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Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Milo and POTUS posted:

Matt Berry getting drained because he wanted to listen about age of sail battles is very relatable

That's something I'd like to see (and we sort of saw it with Topher,) someone who doesn't get drained by Colin because they enjoy his company, or they particular like the joke he tells. Like, Colin makes a friend (Not like Evie where they're another vampire) but someone who just vibes with Colin and Colin can't drain them, maybe he even gets weaker. Maybe he starts acting more interesting around other characters and falls into a doomed gyre of escaping a person he can't drain by being a real person around people he can't drain even more. The opposite of super powerful Colin.

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Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I just love the fact that everyone (even outside the show) refers to him as "Colin Robinson" (not like with Nadja or Nandor) because he's simply not notable enough to be known as "Colin." It's become a single one word run on name "Colinrobinson."

If that isn't the viewers buying into the worldbuilding I don't know what is.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

WSAENOTSOCK posted:

Good lord, is that what happened? How is that still happening? Can you imagine Always Sunny or this show as originally conceived with the woman being an obnoxious nag? Holy poo poo.

You framing it as "obnoxious nag" isn't quite the intent these pitches were going for in the first place. "Actually well put together, reasoned and intelligent," is how it's typically framed. You know, the idea that the woman would have some clarity on the situation. It's only when you look at it from the perspective people cheering on the idiots (doing idiotic stuff, and worse) that the perceived framing of the character changes. But the way it's typically presented in the first instance is the-woman=smart=successful over the-men=thick-as-poo poo=failures.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I agree these haven't been as funny as previous seasons but I haven't been sure why. I think you've partly pointed it out, though. They're leaning heavily into their story and what's been established. Stuff coming out of left-field, in small asides or in big moments just hasn't been there. There's no real surprise to anything, no off-kilter weirdness. I feel a lot of the strength previously was that you had your expectations for the characters and they were, often, subtly undercut. Either the character went too far, or did something that only makes sense as a character developing, especially given how old they are and how much past-personality there is to call on. Now it feels very much like they're working off a character bible and following along with what each character is expected to do.

Lazlo and looking for porn in the library is a great example. It's exactly in keeping with his character. I feel in past shows there'd be something about how he wrote a porn book (already established he did porn) and wants to get Gizmo to get his erotica "on the internets!" ran a porn printing press that was shut down after he replaced semi-colons with elaborate images of penises, "people were expecting bum-holes and I gave them erect cock!" or something even stranger. Instead it was a one-note follow through entirely in keeping with his character. There's nothing "new" to him.

Still digging that energy vampires are always referred to with their full name though, ColinRobinson fully calling the weed energy vampire DaveLewis.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I think the characters are too smart and/or caring this year. They've all shown signs of growth, except for maybe Gizmo, the one human entity actually capable of growth.

Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012
I did not like the ending to Nadja's story this episode. The whole point about her being as stupid as the men should include, especially because she's an ancient vampire, her not being about modern woman, unappreciated at work, not enough time for herself kinda stuff. In the first two seasons her and Lazlo just hosed, and indulged each other's kinks. It could work if the writing was better but the beats of the story, if not the language, would absolutely play in any other crappy sitcom that gets a 150 episodes and goes into syndication.

Best Buy was good. The Colin Robinson origin story/development is good. Getting to a third of the way through the episode with no mystery, rather an out of place acquiring the boat, to just reveal the siren even calling was bad. Just start them out on a boat, don't give us a crappy scene that doesn't make sense with the vampires not even being good/subtle at feeding.

Guillermo breaking "the fourth wall" to complain about how he's being treated as a small character compared to a doll was horrific. A ballsy move to attempt to upset the in-world universe and call out his relative rank in the hierarchy, but it just didn't work. We're already suspending disbelief that there's a camera crew following them, we've had episodes where the camera crew get hosed over, sparingly thankfully, we have interviews, going further again and acting like this is a reality show just game across as cack-handed.

I'm gonna keep watching because I'm invested in the characters and the acting is great, but this season is nothing like the first two in the way it's written. Either in the storylines or dialogue.

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Mrenda
Mar 14, 2012

Captain Monkey posted:

Are people actually posting upset that the gimmick of addressing the documentary crew, one of the main conceits of the show and movie, is still being used?

I'm upset that they're becoming aware of the crew and their filming as something with purpose. Guillermo talking about being a bit player in a show is him being aware that the filming has purpose. So far it seems like they've all been completely oblivious to the consequences of what a documentary means, and barely think of it. There's a layer of stupidity between their being filmed and what the characters think of it. This season they're now addressing it, like it's a reality show, and it's just not working. Up until now the documentary crew has been, "loving guuuys... Now they're right there, and Gizmo started playing up to them and treating them with respect.

It goes back to the idea that the characters are far more competent this year. Sure, they gently caress up, but someone pointed out that Nadja has been "feminist" in the past in turning the S1 character into a vampire. That's true, but she was inept at it. Nadja turned the D&D player, then forgot about her. The new vampire was sick, didn't know she needed human blood, terrified her college roommate, and had to be rescued. Nadja hosed up, and when she realised the consequences of what she'd done she was equally as clueless. She was moronic in doing what she was doing. With the doll this episode they had a "happy ending." No-one really hosed up, not because they were stupid, selfish, not aware of modern issues, etc. The characters could have and probably did "learn something." The first two seasons were great because the characters never learned a thing, and if they did learn something they learned the wrong thing. It was constantly upsetting the plot beats, not this season which is constantly hitting typical plot beats, even if it's in weird scenarios.

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