muscles like this! posted:

Also big lol at how Octavia is now 17 years older than she was at the start of the series and looks exactly the same.

Mike the TV posted:

muscles like this! posted:

They did not do a good job justifying that death. Although really everything with Bellamy has been off this season.

Astroman posted:

It's amazing where they went from the initial concept. I wonder how long they had this stuff in mind? Easter Egging Cadogan so far back meant they had some idea, but I wonder just how much they planned out?

Strange Matter posted:

Also the best episode is the Season 3 episode where Jasper dies. I was legit stunned by how surprisingly elegiac the entire episode was.

Strange Matter posted:

EDIT: Did you really feel like Bellamy's death was well done? Like I said that still makes me angry.

pressedbunny posted:

The specific scene of Bellamy being killed was fine, because Clarke is a reactionary homicidal lunatic who had already proven many times that she'd do literally anything to anyone for Madi, and I like that even Bellamy wasn't an exception to that to that.
However, I don't like how it was handled after. It was out of character that Echo and Octavia didn't hack Clarke to pieces immediately, and then having Bellamy be right all along and not even getting to be part of the 'Finalkru' made his death feel very unbalanced. The second-main character of the story is killed, it's proven killing him was a gigantic and needless mistake, and the only cost is a few tears? Obviously it's been a couple of years so maybe I'm misremembering, but as I recall, Clarke got away with it essentially scot-free.
Shooting Bellamy wasn't even why she got left behind in the end, it was just one of many gently caress-ups she listed. She literally got punished more for shooting Cadogan. I like Clarke and got a kick out of her mass murdering ways, but man, she really needed to get some kind of direct and clear comeuppance. I don't think dying of old age with her friends and dog, knowing her daughter is now an immortal cosmic force, was really the punishment or penance the writers thought it was.

Bellamy being killed off before the final was fine. Clarke shooting Bellamy was fine. Not having her really pay for it in any significant way, especially when he was right, was not fine.

Shrimpy posted:

The main cast of The Originals are recurring characters starting in Season 2 that eventually get their backdoor pilot in Season 4.

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If you watched episode 708, the backdoor pilot to the potential prequel series for The 100, and you've been following Trigedasleng for a bit, you're undoubtedly going to have a lot of questions. I'll try to anticipate and answer as many as I can.

First, it will help to remember that I was hired in between seasons 1 and 2—I was not a part of the show from the beginning—and that what you've seen in the latter seasons, in terms of new characters and plot arcs, wasn't planned at that time. This is the scenario I was given: There are humans in America (near D.C.) who survived the nuclear apocalypse. They speak a language that is noticeably distinct from English—but also familiar enough that English-speaking viewers will recognize some of it. There's been about 100 years between the apocalypse and the time of the show, and the apocalypse was our time plus 40 odd years. Also, all of these survivors seem to speak English fluently (that was canon from season 1).

That's a difficult position to be in, but recall that based on what we saw in season 1, they didn't need to have me on the show at all. Anyway, it was a fun exercise, and the result was Trigedasleng—mostly as you know it. (In truth, the original version I developed was different—it pushed the envelope further. Trigedasleng as it exists is a compromise between me and the writers at the time.) I hypothesized a potential scenario that led to the creation of the language, but it was rather informal. The hypothetical scenario was that if humans survived, but there aren't, like, billions of people on the planet, it stands to reason that some groups were more successful than others. Perhaps one of these groups developed a code to be able to distinguish themselves from outsiders—to tell who was in the group and who wasn't (imagining a doomsday society, it seemed like this might be a useful thing). This gave me license to change the meanings of words radically, while, at the same time, allowing me to apply more or less standard sound and grammar changes to English and blend the two: the code and usual language evolution.

That backstory was the backstory, more or less, for a few seasons, but as you can see, it lacks a lot of detail. It was more of a launching point.

At some point in time, Jason got an idea for how the series was going to end, and came up with the idea for a prequel, which necessitated revisiting the origins of Trigedasleng (after all, the prequel would be going to its birth). The most important details are laid out in this episode. Among them is that Callie Cadogan is herself a conlanger, and consciously created a language.

That changes things quite a bit from where Trig. started. First off, I had always imagined that Trig. would have been associated with a group like the Second Dawn—not a splinter group from the Second Dawn. At least, that was what I imagined at first. This, though, still works. More importantly, though, if you look at Trigedasleng as a language, it really is modern English with some sound changes, some grammatical changes, and some lexical quirks. Its content doesn't approximate something a beginning conlanger would create. (That is, most conlangers, when starting out, get a bit more creative, rather than modifying their own language.)

The big question: With this origin revealed, would I have done the same thing with Trigedasleng? The answer is no. It would have been far different. It would have looked like a beginning conlang that had actually been adopted by a group of speakers and turned into a full language. It would likely be largely a priori.

Having said that, something like that wouldn't have matched the expectations and desires of the writers back in the summer between seasons 1 and 2, so I'm not sure if I could have done something like that. An origin like this one wasn't anticipated at that time, so they certainly wouldn't have asked for something like that. And as a secondary observation, would the fans have responded to that kind of thing the way they did to Trig.? Somehow I doubt it. I certainly don't regret it.

The episode itself has one surviving line of the Proto-Trig I half-created, but there were more lines (including lines by Lucy, played by Defiance veteran and friend Nicole Muñoz!). I'm grateful that they were cut. If this moves forward as a series, I want that freedom. I think creating that linguistic situation will be an interesting project, and I think I'll be able to bring in more of Callie's original a priori conlang. (After all, just because most of her words didn't survive doesn't mean they were never there!)

In short, I like this origin story. Had I known it ahead of time, I would've done things differently, but I also don't regret what we have in Trig., and don't think it unnecessarily complicates things moving forward. We'll see if there's a next chapter!

Mike the TV posted:

I'm willing to bet Bellamy was written to have died in a bad way because the actor was being accused of sexpesting at the time.

Pillowpants posted:

He thought that Clarke irradiating Mount Weather was the only logical thing to do. I’ve got a serial killer in my midst