me D1 when I'm active and making reads., and press me for poo poo that has pretty logical explanations compared to things that require a bit more, uh, connecting pieces to make sense. If I didn't call you out, I'm not sure you would've even involved yourself thoroughly by now, AA. That's what bothers me. I would be utterly surprised if out of a D1 that has had more than decent content, which is rare, you would pick out a joke Sal vote as the number one thing that pinged you.
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Mar 20, 2019 07:27
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Deadbeat Dad posted:Because of the previously mentioned "meta" cases being explained? Lumpen talked about why Ixt has posted the way he has D1 and why he reacted towards Ernie the way he did. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt but still have a weird feeling toward it. Hmmm ok fair, ty Anomalous Amalgam posted:I circled back around to it, I thought you raised valid points. My point was that it’s scummy, but you’re saying it’s not too suspicious? Those are opposite points
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Mar 20, 2019 07:29
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I’m about to sleep so I promise I’ll read that big post tomorrow DBD
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Mar 20, 2019 07:30
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George Kansas posted:I’m about to sleep so I promise I’ll read that big post tomorrow DBD Thanks!!
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Mar 20, 2019 07:38
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Deadbeat Dad posted:I mean, not only was my "meta vote" an oversight, it was also a joke vote with a meta explanation because this is a totally new game and I wouldn't seriously just vote the guy because he fooled me in a previous game as my first post in the game. Hence me saying, if the situation was flipped, it's like me making a case on your flerp joke vote as the reasoning to why you're scummy if you called me out. You would also think it's a weak case. Frankly, and I don't mean anything malicious in saying it, I do not at all care if you buy it or not. I skim and shitpost, this is nothing new. If you consider my attack on personal meta validity a point of contention, then allow me to appeal to you by referring to my own personal meta. I'm not trying to pick your stuff apart, but yes, I do single out my call out when there were other players making the same type of useless commentary. I don't see why my behavior stands above anyone else's in that category other than your expressed views run contrary to my own. As I've said and repeated, your weird meta vote on Sal isn't the reason I find you suspicious, it actually has very little to do with the vote or Sal, and instead that it feels like you've constructed a flimsy easy vote early on and then seemingly fell into Oh, well agreement to get on Ixt. Regarding GK: I was failing at emphasis. I took it as perhaps an overreaction to an overreaction as DizzyCow half-jokingly stated, because I immediately transition on to Ardulac. What is unclear is that the "Or at least I thought" needs the follow up "until-- Ardulac's stalwart defense..." It was a semi-connected thought that was intended to be a single connected thought.
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Mar 20, 2019 08:10
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I guess that's what effort posting on AA's part looks like! It's kinda weird imo. It looks like AA is offering some reads beyond OMGUS though, which is nice. Deadbeat Dad posted:I don't like a lot of the meta stuff being thrown around either. It has its place, and certainly can be used for player specific interactions they've had with people in this thread, but have already seen more than a few posts giving meta reasoning as to why certain players are playing specific/odd ways early on. It's hard to tell if it's a well meaning "head's up" or just meant to confuse and keep people off the scent of actual scum playing weird D1. Could you point to confusing meta reads and interactions? A lot of the meta stuff just flies over my head and it makes it hard to read if people are serious or not. ~unrelated~ I would vote Kaschei just because they're feeling to me like how they played SK last game. Just bouncing around throwing shade. In particular: kaschei posted:the scum which I guess maybe is Role fishing? I dunno. Wants to bring the conversation to and around pm's. Also and unrelated read: So like, what is this conversation? Ernie. posted:okay kaschei is actually scum, im happy with where my vote is Ardulac posted:I agree, he's probably the Scummiest looking person so far. AA is a bit off too, which makes the fact that Kaschei called him out for playing like he previously did as Scum seem a bit strange. ##Vote Kaschei Okay, Kaschei is the scummiest looking person so far today. CCKeane posted:Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? If AA is scum, why shouldn't Kaschei call him out? Ardulac posted:Missed this. I just found it weird that the two people I'm most suspicious of were involved. I figured it might be noteworthy later, but mostly it was just a stream of consciousness thing. CCKeane posted:Sure, I get that pinging you. So just to clarify, are you saying kaschei is MORE suspicious for thinking AA is acting strangely or less? Ardulac posted:Less, but not enough for me to not vote him. His recent posts are feeling more natural to me though, so I'm having second thoughts. ##unvote So like 20 minutes have passed, and 6 posts in the meantime. I dunno. Seems like a quick unvote. I just wonder what Ardulac's 'scummiest person' by far entails when this conversation causes him to cool off. Especially when a key read that Ardulac mentions about him cooling off is related to this: kaschei posted:AA asked if the game was going to be all meta reads so I gave the least useful meta read on AA I could Where Kaschei admits it was a joke, and so it seems Kas did not really make a serious jab at AA at the time. With this new info Ardulac didn't really walk back to revisit that though. Seems weird. ##vote Ard
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Mar 20, 2019 12:12
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I’m reading Ardulac as someone who realized he made a mistake with that aggressive Ernie read and put in a bunch of new content to try to climb back. Right now, I think he’s scum doing it. I’ve definitely done the exact same thing as scum. The post that really tipped it for me is the one where he tries to play to my meta on him to get me to unvote. In our last game, I said I wouldn’t vote Hal because of meta reasons and me misreading Hal often for these reasons. Ardulac and Hal were scum buddies. It feels like Ardulac is trying to play on that here. I’m on a phone boarding a plane but wanted to get this out.
