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Barudak posted:I mean, there is an issue here of they can stick with it for "strategic reasons" for a a year or two, but investing and installing new upgraded hardware has a very real cost. If they arent recouping the money needed to do that by the time upgrades are needed* this will get sunset. Ya haha. It can't even outdo current consoles. Good luck next year when the next generation starts.
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Nov 23, 2019 11:19
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Nov 23, 2019 12:01
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Plus isn’t there over a billion people worldwide currently playing games, from pc grognards to concole players to casual mobile people, with the last group being the biggest? My mom never played “video games” until she got an iPad but now she plays crossword games and brain trainer type stuff. Madden players seem to have no difficulty acquiring consoles (and lol if you think they’d put up with even occasional lag spikes). I think MS has the best strategy right now by not going all in in any one delivery method and letting the individual pick and choose. All-streaming is needlessly restrictive. Like that sun Microsystems twitter thread stated, it’s the answer to a question no consumer is asking. Scott Forstall fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 23, 2019 13:08
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stadia is for hardcore games who want 4k 60 FPS on games you otherwise need a $2000 pc for. It’s for gamers a who want to play rdr2 uncompromisingly at 4k 60 fps, unlike a ps4. Its for the gamers
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Nov 23, 2019 13:47
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:My Pixel 2 can do this? I can play a game and watch youtube at the same time. All Android phones for the past few years can do this, it's core functionality of the OS.
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Nov 23, 2019 13:55
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American McGay posted:This is where you're wrong. 5g will never be especially viable, by virtue of the short range the wavelengths it uses forces.
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Nov 23, 2019 13:56
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pixaal posted:AOL used to do the same thing back in the dial up days. I don't see any problem with this at all. You see if someone calls you, it is probably important so being forced to stop playing a silly game and answer your phone like an adult is a good thing. The sheer number of spam and scam calls these days have made phones basically unusable, so this isn’t true anymore.
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Nov 23, 2019 13:57
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StratGoatCom posted:5g will never be especially viable, by virtue of the short range the wavelengths it uses forces. 5G works on existing spectrum as well, which leads to a more efficient use of about ~10%. Unfortunately, that's just a drop in the bucket, as current LTE networks tend to be heavily overloaded - especially in areas, where landlines/cable are bad. 5G at higher frequencies is more of a thing for cities, and even there, the inability to really penetrate walls and windows will mean a pretty sizable damper. One good thing 5G modems will bring is more phones with a better "baseline" - so, supporting things like Carrier Aggregation that allow for a more efficient use of spectrum even with LTE.
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Nov 23, 2019 14:00
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pixaal posted:AOL used to do the same thing back in the dial up days. I don't see any problem with this at all. You see if someone calls you, it is probably important so being forced to stop playing a silly game and answer your phone like an adult is a good thing. Ok boomer
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Nov 23, 2019 14:35
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American McGay posted:This is where you're wrong. The thing is as phones get stronger wouldn't it be more economically feasible to just make a cross platform version of the game that hooks to your phone? Some of the most revenue generating games on the PC market are games that also have a phone version
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Nov 23, 2019 14:38
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One thing I can't get over and just cannot believe after thinking about it is the obvious lie that Stadia doesn't live in Google Data Centers, but instead at carrier operated edge points. That's literally impossible. This isn't a few racks containing static content like The Office and Stranger Things to cut down on the massive bandwidth bills and help keep most traffic to the local loop. Stadia running in the "edge" nodes would mean google is fully colocating Stadia servers with full Vega GPU, because outside of the loading screens not a single second of a video game is static content that can be cached. It's all live processing based on inputs. For the servers to be on the edge would require google to have physically shipped servers to at least dozens of network nodes owned by completely separate companies, losing all economics of scale, and also losing the primary selling point of stadia: the ability to throw more/ludicrous (lol) power at some games due to their massive infrastructure. I just can't believe that claim, id need to see some really firm proof and explanations if that's what's truly going on. It would almost explain why the graphics suck, because every edge node only has a few servers with limited GPU power. It's not distributed computing, it's computing - distributed. Edit: it would also explain why two Stadia players could still have awful ping to each other. bus hustler fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 23, 2019 14:48
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ethanol posted:stadia is for hardcore games who want 4k 60 FPS on games you otherwise need a $2000 pc for. It’s for gamers a who want to play rdr2 uncompromisingly at 4k 60 fps, unlike a ps4. Its for the gamers while stadia streams rdr2 at 4k/60, it does not render rdr2 at 4k/60. this is their primary misdirection. it looks like poo poo on stadia, actually.
