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Ordinary teacher-in-classroom tests were fine when kids were allowed to fail, right? That's not wistful nostalgia speaking?
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Silver Spooner posted:It's almost like teaching practice doesn't reflect what standardized tests examine anymore Did the practice change or did the eqao tests change? The math ones at least look pretty straight forward, like this for grade 6 quote:A bag contains 1 red, 3 blue, 4 yellow, 5 orange and 7 purple marbles. Without looking, Sara chooses one marble from the bag. Why not have standardized math tests so we can see how well kids are doing relative to each other at preparing them for real world marble dilemmas?
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Mar 25, 2019 18:41
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Did the practice change or did the eqao tests change? The math ones at least look pretty straight forward, like this for grade 6 Because everyone needs to pass.
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Mar 25, 2019 18:46
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So is Kenney promising to repeal "no child left behind" as well? Or would that be a step too far for his base
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Mar 25, 2019 19:47
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Ah yes the old "a politician knows what is best for the education system", basically anti-intellectualism at its finest. Kenney is hitting the chud bingo card more and more each day.
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If the CBC truly wants to present both sides, they’re going to have to report on the growing enthusiasm for Albertan separatism outside of Alberta. 
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Mar 25, 2019 19:53
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the following provinces/territories should secede from Canada and become independent states: British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Yukon, Nunavut, Northwest Territories. That is all
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Albertan separation rears its head under every federal Liberal government. The increased polarization of our politics is making it a bit more pronounced this time. I think CBC and whoever else is going to report on it, if it is now part of this campaign, needs to be very careful about how it's framed. Proponents are going to paint a utopian picture of free-flowing oil, endless cash, and limitless prosperity, but if we look just at the clustefuck that is Brexit we can see that secession isn't quite so easy. Alberta may be able to leave Canada, but it can't leave the world. Maybe it's pollyanna, but I would hope that, if the conversation does pick up steam for whatever reason, that we get reasonable analysis of what might actually happen. How realistic is secession from Canada for Alberta? How would the economies of both Alberta and Canada be affected? What are the risks to each? What are the benefits? What if they want back in? HackensackBackpack fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Mar 25, 2019 20:23
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THC posted:the following provinces/territories should secede from Canada and become independent states: British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Yukon, Nunavut, Northwest Territories. That is all I was just looking up the GDP of the provinces when this discussion started.  Alberta as Kuwait, BC as Belgium, and Saskatchewan as Saudi Arabia work too drat well.
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If Alberta secedes I wonder what it would mean for Indigenous 'treaties' with Canada on the land known as Alberta now? I suppose that they'd hold no weight being with Alberta totally separate legal entity than Canada.
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Mar 25, 2019 20:25
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Toalpaz posted:If Alberta secedes I wonder what it would mean for Indigenous 'treaties' with Canada on the land known as Alberta now? I suppose that they'd hold no weight being with Alberta totally separate legal entity than Canada. Alberta would probably do evil things like use their state police to force a pipeline through indigenous land, or completely ignore their responsibilities in the treaties and let them live in squalor. oh wait
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Mar 25, 2019 20:28
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Arivia posted:Yay Omar Khadr is going to be free: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/03/25/edmonton-judge-to-rule-on-whether-omar-khadrs-sentence-has-expired.html Oh man, that is royally going to make some Con heads asplode.
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Mar 25, 2019 20:29
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Powershift posted:Alberta would probably do evil things like use their state police to force a pipeline through indigenous land, or completely ignore their responsibilities in the treaties and let them live in squalor. Pretty sure a Kenney led Alberta would go full Bolsonaro on the indigenous populations if given then chance. The guy is a monster. 
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The amount of political goodwill you get in Alberta by going 'har har Quebec har har Transfer payments' is a pretty loving sad state of affairs tbh but I've had to hear variations on that riff my entire life. I dunno what the idiots would even do with the extra cash cause inevitably the people that whine the most about transfer payments are the same people who wanna slash the poo poo out of government programs. Ralph Bucks 2? Maybe those other provinces should be pull themselves up by their bootstraps and find a giant horrifically dirty and inefficient natural resource supply underneath their soil that's only profitiable at high market prices.
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Furnaceface posted:Pretty sure a Kenney led Alberta would go full Bolsonaro on the indigenous populations if given then chance. The guy is a monster. It's more likely he'll form government-church parterships, and supply all aid to through through the church, forcing them to convert or starve. You know, the values canada was founded on.
