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User0015 posted:I literally don't remember puck telling subaru he damaged his gate, or that he needed to rest for two months. Well it was Felix who told him that, so yeah you would not remember Puck telling that to Subaru.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 19:50 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 07:05 |
I think User0015 spent a little bit too much time in the whale mist
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 19:52 |
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Also Ram not knowing who Rem was happened episodes later at the Sanctuary.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 19:53 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:I think User0015 spent a little bit too much time in the whale mist
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 20:39 |
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User0015 posted:I honestly forgot any of that even happened. I don't remember what the *point* of that fight was. Was there any point to it at all? The cult had some method of controlling the whale so they were using it to blockade the highway and isolate Emilia while Petelguese did his thing. From the perspective of the witch cultists it was revenge for killing their pet the White Whale.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 20:52 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:I think User0015 spent a little bit too much time in the whale mist Lol I empathise with that feeling a lot of wondering what the hell is going on in the story. I'll remember more details like who that Greed dude was, but I also can't keep some major things straight like "why are we even at the sanctuary to begin with??"
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 21:17 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:I think User0015 spent a little bit too much time in the whale mist
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 21:30 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well it was Felix who told him that, so yeah you would not remember Puck telling that to Subaru. I'm less upset about my obvious serious memory loss than I am at forgetting about Felix being the one to tell Subaru that. But I was right, we knew about it as an audience before that fight. Bifauxnen posted:Lol I empathise with that feeling a lot of wondering what the hell is going on in the story. I'll remember more details like who that Greed dude was, but I also can't keep some major things straight like "why are we even at the sanctuary to begin with??" loving thank you. I am very clear on the events inside the sanctuary (as much as can be expected...), but I'll be damned if I remember why they went there in the first place. Like, what their goal was when travelling to it, and then discovering they are now trapped inside (except subaru obviously). In fact, I think I can pinpoint my complete loss of plot starting with the first meeting with the witch. It was downhill, sure, but I entered free-fall afterwards.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 21:37 |
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I feel like, watching a show week to week, unless you're like 100% hardcore into the show, discussion surrounding it, and scrutinizing every detail like Grouchio you're not going to remember everything and that's okay!
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 21:37 |
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I don't think it's okay.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 22:40 |
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TBH, I can't remember why they ended up in the Sanctuary either. I think Roswaal and/or Frederica suggested it was a good idea for some reason, but didn't mention it keeping half-humans in?
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 22:50 |
They sent the villagers they saved to the sanctuary after stopping their slaughter. After discovering they couldn't leave they went to investigate, but found themselves trapped as well. This was all part of Roswaal's plan to get Emilia trapped there according to his book in order to force Subaru to become dispondant at being unable to save her and accept Echidna's deal, allowing her to escape death. Unless I'm remembering wrong.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 22:56 |
Silver2195 posted:TBH, I can't remember why they ended up in the Sanctuary either. I think Roswaal and/or Frederica suggested it was a good idea for some reason, but didn't mention it keeping half-humans in? Officially it was to get the villagers to safety, but it was actually Roswaal's plan to break Subaru and follow the gospel.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 22:57 |
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This should help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvGlqhxCvLc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwBuPtHtg80
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 22:58 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:They sent the villagers they saved to the sanctuary after stopping their slaughter. After discovering they couldn't leave they went to investigate, but found themselves trapped as well. OK, that makes sense.
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 23:02 |
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Also Roswaal appears to have manipulated the events of season 1
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 23:09 |
MonsterEnvy posted:Also Roswaal appears to have manipulated the events of season 1 He pretty much confessed this to Subaru. It was I, Roswaal!
