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Bonaventure posted:also not a roadtrip lol After all the skill points I earned from driving everywhere, I should think a good deal of the first half is composed of roadtrips, and perhaps even chocobotrips.
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Lucas Archer posted:Like I said, it's a love it/hate it type of game. By all rights I should not enjoy my time as much as I do when I play, but it has a weird charm that won me over. You might hate it and that would be perfectly reasonable because in a lot of respects, it is a Bad Game. This is where I land. If it's cheap, it's at least worth a look to see where you fall; I enjoyed driving across the countryside with the chocobros exploring dungeons. Also I'm probably in the minority but I actually enjoy the combat? Oh, except for elemental magic; it has friendly fire and the ally AI is dumb as rocks, so they WILL kill everyone by casting an AOE blizzard right at your feet. Just never use it.
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Oct 30, 2020 18:07
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FFXV had a lot of different battle themes, dependent on location and other circumstances (imperial encounters, hunts, etc.) and all of them were phenomenal. I wish the series did more of that.
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Oct 30, 2020 18:08
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FFXV has some of the best inter-party dynamics in the entire series, one of the best villains, and a plot that might be shot completely full of holes but at least contains a solid ending it was a messy disaster of a video game that still turned out far better than it should have
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Oct 30, 2020 18:10
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JagerNinja posted:This is where I land. If it's cheap, it's at least worth a look to see where you fall; I enjoyed driving across the countryside with the chocobros exploring dungeons. The combat is passable. That is, unless you're fighting wasps or other flying enemies. Then it becomes absolute bullshit. Just hot garbage. gently caress flying enemies in FFXV.
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Oct 30, 2020 18:14
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JagerNinja posted:Also I'm probably in the minority but I actually enjoy the combat? Oh, except for elemental magic; it has friendly fire and the ally AI is dumb as rocks, so they WILL kill everyone by casting an AOE blizzard right at your feet. Just never use it. There's an accessory early on that prevents this kind of friendly fire.
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Oct 30, 2020 18:15
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ROFL Octopus posted:FFXV had a lot of different battle themes, dependent on location and other circumstances (imperial encounters, hunts, etc.) and all of them were phenomenal. I wish the series did more of that. FF7R's dynamic shifting between exploration music and into location-specific battle themes is magic
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Oct 30, 2020 18:16
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Oxxidation posted:FFXV has some of the best inter-party dynamics in the entire series, one of the best villains, and a plot that might be shot completely full of holes but at least contains a solid ending agreed on most of this, my only disagree is that Ardyn is a character with a really good backstory but in the game proper he just occasionally appears, walks around saying cryptic nonsense to you and then leaves I didn't even realize he was supposed to be the main antagonist until the last hour of the game
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Oct 30, 2020 18:21
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FFXV is a very weak entry due to poor project management and it's kind of a shame because there's some good stuff in it, but nothing in it is really worth playing through it for
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Oct 30, 2020 18:25
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I never actually got too far into XV so I only got to the part where I was like, how do none of these chucklefucks know what the Chancellor of the enemy empire looks like
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Oct 30, 2020 18:25
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Character-wise Ardyn is Standard, Emet-Selch is Deluxe.
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Oct 30, 2020 18:27
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Oxxidation posted:FFXV has some of the best inter-party dynamics in the entire series, one of the best villains, and a plot that might be shot completely full of holes but at least contains a solid ending FFXV occupies the same space as Dragon's Dogma; a piece of work that exemplifies the phrase "greater than the sum of its parts."
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Oxxidation posted:FFXV has some of the best inter-party dynamics in the entire series, one of the best villains, and a plot that might be shot completely full of holes but at least contains a solid ending OK, this sounds alright. I think I'll give FFXV Royal cheap edition a try. So here's a final question so that I keep my expectations in check. I think FFXIII was irredeemable garbage (and thus didn't bother with the sequels), what with between the poo poo character writing, nonsensical world, and its constant violation of "show don't tell" rule of basic story writing. These two games obviously don't compare directly since one is a corridor simulator and the other is sort of an open world affair, and the fact XV seems to have actual inter-party dynamics and a solid ending already put it above what I experienced in XIII ten years ago. Still, would you say FFXV in spite of its problems is a better (preferably, much better) experience than XIII?
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Oct 30, 2020 18:31
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Appropriate since FF16 is also Dragon's Dogma 2
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Saoshyant posted:OK, this sounds alright. I think I'll give FFXV Royal cheap edition a try. The only way I can think to answer this is I couldn't get past the first 5 hours of FFXIII. As I've already mentioned, I've beaten FFXV three times now and am currently doing a NG+ for my fourth run through.
