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I just started FF3, mainly because of all the references to it in FF14 and especially learning that the Crystal Tower theme is a direct arrangement from it (it's great) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbUJQO9CZhA I am playing the 3D remake. I am enjoying the start to it so far, I kind of dig that the first dungeon is already about finding tricks to the system, and job systems are cool. Anything I should know before getting too far in?
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Oh wow, I wasn't expecting all this FF3 hate (or more specifically FF3 remake hate). As I mentioned, I'm playing it mainly because it's one of the FFs I've had zero contact with (the other being 2) and the FF14 designers have basically said it's their favorite FF and have included so many things from it, so I wanted to check it out for myself. I don't know, I'm enjoying myself well enough -- I just got the Enterprise. I probably would enjoy the original chiptunes compared to the synth stuff from what I've heard, but I don't think I saw an audio option for that. I know I wouldn't exactly be missing Shakespeare, so a fan translation would probably work, but is there even an official translation of the original Famicom version
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May 11, 2020 17:21
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Harrow posted:What struck me the last time I played FFVIII was how much time Squall spends being pushed into roles that grown ups think he has potential for, how much he loving hates it, and also how much he hates that they're kinda right. I don't remember the exact scene but I think during one of the big Garden fights it struck me how Squall actually is kind of a good leader and surprisingly charismatic and inspirational when he lets his guard down. That's another one of those things that makes me want to go back and replay FFVIII and just kinda go along for the wild ride at the end once the story stops making sense.   I just watched a full playthrough of FF8 and even though the streamer was riffing on a bunch of the story stuff, it still rekindled fond memories from playing the original. All the characters have these grace notes that I would trust a 7-style Remake would be able to flesh them out. Like when the Forest Owls have their stupid second plan Selphie is the one to go, "uh we should probably check our contract". Also https://twitter.com/MOOMANiBE/status/1259680952571162624 morallyobjected posted:
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May 11, 2020 18:43
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The GF memory loss stuff would need a complete overhaul in any revisiting of the story, I agree, it's the only part that was a complete clunker to me on this revisit. They state that Balamb Garden is the only one that uses GF, which is why it's surprising to find Cerberus at G-Garden and why Selphie found the equivalent of woods porn-but-GF so that she could also have memory loss I do like the theory that the GF she found was Doomtrain which syncs with her love of trains
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May 11, 2020 19:32
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cheetah7071 posted:I ended up coming to peace with the fact that the only fitting ending for FF8 is an ending where they clearly made the FMV while the story was still in flux and had elements they later went on to remove, because that kind of nonsense is the essence of FF8 This tidbit seemed to illuminate a lot of FF8 Disc 3/4 for me https://twitter.com/tellahtruth/status/1259177784292892672 Also while I am on FF8 twitter, this remains the perfect summation of the game for me https://twitter.com/christinelove/status/1030503682637357056
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May 11, 2020 20:04
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For me the greatest flaw of FF8 is that they are trying even more complex storytelling than FF7 but hitting the limits of the JRPG progression framework that had been baked into previous games. FF7 pulled through because it still wasn't too far removed from the SNES days -- like going through the 7OG story now, the characterization is pretty much nonexistent aside from their designated story scenes. That deeper characterization is the biggest positive change in 7 Remake for me, and something that 8 could totally benefit from. The characters in 8 are treated like they should be more well-developed than they are, because the cinematic setpieces and game progression means you go from graduation to first mission to battle of the gardens to you're in space to Time Kompression and basically the characters have to be warped around that. Like, the GF memory loss feels like something they put in because they weren't confident enough to have a cast of characters that already had complex relationships that predated the story, which is something that worked in old-school RPGs but is pretty alienating to more nuanced dramatic narrative
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May 11, 2020 20:27
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cheetah7071 posted:Instead of finishing FF7R, just give the midgar treatment to the best four hours of each FF A full-fledged Triple Triad Card Club saga... 
