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As Nero Danced posted:The first run of Penny dreadful had a pretty dismal end as well. That show had great atmosphere but completely threw it out the window in the last five episodes. The big bad guy didn't even get killed, instead he walked out of the room off screen. I started watching Penny Dreadful because I heard about how badly they botched the last season and it's true. It's all true. The first season is really really good with a great cast, great atmosphere, etc. Second season is shaky but solid and they turn the baroque horror stuff up to 11 in a completely shameless way, but it works. The third season is so bad that I don't even want to watch the new spinoff that is coming out. The image of Patty Lupone dual wielding pistols is seared into my brain and I fear it will never be expunged.
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Mat Cauthon posted:I started watching Penny Dreadful because I heard about how badly they botched the last season and it's true. It's all true. The first season is really really good with a great cast, great atmosphere, etc. Second season is shaky but solid and they turn the baroque horror stuff up to 11 in a completely shameless way, but it works. The third season is so bad that I don't even want to watch the new spinoff that is coming out.
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Captain Splendid posted:The fact that no one's remembered it yet is a good sign I'm on to a winner here: Oh drat yeah that was a good one "I hate heroes" True Blood also had a very bad ending. And Sons of Anarchy, although really most of that show was bad but it did appear to be popular
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Sons of Anarchy is one of the few shows that I truly gave up on. I enjoyed the first 2.5 seasons but towards the end of season 3 it was just starting to get loving stupid with people backstabbing each other left and right. Then I got to season 4 and I think I dropped it after the doctor-girlfriend got some perfume or something from the creator-insert and the episode ends with her masturbating after smelling it. I've suffered through a lot of garbage (I watched all of GoT) but SoA was where I realised that I don't have to suffer through poo poo if I'm not enjoying it
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The last two seasons of Boardwalk Empire became this meandering blur to me. Did that show have any kind of pull?
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Mass Effect didn't die because of Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect died because Andromeda was godawful. There was still enormous hype about the game and chance to revisit the setting/game-style 'clean' of the original trilogy's story but the game was bad and didn't sell and so that was the end of that. e: the original trilogy remaining so popular that they bothered to do a graphics remaster so they could sell it again
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Alchenar posted:Mass Effect didn't die because of Mass Effect 3, Mass Effect died because Andromeda was godawful. There was still enormous hype about the game and chance to revisit the setting/game-style 'clean' of the original trilogy's story but the game was bad and didn't sell and so that was the end of that.
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Happy Thread posted:No, the gross thing about the scene isn't the book character's age, nor the actress's final age---it's the actress's original age when she was first hired, and also her apparent age in season 1. If you know hollywood and how much child exploitation there is behind the scenes, and if you know D&D's type, you know it was something they had calculated out since her very first audition which was god knows how early.
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Not by season 8 they weren't, but season 1 D&D were still heavily interested in their own show... the point is that's how early they were probably quietly joking to each other about Maise's 18th birthday coming around before "the tits and rear end show" would end. We have no way of knowing it wasn't even factored in at audition time. It takes a certain kind of people to make hiring choices that even leave themselves open to such questions being speculated about.
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THE BAR posted:The last two seasons of Boardwalk Empire became this meandering blur to me. Did that show have any kind of pull? It seems the showrunner just lost interest in the project at some point, leading to the last two seasons (and especially the last in particular) feeling off. Not showing the downfall of Arnold Rothstein was unforgivable. Happy Thread posted:Not by season 8 they weren't, but season 1 D&D were still heavily interested in their own show... the point is that's how early they were probably quietly joking to each other about Maise's 18th birthday coming around before "the tits and rear end show" would end. We have no way of knowing it wasn't even factored in at audition time. It takes a certain kind of people to make hiring choices that even leave themselves open to such questions being speculated about. IIRC they started setting their plot points in stone after season 4/5 when it became apparent that GRRM couldn't be bothered to finish the story himself. This was also the point where Jon ending the threat of the Others was changed into Arya because 'it just didn't feel right.'
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The show's plot has got nothing to do with the issue
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Happy Thread posted:The show's plot has got nothing to do with the issue We have no way of knowing that for sure.