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Nov 23, 2019 14:48
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Scott Forstall posted:while stadia streams rdr2 at 4k/60, it does not render rdr2 at 4k/60. this is their primary misdirection. it looks like poo poo on stadia, actually. maybe you're not subbed for the premium version??
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Nov 23, 2019 14:59
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ethanol posted:maybe you're not subbed for the premium version?? quote:As we’ve reported, the “4K” version of Destiny 2 you get with Stadia Pro is actually 1080p upscaled, while the Pro stream of Red Dead Redemption 2 is native 1440p at 30fps. quote:If you want to absolute best-looking version of Red Dead Redemption 2, it definitely seems like Stadia is not the way to go. https://wccftech.com/red-dead-redem...%20on%20Stadia.
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Nov 23, 2019 15:08
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they prob aren’t close enough to the servers
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Nov 23, 2019 15:15
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Does Stadia have the obligatory Downfall subtitle yet?
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Nov 23, 2019 15:21
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I could see them eventually putting all the games your moms want to play like goddamn sudoku and crossword puzzles and other simple games where lag doesn't matter on the service. When their hardcore crowd of
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Nov 23, 2019 15:30
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you can play those games in a browser or on a graphing calculator anyway though so what would be the point
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Nov 23, 2019 15:43
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The same reason why Stadia exists in the first place, to make money off of dummies who don't know better? 
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Nov 23, 2019 15:46
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A dummy who doesn't know better would find about 10 billion free browser based games before the first stadia link if they suddenly got a hankering to play sudoku on not-paper.
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Nov 23, 2019 15:55
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explosivo posted:I could see them eventually putting all the games your moms want to play like goddamn sudoku and crossword puzzles and other simple games where lag doesn't matter on the service. When their hardcore crowd of But these games are small enough that downloading them isn't a problem, whereas having a video stream would only add complications that don't need to be added. It's literally taking a solved problem, and then saying "Hey, why don't we do much more inefficiently, and while we're at it, also much more expensively." Here's the thing - game downloads work. They just need to be made better. Take Outer Worlds. When I first start the game, all I really need is the data for the intro and Edgewater. I don't need anything past that opening world. Now, I don't know how the partial download worked for that game, but there are a lot of PS4 games where you download enough to start playing the game, and you barely get any games. Like Shadows of Mordor - I started downloading it, got enough to start the game, and was able to get through the tutorial, which took about 5 minutes, and then the game was like "Sorry, you need to wait for the download to complete!" That's the ticket. Frankly, I'm waiting for the day when Google upgrades their hardware, and suddenly a bunch of games you purchased don't work anymore due to incompatibility. Yup! Streaming is the future! Take all the control out of your hands and put it into the hands of Google!
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Nov 23, 2019 15:57
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Wheany posted:A dummy who doesn't know better would find about 10 billion free browser based games before the first stadia link if they suddenly got a hankering to play sudoku on not-paper. You might laugh but this is the company that put garbage code in YouTube just to nullify battery life advantages in competing browsers. Why not take a page out of iOS and make Android punish xCloud while giving Stadia code access to restricted APIs? If Google actually leveraged their various monopolies on web content, phone OS and browsing behind this they could make Stadia succeed whether the market wanted it or not.
