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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

Libs are libbing right now over something.

People are demanding that Mueller get subpoenaed on facebook now lol

subpoena mueller but only ask him about the iraq war, persecution of muslims after 9/11, and the decision not to arrest any bankers after 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTDO-kuOGTQ

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQpN28xa4

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Yasha Levine did a little essay about the mindfuck that many Soviet/Russian immigrants have gone through in the past few years from being the good white immigrants to Russian scum.
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/28/with-russiagate-we-soviet-immigrants-were-finally-forced-to-reckon-with-the-bigotry-of-americas-elite/

quote:

My immigrant community was privileged in that way. And because of that, we never really worried about mass immigration raids. We weren’t punitively targeted by cops just because of the color of our skin. We weren’t seen as a terrorist threat and targeted for infiltration and entrapment by the FBI. We never turned on the TV to see ourselves dehumanized or branded as a threat from within — as enemies of the American way of life. Looking back on all the petty — and not so petty — crime we got into as kids, I’m amazed by how leniently the cops dealt with us.

We occupied a special spot in the immigrant pyramid. And because of it, we had never been in the crosshairs of a good ol’ traditional American xenophobic panic. The anti-Russian hysteria of the early 20th century and the Red Scare of the Cold War was a distant past that few us even were even aware existed. We never knew what it was like to have the country’s media and political class brand people like you a possible threat. In fact, watching other minority and immigrant groups get demonized only reinforced my community’s feeling of superiority. My fellow Soviet immigrants have never been known for their progressive racial politics — well, when you get down to it, quite a few are generic, down-the-line bigots. And so the general sense was, “We’re not like them. We’re different. And anyway, if some ethnic groups are being targeted, there must a good reason for it. America is a nation of laws, after all. People here aren’t hounded for bigoted political reasons like they are in repressive authoritarian countries.”

But this belief in the infallibility of American institutions started taking a big nose dive right around Donald Trump won the election.

For nearly four years now, Soviet and Russian immigrants have watched America’s liberal political elite shift the blame for their country’s domestic political problems away from themselves and onto a fictitious, inscrutable foreign enemy: a xenophobic campaign that put people like us — “the Russians” — at the center of everything that’s gone wrong in America. We’ve watched as this panic grew from a fear of the Russian government to an all-encompassing, irrational racist conspiracy theory that put a cloud over not just Russian nationals or Russian government officials, but anyone from the lands of the former Soviet union.

Immigrants turned on the TV to see top American security officials, politicians, respected journalists, analysts, and pundits tell national viewers that they were right to be afraid of us: Russians are devious, untrustworthy, wired to hate democracy, and genetically driven to lie and cheat. People like us pose a threat. We are a possible fifth column — whether we know it it or not, and that includes Russian pensioners and infants. In the words of Keith Olbermann, we were “Russian scum.”

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

R. Guyovich posted:

making fun of liberal mueller fantasies but also thinking aoc is gonna behead jeff bezos in the town square

new thread title

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Schiff is the perfect example of the opposition to Trump rooted in the belief that he is a bad manager of the US empire

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

If Democrats think of themselves as the default party of power, then elections are always theirs to loose. So they are actively choosing to lose over doing politics.

another issue with the democrats is that they don't actually want quite a few of the groups in their coalition to have more engagement, because it might lead to the end of the party as it stands now

more involvement with and politicization of unions is at least going to lead a desire for social democracy, which the democrat party is still deathly afraid of. god forbid if any of the unions have openly socialist or communist leanings.

reinvigorated Black politics at the local level leads to a risk of a Cooperation Jackson or Black Panther Party springing up, confronting local Democrat power structures and funders

it's safer for the consultants to do their job of losing elections

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Condiv posted:

uglycat is asking if there's a connection between veterans for peace and gru...

is this guy actually an anarchist?