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Mar 20, 2019 12:51
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I also don’t like AA right now. I agree with what DBD posted. AA is hiding a low hanging fruit case in a vomit of other content that looks a lot better to drill into.
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Mar 20, 2019 12:57
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Ardulac posted:I'd also point out that I think you just find my posting style to be Scummy. I'm not sure why that is, but it's a bit frustrating. Ardulac posted:
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ScumMind... the original utterance logically presupposes merk to be Town (only Scum know that someone is Town). I was not satisfied by Ardulac's response. ##vote Ardulac
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Mar 20, 2019 14:06
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Regarding ardulac, eh after carving out a play career entrenched in neuroticism and anxiety, I tend to unabashedly go my own way. I dont know what normal day 1 behavior is. so to summarize: ardulac may be normal gk is good but bad ardulac may be normal people voting ixt may be scum people voting imgay may be scum people who post and people who don't post are good dbd is scum because he made a dumb post ardulac may not be normal dbd is scum because aggressive
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Mar 20, 2019 14:13
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George Kansas posted:You said this on page 4, as if it was testable at all yet lol
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Mar 20, 2019 14:17
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:The things that you say I should sink my teeth into is you projecting what you believe is ideal or optimal in this situation. I have read those discussions and weighed in on them, it's your behavior that stands out to me. this is so weird, you're filling up your case against dbd with something that he said in serious-game-time and saying he's walking back a joke-phase vote, all that happened after your case, so couldn't have been part of it at the beginning... you're not answering the basic question of 'why is dbd's behaviour bad guy behaviour'
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Mar 20, 2019 14:19
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George Kansas posted:Not feeling great about DBD, who made a vote on Ixt that I disagreed with but then unceremoniously unvoted here because ??? have you tried reading the game i heard it helps if you want to pretend like you tried reading the game
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Mar 20, 2019 14:21
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George Kansas posted:You said this on page 4, as if it was testable at all yet sorry one more: lol
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Mar 20, 2019 14:23
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kaschei posted:AA asked if the game was going to be all meta reads so I gave the least useful meta read on AA I could i'm going to unvote kaschei because 7 years ago he played exactly like this and he was town ##unvote but seriously, he seems unstressed with my vote/number of people voting for him, doesn't read like someone who wants me to get off his case
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Mar 20, 2019 14:26
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merk posted:I’m reading Ardulac as someone who realized he made a mistake with that aggressive Ernie read and put in a bunch of new content to try to climb back. Right now, I think he’s scum doing it. I’ve definitely done the exact same thing as scum. Ooo look at me, I'm merk, I'm in a metal box in the sky, fear me ground people.
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Mar 20, 2019 14:56
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merk posted:I’m reading Ardulac as someone who realized he made a mistake with that aggressive Ernie read and put in a bunch of new content to try to climb back. Right now, I think he’s scum doing it. I’ve definitely done the exact same thing as scum. Lumpen posted:I consider this a scumslip.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:30
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I lived.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:30
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merk posted:I lived.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:32
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Ardulac, I didn’t make an argument that you’re scum because you claimed up. I don’t think I’ve ever made that argument. To presuppose that I would is a pretty bad flaw in your analysis of my last post. I did think you were scum that game. I guess if you weren’t, then whoops on that point.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:34
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Lumpen posted:I consider this a scumslip. i uhhhhhh highly disagree with this post and kinda makes me think lumpen’s just trying to jump onto a bandwagon w/ a weak case
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Mar 20, 2019 16:37
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Ardulac, I didn’t make an argument that you’re scum because you claimed up. I don’t think I’ve ever made that argument. To presuppose that I would is a pretty bad flaw in your analysis of my last post. I did think you were scum that game. I guess if you weren’t, then whoops on that point.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:46
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drat you, AT&T!
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Mar 20, 2019 16:47
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Ardulac posted:You do realize the vast majority of us are Town, right? Presupposing merk to be Town when he hasn't done anything I view as Scummy and is acting the way I believed he was acting in the last game (where he was in fact Town) is simply sane. This is very wrong but maybe a general mafia disagreement. I look at every post assuming the player is of unknown alignment. Presupposing alignment makes for bad analysis.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:53
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merk posted:Ardulac, I didn’t make an argument that you’re scum because you claimed up. I don’t think I’ve ever made that argument. To presuppose that I would is a pretty bad flaw in your analysis of my last post. Do you see how me not being Scum last game may have tainted your view of my play? Do you agree it would have made me less likely to have remembered that interaction you had with Hal? merk posted:This is very wrong but maybe a general mafia disagreement. I look at every post assuming the player is of unknown alignment. Presupposing alignment makes for bad analysis.
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Mar 20, 2019 17:02
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Ardulac posted:Do you see how me not being Scum last game may have tainted your view of my play? Do you agree it would have made me less likely to have remembered that interaction you had with Hal? No. No.
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Mar 20, 2019 17:13
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I was like wait when was I scum with Ardulac?
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kaschei posted:One down, about 240 to go I've read them all and I was somewhat disappointed. I agree with whomever said Ernie is playing completely different than his recent scum game so even though all his posting is giving me a headache he is probably town.
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