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Nov 23, 2019 16:05
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Stadia's works well enough, never planned on getting a PS or Xbox, so playing the free games that my PC hasn't been able to run has been fun. Mostly just game on Switch If I had to guess the demo that would conventionally pick this up, it would be normies who don't game much, but want to have a Netflix-like way of firing up a game when friends are over. Like having a living room with a couple of Stadia controllers in front of a Chromecast would be ideal Of course it might never reach those consumers if it's caught in Google-tech nerd territory as many Google products tend to end up. It needs to be free and they need to be pushing Stadia controllers out like they're Google Homes if they have any shot of penetrating a market I had no problems setting up, but it did seem a little complicated syncing the controller up to Chromecast—needs to be streamlined. Probably won't buy any of these full-priced games yet, but games like Red Dead 2 and FFXV are pretty attractive to me. GTA V would be awesome. They had the balls to put Thumper up which requires a stable, low-lag environment to play well in (rhythm based) so they must be pretty confident in how these games feel to the average consumer I think Stadia would woo any non-gamer who hasn't been following the news Spellman fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 23, 2019 16:37
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Spellman posted:If I had to guess the demo that would conventionally pick this up, it would be normies who don't game much, but want to have a Netflix-like way of firing up a game when friends are over. Like having a living room with a couple of Stadia controllers in front of a Chromecast would be ideal That would be cool. Like if the controllers, games, and service (lol) were so cheap that everyone had one (and a Special Chromecast), and you just needed to carry a controller in your trunk or something to be able to jump in at anyone's place. The ultimate party game console. Assuming there were party games. I guess that's part of the original intent, assuming they had a game plan, which they don't. Unfortunately this requires solving basically all of the near infinite issues which will also never happen. And so the Switch still remains king. Looking forward to our local Google rep asking me to list the issues, then never addressing them. 
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Nov 23, 2019 16:49
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The problem with going for people who don't follow gaming is that they need the hardware to play this - you're going to need a streaming device, and you're going to need controllers. Now the streaming device is not a huge deal - plenty of people have a Chromecast, and I'm assuming the world of smart TVs is on Google's plans for Stadia. But still, you need the controllers, and that's a lot of upfront cost. The other problem is that you're targeting people who play games but don't play games. They probably just want Mario Kart 64 or Smash Bros. They're not going to buy enough to be a market to build your infrastructure on. All of that is moot though since the service has reliability issues. It's pretty common to hear people say that the service shits the bed, and that you might get a good experience with no hitches, or you might get an unplayable experience. Imagine going over to your friend's house to try out the new game and have a crappy, unstable experience. The best case for this is something like Jackbox - which is a game that people who don't play videogames play, doesn't require pinpoint accuracy, and can work remotely pretty well. But that's one game.
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Nov 23, 2019 17:17
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Plenty of people that own a laptop. Stadia works with mouse & keyboard as well.
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Nov 23, 2019 17:31
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Cemetry Gator posted:The problem with going for people who don't follow gaming is that they need the hardware to play this - you're going to need a streaming device, and you're going to need controllers. and those people would likely try to play this over a lovely congested wifi, making it much worse
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Nov 23, 2019 17:48
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Cemetry Gator posted:The problem with going for people who don't follow gaming is that they need the hardware to play this - you're going to need a streaming device, and you're going to need controllers. An idealized Stadia in my opinion would be: you hardly even know it's called Stadia. You're just playing GTAV on a TV, computer or refrigerator without the need for a dedicated console. There's a cheaper controller that they bundle with Chromecasts/put next to them, and you might pick it up and use it as a remote or whatever else it can do. Maybe you can just buy games at retail and they'll give you the controller for 'free' with the purchase. "Stadia" should be invisible And it kinda does feel this way when you're launching games from PC. No overt Stadia branding past the intro logo. Just a big play button over the last game you played and huge tiles for your other games BONESAWWWWWW posted:Unfortunately this requires solving basically all of the near infinite issues which will also never happen. And so the Switch still remains king. Looking forward to our local Google rep asking me to list the issues, then never addressing them. I've brought the Switch to many houseparties, it's fantastically easy to hook up, especially if they've already got an HDMI cable hanging out of their TV for their laptop or whatever. It's trusty!
