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Lovely Complex as well. All three years of these dumbasses:  
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Motto posted:Huh, makes me wonder how many anime series cover the whole of a character's HS years (with that being the main focus, no timeskips or anything). Azumanga Daioh, but I don't have any good pictures from it right now.
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nielsm posted:Azumanga Daioh, but I don't have any good pictures from it right now. 
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Azumanga Daioh is now 18 years old. And PM Mori was still a punchline.
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I'm weeks behind so I'm avoiding its thread for the time being, but wow I'm really liking Kimetsu no Yaiba so far.
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Expect My Mom posted:awesome That would be fun. There's a lot of stuff to go through, really. Two seasons, two recap movies I think, maybe throw in LatB. It would also give a good excuse to post this again 
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Well, good luck sleeping tonight after that.
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YAMADA HAS GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME
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Wark Say posted:Well, good luck sleeping tonight after that.
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Motto posted:Huh, makes me wonder how many anime series cover the whole of a character's HS years (with that being the main focus, no timeskips or anything). Cross Game covers the high school baseball career of the characters from first to last e; although theres less of the non baseball season stuff there's still a decent amount of off-season stuff going on
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Grouchio posted:But what if you're a passionate leg person.
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Sindai posted:Maybe that was what he meant
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dudermcbrohan posted:i didn’t watch Liz yet, does that do a bait and switch or are people just being chicken littles Also I'm pretty sure there isn't even a male character with a line in that movie? You see some of Eupho's male cast in the background of some shots but I don't remember any of them saying a word. dogsicle posted:people are just being tedious about kumiko and shuichi maybe being a thing
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Motto posted:Huh, makes me wonder how many anime series cover the whole of a character's HS years (with that being the main focus, no timeskips or anything). It hasn't gotten there yet but the creators of Bang Dream have said they want to do that with the game, and even follow the characters into college depending on if it lasts that long, which'd be really interesting if it manages it.
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isn't there a baker dude in the fairy tale part oh, and the teachers. why did i not remember them first
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the eupho stuff is kinda complex to me because like, i get wanting the gay rep and relationship to just be in the thing and be confirmed/front and center. i do also think there's value in having characters just be exploring relationships and sexuality in a way that results in stuff like kumireina coming and going, asukumi in s2 (and also the other couple from the first arc), and even a potential kumiko/shuichi thing. at the end of the day you've still had these intense and significant relationships between characters that matter to them even if they don't fall into traditional long-term relationship or happily ever after molds. if you wanna get reductive about it you still end up with kumiko at least being bi. kind of independent of that though, the sort of lame shuichi jokes just feel like they come from a place of dissatisfaction that eupho didn't follow the expectations and discourse set up way back in season 1 when we were all so awestruck at kumireina and i just wish people would let the show just kinda, be a show instead of a target for those expectations.
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It doesnt help that people tend to frame it like she falls madly in love with shuu and never talks to reina again and it smashcuts to her married with 2.5 kids The reality is theres a lot of back and forth, ambiguous relationships, them breaking up, kumiko wondering what 'love' is and actively comparing her feelings for all the important people in her life, etc. Theres still plenty to criticize and i totally get peoples misgivings and annoyances but the fact is the thing that actually happens isnt what people pretend happens. Her relationship with Reina is never treated as 'less important,' in fact a source of conflict within the narrative is her trying to reconcile how important her relationship with Reina is with whether or not she feels as meaningful a connection with Shuuichi Again, people can criticize or complain about that and I'd agree with a fair amount of it, but. Endorph fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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actually i guess the thing i was trying to hit at about the jokes was, they seem to come from a place mad about "kumiko/shuichi happens" and not addressing or caring about any of the context of that but since we haven't even seen the material adapted yet and i doubt most people have read the books, i guess its more understandable that the overall discourse level would still be at a low hum of hating that plot development, esp. with how it relates to wider media trends.
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The reason people got mad at Kumiko/Shuichi happening is cause Kumiko/Reina was a real thing in season 1 and for it to switch to Kumiko/Shuichi feels like a bait and switch and Class S lesbian. I didn't quite turn on the series as some I know, but I'm super wary of any future Kumiko stuff cause of it even if it does delve into reasons as to why it happened,
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I mean the real problem is that Shuuichi gets basically no screen time or development in the anime so any kind of relationship at all seems like it'd come out of nowhere. He's practically a background character.
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The reason Kumiko/Shuichi sucks is because he plays Trombone, the worst instrument.