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May 11, 2020 20:32
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Lord Lambeth posted:I find every game from FFVI to FFX pretty interesting just because you can see the growth in real time graphics pretty well. It really blew my mind at the time to see the difference between the still mostly-chibi designs in 7 and then like two years later in 8 they're all real people
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May 11, 2020 20:48
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Also how everyone in the game treats Dr. Ondine as "oh he's kooky eccentric  " when his main thing is experimenting on children and creating the means to achieve Time Kompression, he's just as bad as Hojo and that was extremely odd
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May 11, 2020 22:32
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The heck, everyone is just living on a floating continent and I'm only learning about this now
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May 12, 2020 05:33
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I will probably revisit FF9 eventually. I got obsessed with the jump rope minigame and I believe my inability to max it out cemented my inability to go further
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May 12, 2020 18:55
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Papercut posted:This seemed to be a theme in the 3d ffs. No I don't need this chocobo race or whatever twitch timing action crammed into your poorly controlling rpg, thanks. Weren't there postmortem discussions that basically all the minigames were them taking basically every prototype/test thing they had done while learning to work with the new system and somehow cramming it into the game to pad out the playtime to the expected length
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May 12, 2020 20:06
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I am serious that if they're gonna do a full Remake treatment for 8, just leave the main plot aside and do a 20-hour Card Club Saga. NPCs talking about the war in the background. Edea's monologue about being possessed cut off as Squall yells "It's time to D-d-d-duel!" Endgame is in Ragnarok shielded from Time Kompression, all of which remain unexplained. Quistis Card King
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May 13, 2020 01:10
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She also organizes the Garden Festival
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May 13, 2020 01:23
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I do think there are ways in 8 plays it pretty flippant with child soldier mercenaries, but at the same time it's also pretty much a post-apocalyptic setting where everywhere outside the major cities are blasted wastelands infested with monsters, so it's probably also reflecting a differing set of cultural norms
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May 13, 2020 01:41
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Yeah basically I guess it would be more accurate to say it's a post-post-apocalyptic scenario, like Splatoon. Everyone just basically lives with the new normal that if you walk five minutes from the city center you might run into a giant flying stingray that electrocutes you to death
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May 13, 2020 02:01
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I would play a rhythm game that's entirely tracks from FF14
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Jun 16, 2020 23:08
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Draga posted:I want rhythm game versions of Return to Oblivion and The Twinning now please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YknrH0Ws8Es
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Jun 17, 2020 17:59
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lord help me The pun power here is too strong I think I might try XI on a lark
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Jun 18, 2020 21:07
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Realtalk, one of the biggest reasons I've been a fan of FF my whole life is that it has comparatively less grody sexualization every time compared to most other JRPGs/anime-type games
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Jun 19, 2020 19:51
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Leotards allow freedom of movement, that's why gymnasts, wrestlers, and ballet dancers wear them
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Jun 20, 2020 08:41
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"the greatest cocks of them all -- chocobos"
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Jun 21, 2020 04:37
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Final Fantasy 4... "the after years"...? 
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Jun 21, 2020 20:35
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I thought the Amaurotines were the Terrans from FF9
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Jun 21, 2020 20:41
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Motivation enclosed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKCt8Afk9s
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Jun 27, 2020 06:51
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Jun 28, 2020 20:39
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I never played the FFTA games because I had the same idiotic reaction to them that I did to FF9: "Tactics was a serious game about adults and politics and religion, no way I'm playing this game of little kids doing make believe"  Maybe I should revisit them
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Jul 2, 2020 09:49
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https://twitter.com/bluebirdmask/status/1278333457635201024?s=19 holy poo poo https://twitter.com/bluebirdmask/status/1278342160342024193?s=19
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Jul 4, 2020 00:50
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Aside from Fran those character portraits look far too similar imo
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Jul 5, 2020 23:53
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Also don't get me started with having two characters with names that start with "ba", two names with "ash", two names ending in "an"...
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Jul 6, 2020 00:06
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Last year's expansion has given it its highest lifetime subscriber numbers,with some people considering it the best Final Fantasy game at this point. A character in the Shadowbringers expansion won a "Best FF Villain" poll in Japan, edging over Sephiroth
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Jul 7, 2020 01:46
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Also relevant to recent discussion: https://twitter.com/dreamboum/status/1277537122979905536
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Jul 7, 2020 02:35
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I have a similar experience, in that I've tried to play FF12 at least three times and every time I stop around the "I'm Captain Basch" part
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Jul 8, 2020 00:40
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Khanstant posted:so the opening cinematics of "realm reborn" are just showing me that the "end" of the first version of the game, right? buncha characters from that old story I guess trying to fight off black dragon, guessing that's Bahamut? Some folks were doing a big war at the apocalypse and got roasted like goobers. Then the light energy teams managed to sort of stave off the dragon by making a new world? I honestly had no idea what was happening in any of the cutscenes the references in the dialogue in the first hour. Then by the 50 hour mark I retroactively understood everything that was being built up also it gets recontextualized by another cutscene and it was awesome
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Jul 8, 2020 02:54
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Final Fantasy has trained literal generations of players not to value non-damage attacks against bosses...
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Jul 8, 2020 19:33
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Gripweed posted:Well I did it. I played and beat Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age. Looking back, I was a little harsh on it. It certainly had problems. The characters didn't get the attention they deserved, the story got kind a dumb when they were just running around trying to find or destroy crystals, and nothing anyone says will ever convince me that it's OK for a game to have Sleep, Disable, and Stop as three different status effects with three different cures. That is nonsense. But I had a worse time playing it than I would've if I had gone in with proper expectations. I actually might give it another try. Some day. In the far future. Congratulations, you are now ready to do the Stormblood Ivalice raids. Well, the first two at least
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Jul 9, 2020 01:33
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Have you watched Dad of Light
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Jul 11, 2020 01:28
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The 9 remaster on its own looks great, the neural net mod or whatever is a marginal improvement unless you really need to play it on a 4K screen and will be poring over the backgrounds. The 7 mods that reject the chibi overworld models and try to cram in the battle models seem to miss the point imo, but whatever floats your boat. The 8 "remaster" is very bad with the backgrounds (including non-talking NPCs being baked into the background art and blurred to nonexistence lol) almost to the point that I'm not sure a mod can actually help lol.
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Jul 11, 2020 20:59
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Yeah in any scene with bystander NPCs usually the ones without dialogue are actually background scenery
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Jul 11, 2020 23:58
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Every npc here got the blur filter treatment lol You can't see it in the still image but some of them have an alternate animation frame that they flip to every 2 seconds, this totally passed muster on a CRT and with the player characters also low-res but it did not look great in the remaster 
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