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Nov 23, 2019 17:51
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Spellman posted:If I had to guess the demo that would conventionally pick this up, it would be normies who don't game much, but want to have a Netflix-like way of firing up a game when friends are over. Like having a living room with a couple of Stadia controllers in front of a Chromecast would be ideal are any stadia games even couch multiplayer? edit: samsho and mk11 lmao imagine pushing buttons to send a signal across the state 4 times to punch somebody sitting next to you edit 2: you and i both hit light punch at the same time on our stadia controllers connected to the wifi. mine connects first because my controller's connection was randomly smoother that frame. ideal gaming conditions. Broken Loose fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 23, 2019 17:58
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charity rereg posted:One thing I can't get over and just cannot believe after thinking about it is the obvious lie that Stadia doesn't live in Google Data Centers, but instead at carrier operated edge points. That is not too difficult to test, in this link this person tested Stadia using a network monitoring tool, and of course the traffic is going to Mountain View, CA. https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/dyx7ff/stadia_network_usage_analysis_with_enterprise/
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Nov 23, 2019 18:24
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The idea that people are gonna play sudoku or board games on Stadia is hilarious. Not even Google is stupid enough for that.
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Nov 23, 2019 18:39
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Has anyone actually claimed it’s running on edge nodes or was it just that one person who can’t read
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Nov 23, 2019 18:41
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mikemil828 posted:That is not too difficult to test, in this link this person tested Stadia using a network monitoring tool, and of course the traffic is going to Mountain View, CA. A simple IP location lookup is not gonna work for google's infrastructure. They do all sorts of complicated poo poo with addresses so that traffic gets directed to the closest location. Every google IP comes up as Mountain View CA because that's where google HQ is. That guy may have "enterprise level gear" but he's definitely not a network engineer.
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Nov 23, 2019 18:59
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ethanol posted:stadia is for hardcore games who want 4k 60 FPS on games you otherwise need a $2000 pc for. It’s for gamers a who want to play rdr2 uncompromisingly at 4k 60 fps, unlike a ps4. Its for the gamers When you think about it that is the really stupid part about the Stadia marketing. Those hardcore gamers are exactly the kind of people who would actually pay those 2k for a gaming rig and also the ones who have the lowest tolerance for any kind of lag, are most critical of graphics quality and won't like paying full price for a game they don't really own and then a sub for 4k on top. The whole marketing is rear end backwards. Target this poo poo at the mobile gamers and your golden.
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Nov 23, 2019 19:14
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Pirate Jet posted:Where? Where. People in this thread keep saying this but I see no evidence whatsoever it's true. Video game consoles continue to get bigger and bigger and outsell their previous generations, and OnLive doesn't look like it's doing so hot. People who play games but aren't nerdy enough to post on message boards and talk about latency in milliseconds can still easily play a game streaming service and instantly tell that it feels and looks like poo poo. There is no way the human race is going to be able to solve the problem of getting a button press halfway across the country and back again in an unnoticeable amount of time; at least not before the glaciers melt and flood our farmlands. Competitive gamers playing fighting games and fast FPS’s will probably never get on board, just like cinephiles and audiophiles who scream about the shortcomings of streaming, but there are people in this thread who have said the technology is viable for them and it’s good enough (even ignoring the google employee). Sure, they’re in ideal geographic locations on better-than-most connections, but the amount of people in those situations are only going to grow, and if the base grows developers will design games around the limitations of the platform, just like they did with mobile. People play Fortnite on spectacularly lovely cellular networks, it seems insane to think an additional 44ms of lag is going to matter to most people. This doesn’t mean Google is going to be the one to figure it out Netflix-style (and btw Netflix streaming was fuckin garbo for a while), but someone will - MS seems like the most likely to me, but who knows. It also doesn’t mean it’s going to replace consoles or PC’s in the next 5 years (which alot of people ITT seem to think is the goal), it’s just another segment. wyoak fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Nov 23, 2019 19:26
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Hopper posted:When you think about it that is the really stupid part about the Stadia marketing. The Switch had it right here, in the already crowded market, they focused on regular people having fun out&about and with each other They probably thought that hardcore gamers would be the enthusiasts who would tell their friends about this great new technology, b/c it is pretty exciting in theory. But they're also anal, vocal, and honestly rightfully irritated when the company makes huge claims that it isn't exactly delivering on Google doesn't get it right with marketing hardware, like ever
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Nov 23, 2019 19:32
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what the gently caress is a nintendo. whatever, they're probably not mit grads so they don't matter. let's do this poo poo and get paid
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wyoak posted:Competitive gamers playing fighting games and fast FPS’s will probably never get on board, just like cinephiles and audiophiles who scream about the shortcomings of streaming 
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