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Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


Gearbox, come on!

they still haven't fixed enemy damage scaling with mayhem

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Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.


Grimey Drawer

Is it a low level thing or are legendaries more common in 3? Iíve seen like 7 or 8 by level 15 now, including 4 off vending machines. Itís great and I love it but I donít want to get my hopes up.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.


Grimey Drawer

Q =/= E

Judge Tesla
Oct 29, 2011



Rinkles posted:

What survived the power creep? Last time I played, the Mayhem 6 and Cartel weapons obsoleted a lot of the Tentacles gear.

Anarchy is still really good, if you don't blow yourself up with it.

A Moose
Oct 22, 2009



Raising the cap to 65 obsoleted a lot of the cartel weapons now since they're locked at 57, so you can go back and get the cool DLC weapons that weren't good enough before. though a decent OPQ is still good enough to hang with high mayhem level 65 stuff.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012




Finally chewed through the Locomobius, and, well, all I can say is that you need good corrosive guns (of multiple types) and some serious SDU investment before you face off against that thing. It's a ludicrous bullet-sponge. At least I have a max-level Brainstormer (one of the best Double Barrel guns) and Hellwalker now, so I'm melting down enemies pretty nicely now.

hamsystem
Nov 11, 2010

Fuzzy pickles!


Mazz posted:

Is it a low level thing or are legendaries more common in 3? I’ve seen like 7 or 8 by level 15 now, including 4 off vending machines. It’s great and I love it but I don’t want to get my hopes up.

It's pretty much all legendaries all the time in 3. Eventually it gets to the point after you buy all the storage upgrades where money doesn't matter anymore and there's no reason to pickup anything but legendaries and even then it's only certain ones with a good anointment.

Edit: Speaking of good legendaries, I'm so glad they buffed the hellwalker. Right after hitting 65 I picked one up with the 200% damage while action skill is active on Zane. I forget the exact base damage but it's somewhere in the 270-280k range and it owns.

hamsystem fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 15, 2020

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business


hamsystem posted:

Edit: Speaking of good legendaries, I'm so glad they buffed the hellwalker. Right after hitting 65 I picked one up with the 200% damage while action skill is active on Zane. I forget the exact base damage but it's somewhere in the 270-280k range and it owns.

Zane's clone with the hellwalker is actually pretty loving amazing. He has a pretty good distance with it considering it's a shotgun.

What weapons do you all use with Zane clone? I've found the light show, hellwalker and the blood-starved beast work really well with it.

hamsystem
Nov 11, 2010

Fuzzy pickles!


Mesadoram posted:

Zane's clone with the hellwalker is actually pretty loving amazing. He has a pretty good distance with it considering it's a shotgun.

What weapons do you all use with Zane clone? I've found the light show, hellwalker and the blood-starved beast work really well with it.

That sniper that makes lightning storms whose name I can't think of works really well. OPQ still wrecks even for a level 57. Those 2 and hellwalker are pretty much my gotos.

Shiftypenguin
Mar 15, 2005

Antique Roadshow

Mesadoram posted:

Zane's clone with the hellwalker is actually pretty loving amazing. He has a pretty good distance with it considering it's a shotgun.

What weapons do you all use with Zane clone? I've found the light show, hellwalker and the blood-starved beast work really well with it.

Clone with a Sandhawk or Hellshock is what I'm rocking right now. I had a build with a cryo light show that absolutely wrecked, but I have to re-farm that flavor of Light show thanks to the cap increase.

From what I'm hearing here I should probably re-equip my 300/90 OPQ on my clone...

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!


A Moose posted:

Raising the cap to 65 obsoleted a lot of the cartel weapons now since they're locked at 57, so you can go back and get the cool DLC weapons that weren't good enough before. though a decent OPQ is still good enough to hang with high mayhem level 65 stuff.
It's super dumb that they removed the Cartel stuff. It was a fun mission with great loot, and you simply can't do it anymore.

I basically never do stuff like save-editing in games, but this bothers me enough that I might look at it. If you edit up a weapon's level, does it automatically adjust the numbers to match?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012




Mesadoram posted:

Zane's clone with the hellwalker is actually pretty loving amazing. He has a pretty good distance with it considering it's a shotgun.

What weapons do you all use with Zane clone? I've found the light show, hellwalker and the blood-starved beast work really well with it.