I love to fight fascism by implying a group that had a leading member jumped by cops for standing up to fascists a few month ago is part of a foreign conspiracy.
https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1126257716807262208?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Grevling posted:

If he did have something to do with it, why wouldn't he be blaming the Clintons? If he just ignored the thing it'd only look more suspicious.

I was just thinking it's a similar strategy to the border concentration camps.

Saying "Obama did it first" isn't much different than "The Clinton's wanted him dead" considering they're both true.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Parenti has a chapter in Blackshirt and Reds that isn't completely devoted to Chomsky, but does deconstruct a lot of the arguments he makes.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/TravisAllen02/status/1169652374601965569?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Lambert posted:

He pretty much called for violence against sitting Congresspersons, using foreign policy for personal gain seems almost benign. Trump is terrible in so many ways, but the Democrats never seem to be able to capitalize on anything.

Nancy Pelosi simply recognizes that Hunter Biden is a beautiful, fragile boy who needs protection and that Ilhan Omar is an uppity, race-baiting anti-Semite.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

I think Honduras, Nicaragua, Haiti, Guatemala, etc might have something to say about the alleged incompetence of the CIA

And Chile, the DRC, Indonesia, Iran, etc.

Also a large part of the literary and fine arts world have been influenced by CIA projects.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

These impeachment proceedings are going to be even worse than Russiagate, and when they inevitably go nowhere Democrats are going to get even more insane.

I can't wait for an Azov battalion veteran to testify before Congress and be hailed as a Resistance hero.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Fascist volunteers in Ukraine have already met with US congressmen, so we were already on that trajectory.

yep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjK1yv-1IO8

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Wonder if Trump will get impeached for cutting aid to Palestinians so they would get onboard with the dumb Deal of the Century plan.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

quid pro quo for investigating Hunter Biden: not okay

quid pro quo for making Zelensky do more neoliberalism: :thumbsup:

it's bad because Trump was doing it solely to benefit his presidential campaign, and placing other members of the US ruling class in the crosshairs

doing crimes to benefit the US empire and ruling class is good and expected of presidents

it took me too too long to figure this out

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Nevermind that the coups in Honduras and Brazil were also carried out through the letter of the law & constitution.

i've been thinking if part of the reason the spies have sucked at carrying this out is that they are used to mobilizing reactionary and fascist forces on the ground during these semi-legal "anti-corruption" coups. Ukraine and Brazil were what I was thinking of as examples.

on the other hand, poo poo like the CIA interventions in Iran, Chile, and Venezuela dragged on for years without any big success. Iran and Chile eventually did suffer coups of course.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Hillary Clinton has been possessed by the ghost of James Angleton

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

can't wait for Putin to tweet "lol feels good to be living rent free in Hillary's head"

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


who's gonna break it to them that Stone wants to be friends with Putin

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Looks like Clinton is not the Most Powerful Woman

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

We tortured some folks, and got over it

And everyone who participated or covered it up got promoted

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

From Yovanovitch's opening statement. Please read it, it's bonkers.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/read-ukraine-amb-marie-yovanovitchs-opening-statement-impeachment/story?id=67039338

quote:

My late parents did nothave the good fortune to come of age in a free society. My father fled the Soviets before ultimately finding refuge in the United States. My mother’s family escaped the USSR after the Bolshevik revolution, and she grew up stateless in Nazi Germany, before eventually making her way to the United States.

Were Yovanovitch's parents fascists? Fleeing the USSR isn't damning, but a stopover in Nazi Germany very much fits a pattern seen with other Ukrainian fascist exiles.

quote:

The U.S. is the most powerful country in the history of the world, in large part because of our values. And our values have made possible the network of alliances and partnerships that buttresses our own strength. Ukraine, with an enormous landmass and a large population, has the potential to be a significant commercial and political partner for the U.S., as well as a force-multiplier on the security side.

