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RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Stoner Sloth posted:

Oh no, I am owned by someone who has looked some poo poo up on wikipedia! My whole life is a lie!

Or maybe the Guiness book of records ain't that accurate since there are less public records of several people being up longer than this (you honestly don't think the military did more testing on it than Guiness?) and also that something not being measured and recorded by a self proclaimed world authority that started to settle arguments in pubs doesn't mean it did not in fact occur. Particularly when they're actually trying to sleep because they're already chronically sleep deprived from life long idiopathic insomnia - last thing I was thinking of was recording it for posterity. For what it's worth I was hallucinating pretty badly and more than half crazy by the time I finally got a few hours sleep... some healthy 14 year old keeping himself awake didn't have a permanent, ever increasing sleep debt before he started it so wasn't so badly off as an unbelievably tired 22 (at the time) year old would probably handle it much better. If that's not good enough for you :shrug: I'm fine with you not believing me :)

you sound pretty cranky, maybe you should get some sleep

oh wait

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marijuanamancer
Sep 11, 2001

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
maybe you should kill yourself. ultimate sleep

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Stoner Sloth
Apr 2, 2019


lol'd

Don't mean to sound cranky but it's a little frustrating, everyone is an armchair expert when it comes to sleep cause they read a thing once. That said was more trying to sound jovial about it... I probably just suck at posting mostly :)

A Concrete Divider
Jan 20, 2012

The Unbearable Whiteness of Eating

marijuanamancer posted:

maybe you should kill yourself. ultimate sleep

What the heck

Linux Pirate
Apr 21, 2012


marijuanamancer posted:

maybe you should kill yourself. ultimate sleep

For a mancer of marijuana you're not very chill

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
Moving along back to insomnia, I have a hard time sleeping because of work poo poo. It sucks. I’m tired.

Stoner Sloth
Apr 2, 2019

Mozi posted:

i sleep from about 10-6:30 daily but i'm still always tired :\

Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Get a sleep study for sleep apnea if you have the insurance for it.

Also maybe get tested for thyroid problems? A goon in another thread that was talking about insomnia suggested it and also that the test was pretty cheap in the US. But definitely rule out sleep apnea first as others suggested.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Stoner Sloth posted:

Also maybe get tested for thyroid problems? A goon in another thread that was talking about insomnia suggested it and also that the test was pretty cheap in the US. But definitely rule out sleep apnea first as others suggested.

I passed the thyroid test. And I’m pretty svelt for a goon mod.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

I went to bed early last night now I'm gonna party tonight :madmax:

Stoner Sloth
Apr 2, 2019

Burt Sexual posted:

I passed the thyroid test. And I’m pretty svelt for a goon mod.

Noice and unironically hope the sleep gets better, for everyone suffering from insomnia here - any level of sleep deprivation sucks.

I would say to everyone though be real careful with prescription sleeping pills - most of the sleep specialists whether doctors, pyschiatrists or psychologists - reckon prolonged usage makes your sleep problems worse as well as potential for addiction, building up tolerance and/or withdrawal effects. Make sure that there isn't something that can be used to treat you in addition to the sleeping pills and be careful with the usage.

I was lucky that they don't work well on me (just make me feel horrible and zombified without KOing me at healthy doses) cause it meant I didn't inevitably screw myself up further with them as I'm sure a young idiot me would probably have done.

Oddly Modafinil has been much more helpful - can use that to treat fatigue and tiredness and doesn't seem to keep me awake any more than I would be anyways... but since it's an off label medicine for my condition it's way more bloody expensive than I'd like so have to use it sparingly.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

numberoneposter posted:

I went to bed early last night now I'm gonna party tonight :madmax:

Monday’s are slow nights at bars, good choice. Mine actually closes now.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Burt Sexual posted:

Monday’s are slow nights at bars, good choice. Mine actually closes now.
It's Tuesday morning and I'm on Phucket.

I also got a pretty good sunburn lol.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

numberoneposter posted:

It's Tuesday morning and I'm on Phucket.

I also got a pretty good sunburn lol.

It's probably an STI. Rub some gin on it.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



Stoner Sloth posted:

Noice and unironically hope the sleep gets better, for everyone suffering from insomnia here - any level of sleep deprivation sucks.

I would say to everyone though be real careful with prescription sleeping pills - most of the sleep specialists whether doctors, pyschiatrists or psychologists - reckon prolonged usage makes your sleep problems worse as well as potential for addiction, building up tolerance and/or withdrawal effects. Make sure that there isn't something that can be used to treat you in addition to the sleeping pills and be careful with the usage.

I was lucky that they don't work well on me (just make me feel horrible and zombified without KOing me at healthy doses) cause it meant I didn't inevitably screw myself up further with them as I'm sure a young idiot me would probably have done.

Oddly Modafinil has been much more helpful - can use that to treat fatigue and tiredness and doesn't seem to keep me awake any more than I would be anyways... but since it's an off label medicine for my condition it's way more bloody expensive than I'd like so have to use it sparingly.

To add to this, if you're taking other prescriptions and a doctor or psych prescribes you sleeping pills make loving sure they tell you if there's any chance of a negative interaction.

I ended up hospitalized twice because doctors rxed me sleeping pills and went 'you'll be a-okay with your other meds lol'.

unpleasantly turgid
Jul 6, 2016

u lightweights couldn't even feed my shadow ;*

marijuanamancer posted:

maybe you should kill yourself. ultimate sleep

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instructions unclear, i ended up with a cat in my lap and watching netflix

Stoner Sloth
Apr 2, 2019

LadyPictureShow posted:

To add to this, if you're taking other prescriptions and a doctor or psych prescribes you sleeping pills make loving sure they tell you if there's any chance of a negative interaction.