Brainstormer means nobody anywhere near you has any shields (and anything without shields will still take respectable damage), the Lyuda has insane DPS (and serves up a mouth-watering buffet of Lootsplosion headshot kills) and the Ion Cannon does reliably brutal damage. Basically, if a gun looks really good except for the fact that it will melt through your limited ammo reserves, giving it to your clone will work wonders.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


Didn't the brainstormer get massively nerfed by the change to how chaining/ ricocheting guns work? (And there's also that strictly better other than element M6 clone)

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012




Rinkles posted:

Didn't the brainstormer get massively nerfed by the change to how chaining/ ricocheting guns work? (And there's also that strictly better other than element M6 clone)

I mean, I got a level 65 Brainstormer just today, and it's a big upgrade on the weapons I was previously using. It's very powerful - my clone was deleting entire arenas' worth of Guardians in less than a minute.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


Are you at M10, cause the one I picked up was disappointing? (With Amara)

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012




Rinkles posted:

Are you at M10, cause the one I picked up was disappointing? (With Amara)

M7, which I feel should give me a good enough read on which guns are and aren't powerful.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


It used to be a go-to for all my characters, but to me it really doesn't seem up to par on M10.

A Moose
Oct 22, 2009



So, it looks like they did something to Amara's talents and Ties that Bind? Maybe? Right now I was just going deep into the orange and blue trees and using a phasezerker, using ties that bind and stillness of mind and just lighting up groups, but I guess Do Harm was bugged or something with Ties that Bind and they fixed it?

So I looked up some other builds on the gearbox forums. It looks like there's a kind of hybrid melee build, that uses a knife drain white elephant artifact, skips the elemental capstone skill, stinger shield, ties that bind and Revelation instead of stillness of mind, but apparently it doesn't work at all until you also have a Face-Puncher and cryo damage Stinger.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/...oA2w8LGoGA/edit

Actually, a lot of Amara builds kinda rely on Face-Puncher and Stinger. I kinda like how Moze's builds are basically just "Blast Master + splash damage weapon" and it works while you just look for better anoints.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007




Is there any other new poo poo in the game besides the dlc? new relative to when the game launched

hamsystem
Nov 11, 2010

Fuzzy pickles!


victrix posted:

Is there any other new poo poo in the game besides the dlc? new relative to when the game launched

They expanded the amount of bank storage and changed up mayhem mode. Now it goes up to rank 10 and adds different modifiers based on which rank you're in. You can reroll the modifiers as much as you want but if you do it in the middle of a map it'll kick you back to the beginning and respawn everything.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


There are the Takedowns that are free for everyone. Basically a significantly harder level, with a big boss at the end with unique loot. Non boss enemies respawn after your deaths. And rekilling the boss requires redoing the whole level. Haven't done the second one yet.

There were some pretty good seasonal events too, but they were time limited. The Halloween one should probably be coming back soon.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business


hamsystem posted:

That sniper that makes lightning storms whose name I can't think of works really well. OPQ still wrecks even for a level 57. Those 2 and hellwalker are pretty much my gotos.

I think it is just called Storm. I got one in the bank, I will give it a shot.

Shiftypenguin posted:

Clone with a Sandhawk or Hellshock is what I'm rocking right now. I had a build with a cryo light show that absolutely wrecked, but I have to re-farm that flavor of Light show thanks to the cap increase.

From what I'm hearing here I should probably re-equip my 300/90 OPQ on my clone...

I had a corrosive sandhawk that the clone loving annihilated with. I gotta farm another one...

I love the hellshock, never actually tried it on the clone though

Darth Walrus posted:

Brainstormer means nobody anywhere near you has any shields (and anything without shields will still take respectable damage), the Lyuda has insane DPS (and serves up a mouth-watering buffet of Lootsplosion headshot kills) and the Ion Cannon does reliably brutal damage. Basically, if a gun looks really good except for the fact that it will melt through your limited ammo reserves, giving it to your clone will work wonders.

Ion cannon can be fun, I will need to go farm one.

isoprenaline
Jun 3, 2005

And there, till Christ call forth the dead,
In silence let him lie:
No need to waste the foolish tear,
Or heave the windy sigh:
The man had killed the thing he loved,
And so he had to die.

WhiteHowler posted:

It's super dumb that they removed the Cartel stuff. It was a fun mission with great loot, and you simply can't do it anymore.

I basically never do stuff like save-editing in games, but this bothers me enough that I might look at it. If you edit up a weapon's level, does it automatically adjust the numbers to match?

Yes, save editing the level of guns works fine and is very easy. You can be far more adventurous with the changes if you want.

Saxophone
Sep 19, 2006





Piggy backing on the above question, does having the DLC do anything to/for the leveling experience? I'm starting over with Moze

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.


Grimey Drawer

Saxophone posted:

Piggy backing on the above question, does having the DLC do anything to/for the leveling experience? I'm starting over with Moze

If you have DLC 1&2 you can start right at Sanctuary at level 13 and skip the early pandora stuff. The first Markus cutscene changes to fill you in a bit. Select new game and youíll get a new menu for normal or DLC start. I picked Moxxi and while it starts you on that mission you can just bracket to the main quest and come back to it if you donít want do the casino right at 13.

I just did that and it was incredibly good since thatís exactly where I stopped with my previous FL4K game. Im much happier with Moze FWIW, Sheís definitely set up for simpler run-and-gun play style with the Mech as a good oh poo poo button.