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# ? Jan 30, 2021 23:16 |
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Lurking Haro posted:It was I, Roswaal! Back when I first started watching this show it was driving me nuts knowing I knew Roswaal's voice, but not being able to place it straight away. His lilting speech patterns here threw me off a bit.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 00:32 |
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Honestly until the mean post right now I did not realize Roswaal was Koyasu
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 00:44 |
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 03:29 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:I feel like, watching a show week to week, unless you're like 100% hardcore into the show, discussion surrounding it, and scrutinizing every detail like Grouchio you're not going to remember everything and that's okay! I'm not saying it's wrong, but I can't fathom enjoying a show like this that's 40% mystery 40% character development and very heavy on continuity, when you can't keep the basics of the casts' goals and motivations straight in your head.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 08:41 |
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drat I didn't think about the implications of Betelgeuse's longevity compared to elves and what it means for Subaru being the inheritor of his power till I chewed on it awhile. Provided he he breaks these death loops, he's going to outlive everyone by a lot, even Emilia but especially Emilia.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 09:54 |
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GloriousDemon posted:drat I didn't think about the implications of Betelgeuse's longevity compared to elves and what it means for Subaru being the inheritor of his power till I chewed on it awhile. I thought the authority was the special powers they got and thus the only thing that transfers? Or does immortality go hand and hand with unseen hand and the others?
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 19:24 |
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I don't think we know anything regarding the source of Geuse's longevity. It could come from the authority, sure, but this world is filled with supernatural blessings, curses, artifacts, latent abilities and spells. For the time being it could come anything. e: man, him perma bricking his gate just to deliver a single uppercut is kinda wonky. It's also 100% something he'd do, tho.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 20:07 |
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Mindblast posted:I don't think we know anything regarding the source of Geuse's longevity. It could come from the authority, sure, but this world is filled with supernatural blessings, curses, artifacts, latent abilities and spells. For the time being it could come anything. Who needs lovely shadow magic when you have unseen hands?
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 21:22 |
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Now for subaru to squat fly like Betelgeuse
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 23:28 |
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One advantage to the WN is that it makes absolute sure you know what's going on through extensive repetition and internal narration. If you're supposed to know who someone is (or not know who they are), Subaru's internal narration will let you know.Kazy posted:Did anyone else expect Subaru to suddenly eat it at the end there? When reading the WN 4th arc there are a bunch of times where I expected Subaru to die but he just kept going. I think there were at least 5 times where I was totally sure a loop was about to end and then it proceeded to continue for many more chapters.
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 00:14 |
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lol at Pandora basically have the same power as Featherine from Umineko.
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 17:58 |
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Nate RFB posted:lol at Pandora basically have the same power as Featherine from Umineko.
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 18:01 |
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Lotta interesting implications this episode. For old Sanctuary, we see Beatrice is older than the Ryuzus, Echidna was in fact just living normally, and the earlier generation Roswaal... didn't have the heterochromia, I suppose. For Geuse, Regulus straight up calls him a spirit. So that's probably your mystery solved of why he's so long-lived and how he was able to body-hop rolled up right there - he's wasn't mortal even before he took in the Sloth Witch Factor. He was apparently doing whatever he'd been doing for Flugel - a name we haven't heard in a while, being the guy who planted that giant tree that got blown up to help defeat the White Whale. For the other new arrival, Pandora being the Witch of Vanity means we've likely got more sins in play. Vanagloria (also known as Vainglory or Vanity) and Tristitia (sorrow, melancholy, etc.) were two of the original "evil thoughts" before they were basically rolled into Pride and Sloth respectively by Pope Gregory I (who also, curiously, made Envy its own category at the same time), but given that we've already met the Witch of Pride, I'm sure it's a deliberate delineation here.
