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stealie72 posted:The USAF museum has one that just sort of hulks over a bunch of other (large) planes. Its ungodly huge. I once had a C-5 pass overhead while in a car on a freeway and it was so drat big that it threw off my sense of perspective and speed estimation, like it was kind of hovering in place. Absurdly huge thing to see in the air.
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awesome to see this thread alive againJulius CSAR posted:There's an old arch hangar at Ellsworth they turned into a gym that was built to hold B-36's. Legend has it it could store two B-36's or SIX B-29's. It was a very large building. there's a B-36 on cockpit 360 if you want to explore the inside, check out the sweet urinal in the aft cabin: http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/cockpits/CW_tour/CW-11.html I've been doing research at a local historical society on a nearby piano manufacturer (Pratt-Read) who converted to glider production during WW2. They mainly built Waco troop gliders but also built about 80 two seat training gliders for the (eventually canned) Navy glider program. The coolest poo poo I found was that they were one of three firms (along with Piper and Taylorcraft) contracted to build prototypes of a glide bomb, basically an early drone/guided bomb in a high speed glider that was remote controlled. Piper and Talyorcraft failed to turn out flying prototypes but PR built and flew this thing:  which I think is pretty advanced looking for a ~1944 aircraft built by an firm that existed for just three years I also found a really cool proposal (I think) from the company to the usaf/usaaf (or maybe just for company brass) for a lightweight, single engine liaison plane that was never built. The artwork in the proposal was really fantastic, I hope you'll agree! sorry for the lovely photos     also just for shits here's the electra on display at NEAM, love that paintjob 
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I once had a C-5 pass overhead while in a car on a freeway and it was so drat big that it threw off my sense of perspective and speed estimation, like it was kind of hovering in place. Absurdly huge thing to see in the air. we had them based near our house when I was growing up, you ain't seen poo poo until you see one do a combat landing
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MA-Horus posted:Lawn dart, widow maker, manned missile G2 was the best G imo.
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Bip Roberts posted:G2 was the best G imo. *looks at Bf-110* checks out
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I once had a C-5 pass overhead while in a car on a freeway and it was so drat big that it threw off my sense of perspective and speed estimation, like it was kind of hovering in place. Absurdly huge thing to see in the air.  I had the exact same experience driving through Ohio back before they swapped them out for smaller planes. Guess the feeding cost got to be too much.
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Captain Hygiene posted:
they phased them out for more C-17's, so the airlift throw weight actually increased C-17's are still loving giant
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Oh yeah. Just not as loving giant.
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when I was fresh out of high school I worked at a small aircraft refurbishing center at the airport that had C-5's we had an ice storm one day and we were pushing a dumb Bonanza or something out right when a C-5 landed, thing was pointed right at us and I took off running like a madman. I have no idea why I thought I could outrun it turns out they can crab the landing gear in a crosswind and all the old dudes laughed at me when I came back into the hangar
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VikingSkull posted:*looks at Bf-110* Love adding turret ventilation with it in War Thunder.
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Blistex posted:Love adding turret ventilation with it in War Thunder. it was my go to in Aces High II for shredding bomber missions so much salt in global chat
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VikingSkull posted:they phased them out for more C-17's, so the airlift throw weight actually increased I had a buddy who had a west facing window in the only apartment tower in Charleston when he was in college and visiting was always a goddamn Giant Airplane spergfest, C17s all day, sometimes the dreamlifter, loving AN225 right over my head at the Dunkin Donuts half a mile past the end of runway 33 just crazy poo poo man
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shame on an IGA posted:I had a buddy who had a west facing window in the only apartment tower in Charleston when he was in college and visiting was always a goddamn Giant Airplane spergfest, C17s all day, sometimes the dreamlifter, loving AN225 right over my head at the Dunkin Donuts half a mile past the end of runway 33 the 225 is just ridiculous
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VikingSkull posted:when I was fresh out of high school I worked at a small aircraft refurbishing center at the airport that had C-5's EEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEeeee https://youtu.be/6J8qXOJGkes
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VikingSkull posted:it was my go to in Aces High II for shredding bomber missions I've gotten many an angry message in-game from people who I've set their engines on fire for the third time then flew away to let their tank brew up.
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I never played War Thunder but Aces High II was a straight sim, so flight mechanics were realistic. Bombers took loving forever to get to altitude, so you'd have missions of 40+ people forming up, taking off, corkscrewing up to alt for a half hour and then flying out for another half hour or so to get to the target. A big time sink, but horribly effective on shutting down enemy airfields so your side could come in and cap the base. Meanwhile, my squadron of 7 or 8 idiots would take off, do the same but faster and to a higher altitude. We'd come screaming in at like 400mph with 20 and 30mm's blazing and just savage the flight. The idiots never had enough escorts with them, and even if they did we usually had the energy advantage and could BnZ the poo poo out of them. Then we'd swing around and merk the escorts because they were just dumb enough to try a head on pass against cannons with .50 cals like the shitheads they were. Cue dozens of old men raging in global because we wasted their entire Thursday night.