I ended up hospitalized twice because doctors rxed me sleeping pills and went 'you'll be a-okay with your other meds lol'.

Excellent point.

Had that happen with some sleeping pills and a randomly prescribed anti-anxiety med from a doctor who didn't really know what he was doing and decided that anxiety must be the cause of my inability to sleep. Didn't end up in hospital but blacked out for half a minute while I standing up and was lucky not to crack my skull open - sleep specialist who I'd just started to see wrote the guy a letter tearing shreds off him.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
I’m not going to take pills to solve this. I know the root cause. So says my doc too. I’m too wrapped up in work.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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LadyPictureShow posted:

To add to this, if you're taking other prescriptions and a doctor or psych prescribes you sleeping pills make loving sure they tell you if there's any chance of a negative interaction.

I ended up hospitalized twice because doctors rxed me sleeping pills and went 'you'll be a-okay with your other meds lol'.

Doctors (especially those that are not specialists) are really poo poo at catching drug interactions. The backup hope is that the pharmacist catches it, and they often do.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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Burt Sexual posted:

I passed the thyroid test. And I’m pretty svelt for a goon mod.

Just for others reading this, thin people can have "central" sleep apnea where your brain just doesn't send the right signals while you're sleeping. They can also still have obstructive too if your throat is just shaped weird or whatever.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Oscar Wild posted:

It's probably an STI. Rub some gin on it.
Will Change and Samrong do?

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

I couldn't sleep but then I tried reading this thread and it did wonders!!

heh actually no this is pretty interesting tho

Stoner Sloth
Apr 2, 2019

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

Just for others reading this, thin people can have "central" sleep apnea where your brain just doesn't send the right signals while you're sleeping. They can also still have obstructive too if your throat is just shaped weird or whatever.

Yeah - that's true. Have a friend who is tall and skinny but had it cause of messed up sinus and throat, had corrective surgery and is much better these days - now the only thing loving up his sleep is a new born daughter.

Vato
Jan 14, 2018

Sleep IS the best thing next to death, so I don't think that was a rude thing for that guy to say.

I think also he meant the good kind of sleep, like REM restful kind. It's not an escape, though. Oftentimes whatever you're dreaming about is more frightening that what is going on when you're awake! I love sleeping, but I think when you die the whole thing is over, so...rest is best!

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Both death and sleep are as much part of life as sex and eating and aging from a metaphysical point of view but while I like to think one day I will welcome the big sleep these days I try to avoid it despite engaging in somewhat riskerier than normal behavior, part of the fun I guess. Sleeping on the other hand. Some days you just gotta sleep and sleep some more.

I only know what works for me but if you have a consistent workout routine, ie 8 hours a week, you won't have to ask your body to sleep your body will ask you to sleep.

Stress is a bad one and I've been kept awak by stress for sure. Clear your mind and tell yourself you are on the right track and doing things to fix what is stressing you out, and worrying about it now isn't helpful.

Failing that smoke a huge joint and smash some beers. :cheers:

numberoneposter fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Apr 9, 2019

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

Gray Matter posted:

Low testosterone is also a common cause of chronic fatigue despite adequate sleep. Get your gonads tested.

Stoner Sloth posted:

Also maybe get tested for thyroid problems? A goon in another thread that was talking about insomnia suggested it and also that the test was pretty cheap in the US. But definitely rule out sleep apnea first as others suggested.

Palpek posted:

Dude, sleep apnea can literally kill you and it's not one of those quick deaths. Go to a doctor asap.

heya i got a blood test (i'm not a likely candidate for sleep apnea, not that it couldn't happen, but easier to rule out other things first) and my vitamin d is about 11ng/ml which apparently is not good and could explain my symptoms

so thanks for getting me to do that rather than just continuing to waste away until my bones turn into dust or i get rickets or something

Valko
Sep 18, 2015

Stoner Sloth posted:

Humans are extremely resistant to sleep deprivation in the sense of it causing death - you won't die but it's not great for your health to not sleep.

My advice would be try to get some sleep but set an alarm and force yourself out of bed when it goes off - 6 hours is still a good length of time to rest - and going out in the sunlight in the early morning will help you get back into a normal routine.

Longest I've been up was about 11 and a half days... but I have a rare and extreme form of insomnia that isn't treatable and it really blows, I average about 5 hours a week of sleep.

It would seem that we have someone who can make a credible claim to a world record ITT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Gardner_(record_holder)

JEEVES420
Feb 16, 2005

The world is a mess... and I just need to rule it

Valko posted:

It would seem that we have someone who can make a credible claim to a world record ITT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Gardner_(record_holder)

are we talking with our without drugs? Cause 17 days is my record but that with a whole lot of drugs on top of insomnia.

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Stoner Sloth
Apr 2, 2019

Yeah this was without stimulant drugs - was drinking and smoking weed I suppose but that tends to make me more likely rather than less likely to sleep.

But yeah, as I pointed out earlier that world record thing is kinda bogus - Guiness no longer update it due to legal concerns of encouraging people to go without sleep for extended periods and even just in Australia alone there is a documented case of 18 days, 21 hours and 40 minutes from the Australian National Sleep Project.

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