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 19:49 |
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I uh This Pandora girl is unstoppable. She seems to be immortal, ignores literally being obliterated by Regulus and can just seem to straight up rewrite reality by just saying it. That does not seem to be something even Subaru can beat. I doubt Reinhardt can even oppose something as op as "I can do whatever I want." In regards to Regulus I don't know if Re:Zero's Lugnica has an afterlife but I'd like to think that after Betelgeuse was killed by Subaru, he got to be with Fortuna. I really, really don't see how Fortuna can somehow live against someone who basically seems like the avatar of source code cheating
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 20:12 |
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Annointed posted:I uh This Pandora girl is unstoppable. She seems to be immortal, ignores literally being obliterated by Regulus and can just seem to straight up rewrite reality by just saying it. That does not seem to be something even Subaru can beat. I doubt Reinhardt can even oppose something as op as "I can do whatever I want."
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 20:16 |
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Hogama posted:I think she's got some unstated limits we're not privy to. I mean, I assume she wouldn't even need someone to bring her the means to lift the seal if she could just reality warp it into being. But whatever limitations she may have, she's at least ridiculously difficult if not impossible to defeat outright. It seems like her power is specifically selectively undoing other people's actions. She probably can't just create things out of whole cloth.
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 20:30 |
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Hogama posted:For Geuse, Regulus straight up calls him a spirit. So that's probably your mystery solved of why he's so long-lived and how he was able to body-hop rolled up right there - he's wasn't mortal even before he took in the Sloth Witch Factor. He was apparently doing whatever he'd been doing for Flugel - a name we haven't heard in a while, being the guy who planted that giant tree that got blown up to help defeat the White Whale. Then again, it makes me wonder how Subaru was able to deal the final blow by basically just lighting him on fire if he's really just a spirit. Hogama posted:For the other new arrival, Pandora being the Witch of Vanity means we've likely got more sins in play. Vanagloria (also known as Vainglory or Vanity) and Tristitia (sorrow, melancholy, etc.) were two of the original "evil thoughts" before they were basically rolled into Pride and Sloth respectively by Pope Gregory I (who also, curiously, made Envy its own category at the same time), but given that we've already met the Witch of Pride, I'm sure it's a deliberate delineation here. I was not aware of this. That's pretty interesting. And while it's pretty obvious Pandora is on an actual "witch-tier" power level, I still wonder about how much the title gets thrown around when you have Emilia calling herself the Witch of Ice (or whatever) to Echidna a couple episodes ago. Edit: Something interesting about the Pandora myth, too. In the original story featuring an unnamed version of her, Theogony, Hesiod originally describes her as being adorned in a silver gown and a silver crown by Athena before she's let loose on the world of men. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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Silver2195 posted:It seems like her power is specifically selectively undoing other people's actions. She probably can't just create things out of whole cloth. I might need to rewatch but then how was she able to put Regulus into a hole in the ground? I don't recall a hole being there. AlternateNu posted:Then again, it makes me wonder how Subaru was able to deal the final blow by basically just lighting him on fire if he's really just a spirit.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 02:33 |
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Great episode. Episode spoilers: Regarding how overpowered Pandora (or possibly Corneas) are, I think for the most part Subaru won't be dealing with them head to head, but probably I imagine he uses hits wits and alliance of allies instead. Although I imagine Pandora isn't an immediate foe, but probably more like a final boss after dealing with the Witch of Envy.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 02:38 |
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AlternateNu posted:Then again, it makes me wonder how Subaru was able to deal the final blow by basically just lighting him on fire if he's really just a spirit. Admittedly, back when Puck killed him in one of the failed timelines, Geuse was outraged that "a mere spirit" was killing him and Puck was mad about him being a mere human that's only lived a few decades , so it's not like my speculation is airtight. Maybe in his madness he doesn't see himself as a spirit anymore? I dunno.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 21:48 |
Hogama posted:For Geuse, Regulus straight up calls him a spirit. This actually explains the eye reflection thing with both Puck and Geuse. Emilia is just that attuned to spirits and automatically charms them. I wonder if the spirits guiding her to the seal are yet again actually a higher spirit like Melakuera.
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# ? Feb 4, 2021 22:01 |
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what a shocking twist! there's an actual OP!
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Zetsubou-san posted:what a shocking twist!
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