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Was the F-104 uniquely bad at the low-altitude attack role? I thought it was more that any aircraft used to fly fast at low altitude on manual control would be a deathtrap.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Was the F-104 uniquely bad at the low-altitude attack role? I thought it was more that any aircraft used to fly fast at low altitude on manual control would be a deathtrap. It was made to be a "take off and get as high as possible to intercept a bomber by flying at Mach 2". The characteristics that made it really good in that role made it (possibly) the single worst candidate at the time for CAS.
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Julius CSAR posted:The 104 was really only a lawn after it went to Germany. Designing a jet as a high altitude interceptor, then bribing countries to buy it as a low altitude ground attack jet is a hell of a thing do to a guy. The old joke is that the F-104 killed more Luftwaffe pilots than the entire 8th air force.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Was the F-104 uniquely bad at the low-altitude attack role? I thought it was more that any aircraft used to fly fast at low altitude on manual control would be a deathtrap. High wing loading, high stall speed, poor low-speed performance, inefficient engine at low altitude. Low-altitude high-speed flight is always dangerous, but it's significantly less dangerous in something designed for it like an F-111 or a Tornado or a Viggen than in a plane that is, uh, the opposite of those.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Was the F-104 uniquely bad at the low-altitude attack role? I thought it was more that any aircraft used to fly fast at low altitude on manual control would be a deathtrap. I am not an aircraft engineer but the front edges of the F-104’s wings are 1/8” thick or so So I don’t think there’s much lift to be had if needed at low speed
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It's like giving your local paper delivery boy a high-end racing bike to deliver his papers on. It's just a matter of time before he plows into a parked car.
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speaking of poorly designed aircraft major howdy bixby knew what was up  
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Keith Atherton posted:I am not an aircraft engineer but the front edges of the F-104’s wings are 1/8” thick or so There are three ways of making more lift: make a bulgy cambered wing, increase the wing's surface area, or fly faster. The first two possibilities are not conducive to the F-104's intended mission (supersonic flight needs a small, thin wing) so you're stuck with flying faster. That means the minimum airspeed at which the plane remains controllable is a lot higher than in other aircraft, yes. Here is the F-104's engine-out landing procedure  note that it sinks at 7,000 feet per minute and you have to maintain at least 245 knots (280mph) or the plane becomes uncontrollable
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free hubcaps posted:speaking of poorly designed aircraft major howdy bixby knew what was up These are fabulous, where are they from?
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PhotoKirk posted:The old joke is that the F-104 killed more Luftwaffe pilots than the entire 8th air force. 292 of 915 airframes lost, 115 dead.
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slothrop posted:These are fabulous, where are they from? Bruce McCall's book. Here are some more: http://www.deansgarage.com/2011/bixbys-warbirds/
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Gervasius posted:Bruce McCall's book. Here are some more: ain't got poo poo on the AeroGavin 
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Gervasius posted:Bruce McCall's book. Here are some more: The "Humbly-Pudge Gallipoli Heavyish Bomber" is a bit too real
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I once had a C-5 pass overhead while in a car on a freeway and it was so drat big that it threw off my sense of perspective and speed estimation, like it was kind of hovering in place. Absurdly huge thing to see in the air. I work near an area where the AF trains pilots on C-5’s, C-17’s and KC-10’s, so there’s always several in the air at any given time, flying at low altitude and doing touch-n-go’s, etc. The C-5’s absolutely gently caress up your whole perception of distance because they’re so huge. Fun to watch ‘em, though.
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It's so big that there's literally times if you're driving in relation to them they look like they stop moving. Just a 7 story building hovering and screaming at you.
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NEVER REQUEST TRANSPORT OPS FROM ME OR MY SON AGAIN.
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mobby_6kl posted:The 104 is pretty much my favorite airplane. it looks so clean without the tip tanks. i want to make a model that is the YF-104. but it doesn't seem like there's anything. most of the models look like Gs now and the tail is all wrong. edit: oh dip there's a hasegawa F-104C 1:48 kit and some dude on the internet has made nasa decals for it KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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VikingSkull posted:ain't got poo poo on the AeroGavin AeroLongstreet when?
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bröther may I have some pällets
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who is ejecting? BEAR is ejecting?!? How can this be!
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All these pages and I haven't seen the Skyraider. quote:Skyraider pilots took a lot of ribbing from their fast-jet compatriots. A Spad jockey, it was said, could be recognized by his right leg, overdeveloped from standing on the rudder pedal against all that engine torque, and he had a greater chance of dying from slipping in an oil puddle than from an enemy bullet—but as one F-105 Thunderchief jock put it, “If a Sandy pilot walked into the bar, he would have a hard time paying for a drink.” The A-1 was a gigantic, ugly plane that added to its own paint job every time you flew it and was produced too late to take part in the war it was meant for. But it went on to hold its own in the next two wars, in a time full of screaming jet engines. Hell, they even shot down a couple MiG-17s. "Spads" flew close air support in two wars, made the only aerial torpedo attack of the Korean war, and in maybe their most celebrated role as "Sandy," they escorted search and rescue helicopters in Vietnam. They were huge, slow, prop-driven single-seaters that could take a hit (following additional armoring in Korea) and could lift more payload than a B-17. They were loving cool. Plus, one of them dropped a toilet on North Vietnam: 
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The Skyraider would have been perfect for CAS in Iraq and Afghanistan
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