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Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:
I bought this a few weeks ago:



I got a text from a buddy in February with a shoddy Craigslist ad showing a white 2006 Exige with 8K miles. I tried to play it cool and pretended like I wasn’t interested. After my kid had woken me up for the third time that night I starting thinking how it would actually work. Gotta convince the wife, find time to go out there, is this really a good time, etc. etc.






Of course the answer was yes to everything so I call the guy up and get the story on this car. His dad owned it but passed away about 7 years ago. In those 7 years he put ~400 miles on the car. Sounded like registration and insurance were too expensive to justify keeping around longer. I told him my story about having an Elise back in 2009, how I tracked it for 3+ years, and did most of the modifications myself (well, really Aeka 2.0). I think that helped my case as he didn’t want it to go to someone that was going to flip it.

I couldn’t get a PPI on short notice so I had a friend come out with me to do a self-inspection. He was crazier than I was with his Exige S240 back in the day (custom turbo setup on the 2ZZ making 500whp) so between the two of us we could take a reasonable pass at it. Everything looked good and we made the drive back from San Diego back to Phoenix (even had to deal with snow/slush at one point along Hwy 8).

Snow!


My first car with a wing


The rear clam has a crack in it with paint damage so that probably scared some people off. There are a couple decent paint chips in the passenger door, the star shield has completely yellowed, and the front splitter is cracked. I actually don't mind any of that; they're things I can get fixed in the future and it doesn't affect how the car drives so who cares. The tires were original A048s with a manufacture date of December 2005. The OEM steering wheel was put in a display case and they clipped the loving airbag wires to put in an aftermarket wheel so that will be an adventure to fix.



None of that matters though. It’s a loving Exige with 8K miles, I got a crazy deal on it, and it’s just fantastic. Everything on the road looks like an SUV or truck and I forgot how much I missed that. Of all the cars I’ve owned since the Elise, this one feels like home.



I would also like to note the seller tried to raise the price after we found an expensive intake and exhaust on the car that he didn’t know about. That was a fun moment.

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Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug
Gorgeous car. Can't understand the ghetto steering wheel install or the original tires juxtaposed with an expensive intake/exhaust upgrade.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Awwwwwww yeah. So the clamshell on these is basically insurance write-off level stuff isn't it? I assume it can be repaired somehow in TYOOL 2019....

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:

Seat Safety Switch posted:

Gorgeous car. Can't understand the ghetto steering wheel install or the original tires juxtaposed with an expensive intake/exhaust upgrade.

I'm told the original owner was a bigger guy and needed to remove the wheel for ingress/egress. The car was bought in 2006 and most of the mods were from that time period. I actually like the steering wheel but I'm not down with getting brained in an accident. Regarding the tires, I think the guy drove it less as he had health issues and the guy I bought it from certainly wasn't changing them.

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Awwwwwww yeah. So the clamshell on these is basically insurance write-off level stuff isn't it? I assume it can be repaired somehow in TYOOL 2019....

Definitely for Elises but I don't know about Exiges since they're worth a little more. Regardless, you replace it with aftermarket clams anyway. I think decent rear clams can be had for $3-4K + primer and paint.

Any shop that does Corvette body repairs should be able to take a swing at a repair though.

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:
I've done a couple minor tweaks to the car since I got it. First up was replacing two interior pieces I saved from my old Elise, Reverie shift knob and A/C surround:

Before


After


I also have the tool bag and plastic battery cover from the Elise that I swapped over. The next project was replacing the tragic stock key fob:



I had the original Blackwatch Unikey but wanted to try one of the new ones on the market. Most are north of $200 so I set about finding all of the old parts to my Unikey. I was somehow able to find the pieces in various boxes that survived several moves but the one piece I was missing were the three M2-0.4 x 6mm screws. No one sells screws that small so I took the 10mm ones I had and got out the dremel. Just need a touch of paint on the screws but I'm otherwise happy with the outcome:



Finally, I replaced the OEM A048s with RE-71Rs. The shop was cool with me roasting the old tires in their parking lot and all the techs stopped what they were doing to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAJDBPfApM

I think this threw the alignment out of whack but I don't care, I'd do it again.