Listening to her talk up US values at exact same time the State Department is giving cover for a racist, reactionary coup in Bolivia makes it extremely obvious that none of the State Department ghouls are friends of working people.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/PostOpinions/status/1196092960468819969?s=20
https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1196116674140889089?s=20
https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1196119595092004864?s=20
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1193785734160953344?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Washington Post is going after the New York Times reporter who a few years ago covered Ukraine in a way that's now problematic for the current narrative
ttps://twitter.com/PostStyle/status/1196477068952981505?s=20
https://twitter.com/PostStyle/status/1196477068952981505?s=20
https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1195751523348860929?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

incredible that the Democrats are impeaching Trump, "President Crimes," for leaning on a country to investigate a clear case of corruption.

at least we know they'll never investigate the corruption of Trump's adult kids. apparently looking into the corruption of political opponents' children is off limits and an impeachable offense.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Lawman 0 posted:

So the president screaming crimes at his grifter ambassador over an unsecured line in a public place in Kiev doesn't count for reasons?

it's actually been part of the bipartisan US foreign policy to ignore any crimes or fascist poo poo that goes down in Kiev since 2014

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Bad news guys, everyone who thought the Ukrainian government might have wanted to influence the 2016 election actually fell for a Russian psyop.
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1197948801954308099?s=20

Condiv posted:

watching idiots explain why it's totally ok and how trump isn't that bad is gonna be even more magical

in an I will become able to projectile vomit blood in a 20m radius way

i gained this power when Bush 2 got rehabilitated

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

by this logic literally anything the president asks anyone to do in exchange for anything else is quid pro quo provided you can come up with a theoretical argument for how it makes him more electable

to be fair, for the US political class, providing social welfare benefits is seen as buying votes. the state department literally accuses countries like Venezuela of being dictatorships because they've built up their social welfare programs and win elections because of it.

so really taking action any that makes you more electable is suspect.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Isaac Chotiner got another grifter to reveal himself in his own words and it's an MSNBC Russia expert

https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1199042213344370688?s=20
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1199038268156850177?s=20
https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1198989232204857344?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

The Russians told Corbyn that the Tories are putting the NHS up for sale
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1201627349478981633?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1204129519529013248?p=v

this looks really bad so i was curious how the mainstream media is spinning it and uh


looks like the spin theyre taking on this time is that starting the investigation based on the word of christopher steele is totally and completely different than starting it based on the steele dossier and that conflating the two is basically a conspiracy theory

Who has time to dig through all this poo poo anymore to figure out what is actually happening

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1204420150071447554?s=20

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Lambert posted:

So what, there's still value in tying up the president/republicans. It's a successful strategy. Of course, Peolsi couldn't wait to ratify the trade deal regardless, so that just shows Democrats are terrible.

lol the democrats also just approved another massive year of military spending and the Space Force
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1204906231648980993?s=20

the Democrats don't impeach Trump for provable crimes like the concentration camps on the border or genocide in Yemen because they're fine with those policies

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Eroding faith in US diplomats is good though and one of the few positive things Trump has done

I wish less countries trusted the US when half the world went along with saying Juan Guaidó was President of Venezuela

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/thenation/status/1206606693175635975?s=20
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/opinion/trump-impeachment.html

the Democrats did all they could to move the "Resistance" out of the streets and they even demobilized the Women's March, but sure people will go into the streets for impeachment

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/StandUpAmerica/status/1207073799130296320?s=20
they did it, they got hundreds of thousands into the streets

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


the White House is filled with complete idiots and they're still gonna out maneuver the Democrats

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


Impeachment
A Hideo Kojima Game
Slow Pointless Liberalism

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

if impeachment isn't sent on to the Senate, Tulsi's idea of censure laying out a laundry list of Trump's crimes makes more sense

I thought her proposal was dumb initially, but if the Democrats are just going to use impeachment as a censure, they should have just passed a censure

this is all dumb and pointless, but at least that would be a pointless gesture that probably wouldn't backfire as much

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