Mazz fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Sep 16, 2020

Saxophone
Sep 19, 2006





Mazz posted:

If you have DLC 1&2 you can start right at Sanctuary at level 13 and skip the early pandora stuff. The first Markus cutscene changes to fill you in a bit. Select new game and you’ll get a new menu for normal or DLC start. I picked Moxxi and while it starts you on that mission you can just bracket to the main quest and come back to it if you don’t want do the casino right at 13.

I just did that and it was incredibly good since that’s exactly where I stopped with my previous FL4K game. Im much happier with Moze FWIW, She’s definitely set up for simpler run-and-gun play style with the Mech as a good oh poo poo button.

Yeah this is how I feel as a level 8. Fl4k is cool, and I never don't want more ProZD in my life, but Moze feels very synced with what I want in a shooter: lots of shooting. Plus, granted I'm low level, but I don't feel like I have to loot guns around a specific build or anything glancing over the skill trees.

Hrm, I suppose I should decide whether or not I want the DLC since it's on sale on PS Store. Can't imagine it won't go back on sale though.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007




Cryo being blue and good against armor and radiation yellow and good against shields is breaking my brain on maliwan weapon eval

Sex Hobbit
Jul 24, 2007

because we are cat


Saxophone posted:

Yeah this is how I feel as a level 8. Fl4k is cool, and I never don't want more ProZD in my life, but Moze feels very synced with what I want in a shooter: lots of shooting. Plus, granted I'm low level, but I don't feel like I have to loot guns around a specific build or anything glancing over the skill trees.

Hrm, I suppose I should decide whether or not I want the DLC since it's on sale on PS Store. Can't imagine it won't go back on sale though.

Look for a Maggie for your FL4K, it's a pistol with a fast fire rate and a huge crit bonus that makes run-and-gun more viable on them.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


What is the max dps amara build at the mo?

Is it ties that bind with 200% weapon damage while action skill active?

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


Hours and hours and hours later, I've seen 3 heads drop in BoB



All for Zane


GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

What is the max dps amara build at the mo?

Is it ties that bind with 200% weapon damage while action skill active?

I still like 100% weapon action skill end because it allows for near 100% uptime of the buff, whilst with 200% ASA you end up with shorter intermittent power bursts.

I've been using more phasecast lately just to keep thing interesting. With the scaling of action skill damage indiscriminate can clear rooms almost by itself, so you don't miss ties quite as much.

Max dps might be one of the dumb "melee" builds (scare quotes cause there's no actual punching involved, just the damage type), but I've been purposefully avoiding them for now.

Psychedelicatessen
Feb 17, 2012


victrix posted:

Cryo being blue and good against armor and radiation yellow and good against shields is breaking my brain on maliwan weapon eval

what

i thought cryo was good against flesh and rad was good against everything but shields


its bl1 corrosive and slag all over again

Fenn the Fool!
Oct 24, 2006
woohoo

Cryo is diet-corrosion and radiation is diet-shock. They get smaller damage bonuses against their preferred target, but have no damage penalty against flesh.

isoprenaline
Jun 3, 2005

And there, till Christ call forth the dead,
In silence let him lie:
No need to waste the foolish tear,
Or heave the windy sigh:
The man had killed the thing he loved,
And so he had to die.

Two of the probe missions in Sapphireís Run appear bugged.

What is the reward for completing them all? If it isnít something good (A gun) I just wont bother trying to sort them out. Feel free to spoiler tag your answer.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on




Pillbug

Booted the game up today and the only character it's showing on my profile is FL4K at level 6. What the gently caress?! Are my saves gone permanently?

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Ugly In The Morning posted:

Booted the game up today and the only character it's showing on my profile is FL4K at level 6. What the gently caress?! Are my saves gone permanently?

Oh poo poo, what level were you at before?

I lost 3 levels this week due to that happening.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on




Pillbug

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Oh poo poo, what level were you at before?

I lost 3 levels this week due to that happening.

Close to thirty. I donít play a shitload but I was going to go back and play a few hours today but now Iím just like ďgently caress, uninstallingĒ. I canít even roll a new character straight to sanctuary anymore.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on




Pillbug

Thinking about it, it may have overwritten my Steam save with my epic store save, but then I would also have a Moze file and there isnít one. Itís baffling.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?


You bought the game twice?

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on




Pillbug

Rinkles posted:

You bought the game twice?

Iíve done it with that and Control, mostly because epicís cloud saving situation sucks incredibly hard and going back and forth between a desktop and laptop (yay work travel) with lovely cloud saves sucks.

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YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom


Been trying to get back into the game since not playing near launch. Now I got a PC that's not a toaster and it runs smooth and looks good and I just can't actually make a decision and stick to it on what character to run for my 2nd time through. I played Fl4k first and he was great and there's cool poo poo with everyone else why are decisions so hard.

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