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Mar 25, 2019 20:39
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CRISPYBABY posted:The amount of political goodwill you get in Alberta by going 'har har Quebec har har Transfer payments' is a pretty loving sad state of affairs tbh but I've had to hear variations on that riff my entire life. I correct everybody who brings up transfer payments in conversation. 1 time out of ten it ends with "oh, that's reasonable". the other 9 times it seems their brain resets completely and they start back with their original "we shouldn't be paying for all quebec's free poo poo"
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Mar 25, 2019 20:41
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Powershift posted:Alberta would probably do evil things like use their state police to force a pipeline through indigenous land, or completely ignore their responsibilities in the treaties and let them live in squalor. Actually I believe the last dispute between the government of Alberta and the First Nations concerning oil production was when the provincial government cut the production rate a while back and various Nations said "nuh uh, gently caress you, you can't tell us what to do." Banking on them to want to limit pipelines or oil production in general, when they're making money off it, is misguided. But I agree an independent Alberta would probably find many ways to gently caress them over a bunch.
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Mar 25, 2019 20:44
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flakeloaf posted:When is a child not a child? When she's a "sexually mature young woman" who consents to sex with her God drat it, Kenora.
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Mar 25, 2019 20:44
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Toalpaz posted:If Alberta secedes I wonder what it would mean for Indigenous 'treaties' with Canada on the land known as Alberta now? I suppose that they'd hold no weight being with Alberta totally separate legal entity than Canada. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Mar 25, 2019 20:44
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Leofish posted:God drat it, Kenora. Toronto lawyer.
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THC posted:Oh yeah, every Canada/US independence movement gives zero fucks about natives lmao. Never even occurs to them most of the time, and when it does occur to them usually it's because they want to get rid of what few benefits indigenous people have now. Even proponents of the nominally woke-liberal-progressive Cascadia movement will give you blank stares if you ask how first nations fit into it I liked your pre-edit version because nation to nation relationships involved making deals, and any secession actually raises a poo poo ton of questions about the legitimacy of those Canadian/provincial relationships with Indigenous people. The old deals would be out and Alberta would have no real legal justification for it's ownership of the land or ability to sell it to corporations to develop. PT6A posted:Actually I believe the last dispute between the government of Alberta and the First Nations concerning oil production was when the provincial government cut the production rate a while back and various Nations said "nuh uh, gently caress you, you can't tell us what to do." Less about whether Indigenous would be people would be environmental or not and more about Indigenous people taking control over their land and owning the means of production and making billions off of developing it. Which I think would be interesting.
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Mar 25, 2019 21:00
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Do Alberta separatists actually think it would be easier to lay pipe through BC if they weren't part of Canada? I'm guessing its more gut thinking than head thinking involved.
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Mar 25, 2019 21:03
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mashed_penguin posted:Do Alberta separatists actually think it would be easier to lay pipe through BC if they weren't part of Canada? I'm guessing its more gut thinking than head thinking involved. They would just build the pipes to the border and let the oil spill out onto the ground right there.
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Toalpaz posted:Less about whether Indigenous would be people would be environmental or not and more about Indigenous people taking control over their land and owning the means of production and making billions off of developing it. Which I think would be interesting. There's also the question of, in the event of a hypothetical independent Alberta, whether Indigenous people would consider giving up treaty rights as they currently exist in exchange for a greater share of control in the eventual government -- essentially giving up sole control over small areas, in exchange for more influence over the province/country as a whole. Which would also be interesting.
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Alberta trip report: my neighbourhood is part of Edmonton-Glenora, and is left of centre for Alberta. Orange signs are everywhere and UPC signs are few and far between. RE/MAX is actually in second place in the sign primary. Most people I talk to are pretty down on Kenney, and the fact that they keep playing Bigot Jenga with their candidates (i.e. replacing a racist candidate with a misogynist one). That, plus the polls that weren't accurate at all last time gives me a faint glimmer of hope. Of course, I'm cognizant of that old quote: 'How could Nixon win? I don't know a single person that voted for him.'
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mashed_penguin posted:Do Alberta separatists actually think it would be easier to lay pipe through BC if they weren't part of Canada? I'm guessing its more gut thinking than head thinking involved. That is literally an argument that guys like Lawrence Solomen, Jack Mintz have made. I think it's more of a thing that you cynically say to rile up fears of separatism as a bargaining tactic rather than something they actually believe though.
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mashed_penguin posted:Do Alberta separatists actually think it would be easier to lay pipe through BC if they weren't part of Canada? I'm guessing its more gut thinking than head thinking involved. They’re convinced they’d get welcomed into the US because reasons?