Next up I have some rear window shrouds from an Elise on order that will allow me to install my old soft top (not a factory option on Exiges but 100% compatible). I couldn't bring myself to throw out all of these Elise parts and now I'm really glad I didn't.

meatpimp
May 15, 2004

Psst -- Wanna buy

:) EVERYWHERE :)
some high-quality thread's DESTROYED!

:kheldragar:


Beautiful. Quality pastry right there.

Terrible Robot
Jul 2, 2010

FRIED CHICKEN
Slippery Tilde
That is some proper aged-out tire disposal right there.

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
Hrrrrngh. You're reminding me how much I'm in lust with those things.

everdave
Nov 14, 2005

meatpimp posted:

Beautiful. Quality pastry right there.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

meatpimp posted:

Beautiful. Quality pastry right there.


Terrible Robot posted:

That is some proper aged-out tire disposal right there.


mekilljoydammit posted:

Hrrrrngh. You're reminding me how much I'm in lust with those things.

5'd.

Beverly Cleavage
Jun 22, 2004

I am a pretty pretty princess, watch me do my pretty princess dance....
I mean, that video begs for placement in the post your ride thread.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
❤️

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Pr0kjayhawk posted:

we made the drive back from San Diego back to Phoenix (even had to deal with snow/slush at one point along Hwy 8).

The tires were original A048s with a manufacture date of December 2005.

drat, how easy or hard was that?

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:

kimbo305 posted:

drat, how easy or hard was that?

Actually not that bad. And drat if those A048s didn’t feel like they still had a ton of stick. They still felt incredible at low speed corners, the mechanical grip was impressive.

Once we sustained highway speeds for a while and it didn’t seem like the tires were going to pop it was smooth sailing. Got 28mpg too, a good 10mpg better than my daily.

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Did I just hear you say that an Exige makes a practical daily? :getin:

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

BlackMK4 posted:

Did I just hear you say that an Exige makes a practical daily? :getin:

It has four wheels, a roof to keep you dry and a nice, efficient four-cylinder engine. It's the perfect commuter car!

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:
I fully support that notion. Hell for the first year I owned my Elise it was my only car.

Pibur
Jan 28, 2019

A lotus is the perfect car for New England Winters. It'll never rust!

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

Pibur posted:

A lotus is the perfect car for New England Winters. It'll never rust!

Is this a joke about them never starting? :v: (I kid)

Mind sharing how much you paid?

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:

Pibur posted:

A lotus is the perfect car for New England Winters. It'll never rust!

Subframe is steel hope that helps

Residency Evil posted:

Is this a joke about them never starting? :v: (I kid)

Mind sharing how much you paid?

Not much more than a 2019 Miata club with the brembo/seats package and tax.

azzenco
Jan 16, 2004

Slippery Tilde

meatpimp posted:

Beautiful. Quality pastry right there.

These are happy posts. We need more of these.

MC Hawking
Apr 27, 2004

by VideoGames
Fun Shoe
I am wholeheartedly ok with this. That era of lotus is sick as heck.

Pibur
Jan 28, 2019

Pr0kjayhawk posted:

Subframe is steel hope that helps

gently caress. Shut it down. The Brits are bad again.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




hahahaha what the gently caress is that dick shape keyfob?


Awesome car, this rules.

Resting Lich Face
Feb 21, 2019


This case of an intraperitoneal zucchini is unusual, and does raise questions as to how hard one has to push a blunt vegetable to perforate the rectum.
Gorgeous car. I am jealous. You are awesome.

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

by Athanatos
I am all about this. Rock on.

Frond
Mar 12, 2018
Good poo poo.

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


Good buy, those things are a ton of fun and for the price of a Miata :getin:

I need to find a tire shop that'll let me kill my old tires in their lot.