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Shuuichi gets to tell Kumiko "Hey I like you romantically, let's go out" and then they go out. Reina has to exist in this netherworld of innuendo and "ah youth, transience, fleeting, how nostalgic~" and constantly remind everyone THAT THERE'S TOTALLY A MAN THAT SHE'S SUPER INTO IN A ROMANTIC WAY (also he's 35 and she doesn't even actually know the most basic loving things about him) - and the material literally never engages with this as a thing that is weird, or undesirable, or anything other than The Way Things Ought To Be. Nobody has literally ever even suggested to Reina that maybe her ideal of a romantic relationship with someone 20 years her senior might be anything other than a great idea! Everyone who ever talks to her about it just completely uncritically encourages her to go for it! That is rancid, poisonous character writing, on its face, under any circumstances, even entirely aside from the impression, intentional or otherwise, that it exists solely to explain why Kumiko and Reina can't be a thing. And some vague notion that maybe, two more years from now, we might possibly do something with these characters that isn't incredibly lovely doesn't really change that. Neither does Liz And The Blue Bird spending an hour and half trying to work up the courage to say that maybe these girls might possibly kind of like each other more than girls usually do (but oh god that might be a bad thing maybe she loves her too much what if they can only reach their full potential and become Normal People by separating???), for that matter.
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I've only seen the show and not read the source material, but if we were to hypothetically ignore sexual preference, like if Shuuichi was a girl he would be bland-as-hell Worst Girl who I would not want nor expect Kumiko to end up in a romantic relationship with. Reina and Asuka are just way more interesting and likeable characters from what we've been presented with so far in the anime series. Regardless, I'm excited for more Eupho in any format because it's a really good show.Endorph posted:the fact is the thing that actually happens isnt what people pretend happens. Her relationship with Reina is never treated as 'less important,' in fact a source of conflict within the narrative is her trying to reconcile how important her relationship with Reina is with whether or not she feels as meaningful a connection with Shuuichi This is good to know at least, thanks.
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Wait, did I miss something? Didn't season 2 end with Kumiko confessing to Asuka?
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Tir McDohl posted:Wait, did I miss something? Didn't season 2 end with Kumiko confessing to Asuka? Yep. What about it?
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Spiritus Nox posted:Neither does Liz And The Blue Bird spending an hour and half trying to work up the courage to say that maybe these girls might possibly kind of like each other more than girls usually do (but oh god that might be a bad thing maybe she loves her too much what if they can only reach their full potential and become Normal People by separating???), for that matter. Clarste posted:I mean the real problem is that Shuuichi gets basically no screen time or development in the anime so any kind of relationship at all seems like it'd come out of nowhere. He's practically a background character. SatoshiMiwa posted:The reason people got mad at Kumiko/Shuichi happening is cause Kumiko/Reina was a real thing in season 1 and for it to switch to Kumiko/Shuichi feels like a bait and switch and Class S lesbian. I didn't quite turn on the series as some I know, but I'm super wary of any future Kumiko stuff cause of it even if it does delve into reasons as to why it happened, Endorph fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jun 2, 2019 |
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Tir McDohl posted:Wait, did I miss something? Didn't season 2 end with Kumiko confessing to Asuka? They're in such different places in their lives that any long term relationship wouldn't really work, plus Asuka's proobaably not equipped for a longterm relationship besides.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Yep. What about it? Why do people get mad about Shuichi then? Dude was barely relevant.
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Tir McDohl posted:Why do people get mad about Shuichi then? Dude was barely relevant. in the novels, he and kumiko start a relationship. they are adapting the parts of the novels where that happens. indications are they will not remove or downplay those elements as they have with previous shuuichi related material. That is what we are currently having discourse about.
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something about him dating kumiko in the final book, and also the finale movie had a key visual that was just kumiko and shuichi fistbumping
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Endorph posted:in the novels, he and kumiko start a relationship. they are adapting the parts of the novels where that happens. indications are they will not remove or downplay those elements as they have with previous shuuichi related material. That is what we are currently having discourse about. Ah, spoilers. I see. I was really hoping they were setting him up to date her sister instead.
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Tir McDohl posted:Ah, spoilers. I see. I was really hoping they were setting him up to date her sister instead.
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Endorph posted:yeah idk why people can't just discuss this like adults instead of being vague and stupid about it, it's a complex enough back-and-forth without idiots with no skin in the game making tired jokes. Endorph posted:gently caress off, you odious piece of poo poo
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i feel like 'telling people not to make the same two tired jokes' and 'telling someone not to pop off with an insanely disingenuous reading for the seventeenth time' are two different things?
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Endorph posted:Have whatever opinions you like, but unasked and unearned moral righteousness is something no one has given you and nobody wants you to have, least of all the people you're ostensibly trying to speak in defense of. I'm speaking in defense of myself, and my feelings as I watched the show. The way it treats its character relationships struck me as deeply ill-thought out and as consistently framing its core relationships as ultimately cheap and disposable. I get that in this context that complaint is hard to disentangle from accusations of "this show is homophobic/bad to lesbians/whatever", but that's what I was trying to do. I'm sorry I couldn't express that more clearly. Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jun 2, 2019 |
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm speaking in defense of myself, and my feelings as I watched the show. The way it treats its character relationships struck me as deeply ill-thought out and as consistently framing its core relationships as ultimately cheap and disposable. I get that in this context that complaint is hard to disentangle from accusations of "this show is homophobic/bad to lesbians/whatever", but that's what I was trying to do. I'm sorry I couldn't express that more clearly. It's fine, I did pop off too hard, but stuff like that irks me, esp. that kind of framing. It's cool.
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