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Mar 25, 2019 21:26
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BGrifter posted:They’re convinced they’d get welcomed into the US because reasons? The current government is Republican and that will never change.
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Mar 25, 2019 21:34
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Leofish posted:The current government is Republican and that will never change. All the pipelines from Alberta to the US that were approved and built while Republicans controlled all of congress and the presidency is proof of just how hard Alberta is getting screwed by the rest of Canada.
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Mar 25, 2019 21:38
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But if their whole point of trying to get oil to tidewater to not get hosed by the US market going to the US directly doesn't achieve that. It really is kind of amazing how hard the federal liberals have worked to ram that pipe through BC and yet its still not enough. I'd really love to know what they think Harper would have done differently. Or what Scheer will do.
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Albino Squirrel posted:Alberta trip report: my neighbourhood is part of Edmonton-Glenora, and is left of centre for Alberta. Orange signs are everywhere and UPC signs are few and far between. RE/MAX is actually in second place in the sign primary. In my area of Edmonton, there are lots of NDP signs up and, including at my own house, and very few others. On my street there is one other person with a sign, also NDP. This year, I felt that I really need to show I'm proud of voting for them, at least hoping to help remove some of that only vote conservative mindset. My other thought is I know most of my street probably is voting UCP, but they know it's a bad look to promote that right now. Which you know, you'd think would be the first hint that maybe they are voting for the baddies.
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CRISPYBABY posted:I dunno what the idiots would even do with the extra cash cause inevitably the people that whine the most about transfer payments are the same people who wanna slash the poo poo out of government programs. Ralph Bucks 2? They would buy bigger trucks. mashed_penguin posted:Do Alberta separatists actually think it would be easier to lay pipe through BC if they weren't part of Canada? I'm guessing its more gut thinking than head thinking involved. One of the central elements in Alberta politics is a massive victim complex. Politicians routinely play up how outsiders (BC hippies, Ontario Liberals, lazy Quebecers, those eastern bastards in general, US environmental activists) have got it out for us, and if we didn't have to deal with them we could get things done. It doesn't make any sense, but it doesn't have to, because the alternative is that our own choices are the problem. Just look at what happened to Jim Prentice when he suggested that. That's why you have Kenney proposing a referendum on equalization, despite the fact that he helped write the current policy in the first place, and no matter the outcome it could never have any effect. The point is just to yell that everyone else is being unfair to Alberta. e: Demon_Corsair posted:It's not even that. They think that by threatening to leave like Quebec does, they can start to get all the sweet perks they think Quebec gets instead of having to pay equalization payments. Also this. People have no understanding of what equalization is or how it works, they just think Ottawa is giving our money to Quebec, who then blocks our pipelines. Which has no grounding in reality, but politicians keep saying it, and they keep believing it. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Albino Squirrel posted:Alberta trip report: my neighbourhood is part of Edmonton-Glenora, and is left of centre for Alberta. Orange signs are everywhere and UPC signs are few and far between. RE/MAX is actually in second place in the sign primary. I doubt Edmonton is going to flip. Edmonton has been punished under the banksters and prairie boys era since we booted Don Getty out of his riding. but I do know win or lose, we have to fight, end of story. Never understood Alberta leaving. Unless we're digging the mother of all holes under the earth, it's plain old not going to happen. What we can do is point out other region's hypocrisy when they make us the bad guys. :p shades of eternity fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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I'm glad to hear that separatism is growing in Alberta because I hope that means the Independence party gets more votes and splits the conservatives. I've actually been hearing about that party for nearly a year now but it's definitely been a rural thing only though.
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I spent the day in downtown Toronto. Toronto is a garbage city aside from some nice old empire architecture from when we built nice buildings. Basically everything I hate about Vancouver dialed to the max, with 100% less sunlight hitting the streets. Downtown Camera is great tho, ate a whole paycheque. An overtime wind construction paycheque. Goddamn.  Tl;dr: Toronto is trash.
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My favourite thing about Alberta separatism is that the same chuds calling for it were the first to scream 'TREASON! ' every time Quebec held a referendum.
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THC posted:the following provinces/territories should secede from Canada and become independent states: British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Yukon, Nunavut, Northwest Territories. That is all agreed as they make their own coalition. What the hell is a dominion anyways? :p
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Rime posted:I spent the day in downtown Toronto. as someone who lives in toronto 
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Albino Squirrel posted:My favourite thing about Alberta separatism is that the same chuds calling for it were the first to scream 'TREASON! ' every time Quebec held a referendum. But of course, they're from Quebec, they're not realTM Canadians (I grew up having to hear that poo poo spewed all over Alberta)
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