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...
You could probably get Ballenger Motorsports or even our own kastein to ID that connector so you can just get new pins for the housing to crimp onto the harness.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

God drat. A proper send-off for old tires on an awesome car.

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:
Turns out those burnouts may have hosed something in the front end of the car (no ragerts). After the tires were swapped, the steering now feels super light at highway speeds. Just feels floaty as hell now.

I was hoping it was tire pressure, no dice. The lugs are at factory specs. I even had the car aligned. It was mildly better after the alignment but it still feels jacked. I’ll post the before/after specs when I get home tomorrow.

I drove my friend’s Exige with the exact same tires (but different suspension and alignment) and it was better; good enough that it wouldn’t bother me. Still nothing like the car with A048s.

The sensation is strange. On-center steering is vague at highway speeds. Feels like it has a lot of float. Turns feel much better. That’s why I was hoping the alignment would fix it.

I did a visual inspection for things like bent arms, broken sway bar, or anything else that looked obviously wrong. The alignment tech did the same. Everything appears fine.

Any ideas?

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:
Here are the alignment specs. If anyone can correlate these numbers to my issue I'd really appreciate it.



charliemonster42
Sep 14, 2005


Those alignment numbers all look pretty good. They’re in the range of allowable, at least. The cross caster is at the limit, but that will just cause it to pull, not be light like you’re seeing.

Are the tires mounted the right way round? Ie not rotating backwards to the way they’re supposed to. Are there any clunks or knocking noises that would indicate something loose in the suspension? I’d associate lightness like you’re seeing with too much air in the tires, have you checked the contact patch to make sure the pressure you’re running is appropriate? Have you checked the pressure with a different gauge?

I’d recommend finding a friend to swap wheels with briefly to see if the issue is still there, help narrow your problem search.

Failing all that, you should sell me the car lol

angryrobots
Mar 31, 2005

See if the alignment shop is putting a weight in the seat before the alignment?

Jomo
Jul 11, 2009
Steering rack bushes? Could be coincidence that they gave up at the same time but still worth checking. Only thing I can think of. Also congrats on buying the best possible British golf cart there is.

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:

charliemonster42 posted:

Those alignment numbers all look pretty good. They’re in the range of allowable, at least. The cross caster is at the limit, but that will just cause it to pull, not be light like you’re seeing.

Are the tires mounted the right way round? Ie not rotating backwards to the way they’re supposed to. Are there any clunks or knocking noises that would indicate something loose in the suspension? I’d associate lightness like you’re seeing with too much air in the tires, have you checked the contact patch to make sure the pressure you’re running is appropriate? Have you checked the pressure with a different gauge?

I’d recommend finding a friend to swap wheels with briefly to see if the issue is still there, help narrow your problem search.

Failing all that, you should sell me the car lol

Looking at the alignment numbers again, is the front toe a problem? The left is within range and the right is way out of spec - negative toe reduces straight line stability, yes?

Great suggestion on the tire direction. Unfortunately they were installed correctly. Air pressure was the first thing I checked - they were high from the tire shop but not that high. I was expecting/hoping they were 45 psi but they were only 5-6 psi high. Tried an older gauge and it showed lower by two psi, I definitely trust my main one as it's a higher quality unit. I also checked wheel lug torque.

I'll suggest the idea of swapping wheels... it's a lot to ask of someone but definitely a good troubleshooting idea.

angryrobots posted:

See if the alignment shop is putting a weight in the seat before the alignment?

I didn't know that was a thing for alignments? Thought that was only for corner balancing. Either way, the shop did not put a weight on there. When I had my friend drive it, I was in the car and he said it felt fine (though he could tell what I was talking about). I probably should have tried driving with him in the car to even me out and also let him drive without me in the car.

Jomo posted:

Steering rack bushes? Could be coincidence that they gave up at the same time but still worth checking. Only thing I can think of. Also congrats on buying the best possible British golf cart there is.