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Saoshyant posted:OK, this sounds alright. I think I'll give FFXV Royal cheap edition a try. imo the only thing 13 has on 15 is the combat both of them were hail-mary attempts at pushing out a finished game after a disastrous dev cycle left them with nothing but floor scraps after years of work, but 15 doesn't drop you on rails (literally on rails, things start to go bad when you board a train) until about 2/3's of the way through, while 13 shuttled you along for the entire length. and no, pulse doesn't count! it was just a wider, fancier hallway in the end!
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Space Fish posted:There's an accessory early on that prevents this kind of friendly fire. That was either added in Royal or was a pre-order bonus, iirc. So if you played the original version you dealt with friendly fire from start to finish.
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it's going to reflect extremely poorly on FFXIII and XV when XVI comes out and is a significantly better game than either with a fraction of the development time
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Bleck posted:it's going to reflect extremely poorly on FFXIII and XV when XVI comes out and is a significantly better game than either with a fraction of the development time It should, most of the other FF games are both better and had shorter dev times.
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Remember when an FF game came out every 18-24 months
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yeah it's wild to think that final fantasy One through Six all came out in the amount of time it took to make just FFXV
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Let's be fair, FF15 as we know it only took the amount of time between FF7 and FF9 or maybe 10.
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Bleck posted:it's going to reflect extremely poorly on FFXIII and XV when XVI comes out and is a significantly better game than either with a fraction of the development time It already reflects poorly that the MMO unit, Creative Business Unit 3 (obligatory lol at Square for giving their internal studios the most overtly bland, corporate names) is making XVI when main, numbered, single-player titles are usually the purview of Creative Business Unit 1 (along with KH and all their other flagship prestige projects). Square realized that all of their rock star staff forgot how to make games and had to call up the B-Team that just quietly makes good content and releases it on time.
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Oct 30, 2020 19:11
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FFXV devs spent 9 years making nice looking rocks, and 3 months making a video game, story, and characters.
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I think you meant ffxiv 1.0 there
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Remember when SE made games between FF releases just so they could have something to do?
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Twibbit posted:I think you meant ffxiv 1.0 there Characters 1000 polygons Barrels 1000 polygons Someone who is good at games please help. my mmo is dying
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JagerNinja posted:the B-Team that just quietly makes good content and releases it on time. so, the rockstar staff? Just because they have a boring name that has "3" in it instead of "1" doesn't mean it's the B-team, FFXIV is probably one of the biggest moneymakers for SE. $12.99/month over the 7-8 years since 2.0 was released. It's also pretty widely accepted to be some of the best Final Fantasy we've gotten in years, and not just the recent expansion - we've had several years of consistently amazing content. I don't think SE would put their B-team on a mainline FF game, they just haven't renamed Yoshida's group to "Superstar Cash Factory Team" yet.
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Sakaguchi commuting corporate seppuku because of the fallout from Spirits Within was a disaster for SE. I honestly think the 15 years of mismanaged fail games never would have happened if they hadn't lost him, Yoshi P looks to be the first time theyve actually had a competent producer on the series who can make things happen since then.
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Gonna say it was still funny to hear dramatic orchestral music underscoring the big "CREATIVE BUSINESS UNIT 3" card in the trailer
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Gonna say it was still funny to hear dramatic orchestral music underscoring the big "CREATIVE BUSINESS UNIT 3" card in the trailer it's just such a hilarious uncreative name for a team making art
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Bleck posted:it's just such a hilarious uncreative name for a team making art Um, excuse me, "Creative" is right there in the name.
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it’s like a futurama joke: script by writing unit 8.0
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It only seems generic in English. In Japanese it reads as Creative Business Unit 6.
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absolute business unit
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Creative Business Unit 4 is just Yoshi-P’s genitalia.
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HD DAD posted:Creative Business Unit 4 is just Yoshi-P’s genitalia. Yoshi-P's genitals made the Trials of Mana remake???
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Augus posted:Yoshi-P's genitals made the Trials of Mana remake??? I mean it was Piss.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyQ7IEL6Ob8 The main plot will not make anybody sit back and o "that was fascinating and coherent." But just wandering around with the four Bros is immeasurably enjoyable and heartwarming. It helps prop up the lackluster main plot because the two are intimately connected, especially later on, but the appeal is still 90% just catching fish or taking pics or cooking with your bros. It's a game you feel and experience more than you think about. FFXV is a perfectly fine mid tier FF with some things you won't get in any other entry.
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Bleck posted:it's going to reflect extremely poorly on FFXIII and XV when XVI comes out and is a significantly better game than either with a fraction of the development time FF16 has been in development for like 4 years already, while the entire actual development of FF15 that came out was like 3
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