Thanks! I had not gone down that path but it's looking more and more like I'll need to remove the front clam and check everything. That really chaps my rear end. The front clam is the one thing I never tackled on my Elise and it's full of "while you're in there" stuff like the oil line recall, radiator, A/C relay, fluids, SS brake lines and flush... yikes.

charliemonster42
Sep 14, 2005


Pr0kjayhawk posted:

Looking at the alignment numbers again, is the front toe a problem? The left is within range and the right is way out of spec - negative toe reduces straight line stability, yes?

Great suggestion on the tire direction. Unfortunately they were installed correctly. Air pressure was the first thing I checked - they were high from the tire shop but not that high. I was expecting/hoping they were 45 psi but they were only 5-6 psi high. Tried an older gauge and it showed lower by two psi, I definitely trust my main one as it's a higher quality unit. I also checked wheel lug torque.

I'll suggest the idea of swapping wheels... it's a lot to ask of someone but definitely a good troubleshooting idea.

I’d assumed those were your before numbers. If you look at the second image, they seem to match the before column fairly closely. If those are in fact the as-left numbers, then yeah, it’s no wonder it drives weird. Putting weight in the drivers seat is definitely a thing for alignments, and probably absolutely necessary for an Elise given that even a skinny guy is 15% of the cars curb weight. See what the guys on lotustalk say.


Pr0kjayhawk posted:

Thanks! I had not gone down that path but it's looking more and more like I'll need to remove the front clam and check everything. That really chaps my rear end. The front clam is the one thing I never tackled on my Elise and it's full of "while you're in there" stuff like the oil line recall, radiator, A/C relay, fluids, SS brake lines and flush... yikes.

On second thought; sounds like the car is more trouble than it’s worth. Best thing to do would be to sell it to me to save you from future heartache

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:

charliemonster42 posted:

I’d assumed those were your before numbers. If you look at the second image, they seem to match the before column fairly closely. If those are in fact the as-left numbers, then yeah, it’s no wonder it drives weird. Putting weight in the drivers seat is definitely a thing for alignments, and probably absolutely necessary for an Elise given that even a skinny guy is 15% of the cars curb weight. See what the guys on lotustalk say.

You’re right, the after numbers are good. drat. I really hate the idea of taking the front clam off looking for *things*. That’s one thing I managed to avoid doing on my Elise.

I’ll ask the nerds on LT about the weight. I’m inclined to think it’s not a huge deal since this guy has done a lot of Elises/Exiges in the past but we’ll see.

quote:

On second thought; sounds like the car is more trouble than it’s worth. Best thing to do would be to sell it to me to save you from future heartache

Everybody has a price...

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




I don't think most shops ballast when aligning unless you ask or are that rear end in a top hat guy in a miata that autocrosses and insist on sitting in the car while they do it. Every shop has that guy :v:. On a light car like that it might make a slight difference but I don't think it'll cause the problems you're having.

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Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:
Outside of the front end issue that I’ll probably be chasing down forever, I’m working on a list of things to do while avoiding any big-dollar upgrades.

I kept the soft top from my Elise so I got a “kit” to install it on the Exige. It’s really just two grommets that will be installed in the rear upper interior fiberglass to allow the two composite soft top rods/braces to be installed. Looking forward to having a convertible again. I went out a couple weeks ago with the hard top off and it was a blast. Also got a wall mount kit for the garage to store the hard top when I'm not using it.



I ordered fluids for engine, transmission, and brake. The engine oil is at least 2 years old and transmission and brake are probably 8-10 years old.

The front splitter has chips and chunks taken out. I’m not quite ready to replace it because I’m cheap so I’ll take a crack at filling it in and repainting.

The shift mechanism needs some help - reinforcement, new cables, and stiffened engine/transaxle mounts. I thought my old Elise was stock but it most certainly was not - it was miles better than this car.

Down the road I’d like to do a lightweight battery and Penske shocks and springs but that’s a ways off.

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