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The time skip between the last two seasons of Boardwalk Empire was dumb as hell. Also a shame how weak the show ended because the Nucky flashbacks are actually really affecting.
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Happy Thread posted:Not by season 8 they weren't, but season 1 D&D were still heavily interested in their own show... the point is that's how early they were probably quietly joking to each other about Maise's 18th birthday coming around before "the tits and rear end show" would end. We have no way of knowing it wasn't even factored in at audition time. It takes a certain kind of people to make hiring choices that even leave themselves open to such questions being speculated about. "These people are disgusting because in my imagination they were thinking about doing a nude scene 9 years later when they hired this child actor, and you can't prove they didn't have secret disgusting conversations about it so it's definitely true."
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quote:In James Hibberd’s new Entertainment Weekly article sharing some tidbits from his upcoming book, “Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon,” he reveals that showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss gave him three reasons why Stoneheart was cut from the televised tale. https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/the-reason-lady-stoneheart-game-of-thrones-194513041.html
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we didn't want to spoil the books that we were already one hundred percent spoiling
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Bleck posted:we didn't want to spoil the books that we were already one hundred percent spoiling Also "we didn't want to lessen the impact of the Red Wedding" which is why we made the Boltons totally invincible and did away with the Freys in a single scene after pretty much ignoring them for seasons because we cut out a huge subplot that deals with the aftermath.
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Also Lady Stoneheart barely counts as Cat Stark, she's an insanely vengeful wraith, not the Cat we've known and loved for 3 seasons. Whereas when Jon comes back he's....exactly the loving same.
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Also Robb would still be dead, and that was the game changer
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Yeah I don’t see how the impact of the Red Wedding is hurt by Lady Stoneheart, if anything it’s biggest problem is it’s a lot of background scenes and Jaime would have had to focus on the Riverlands instead of the Dorne plot. Which might have been the better call since Dorne was so bad.
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bobjr posted:Yeah I don’t see how the impact of the Red Wedding is hurt by Lady Stoneheart, if anything it’s biggest problem is it’s a lot of background scenes and Jaime would have had to focus on the Riverlands instead of the Dorne plot. Which might have been the better call since Dorne was so bad. I'd say it's pretty charitable to even say what happened in Dorne had a plot.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:The new Penny Dreadful already came out and was canceled after the first season. Don't feel bad for not noticing. drat, that's unfortunate. I remember seeing promos for it everywhere but it never really showed anything sufficient to erase the stink of the first run.
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As Nero Danced posted:I'd say it's pretty charitable to even say what happened in Dorne had a plot. The showrunners kind of forgot about the Dorne
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Bringing characters back from the dead generally sucks rear end and is for cowards and D&D would have biffed it hard, just like they did with Jon Snow.
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you want a good story, but you need the bad plot
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Remember when Lena Headey trolled Instagram about it.
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Van Dis posted:Bringing characters back from the dead generally sucks rear end and is for cowards and D&D would have biffed it hard, just like they did with Jon Snow. Imagine if there'd been some tension about it! Imagine if they hoped it would work, but we'd seen the terrors of him coming back wrong. Gosh, I might have actually cared. Groovelord Neato posted:Remember when Lena Headey trolled Instagram about it. I remember. I also remember in a big group interview after S3 Michelle Fairly was asked what it's like not being on the show anymore, and she loving falls apart all shifty-eyed "uhh...yeah...its....cos I dont get scripts any more" and Sam's actor is cracking up and Richard Madden has to cover for her cos she's gonna give the game away. Those were fun days.
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Piell posted:The showrunners kind of forgot about the Dorne I don't think they forgot, I think they just recognized that the second unit director in Spain was doing a notably bad job even for the show and just cut it to shed sunk costs. Edit: I'm not sure what sort of permission is necessary to film on site in the royal alcazar palace but it might have not been worth getting it again. Bip Roberts fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Sep 24, 2020 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:Remember when Lena Headey trolled Instagram about it. I don't!
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Captain Splendid posted:I don't! 
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Laterite posted:you want a good story, but you need the bad plot
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 IIRC this was in a magazine before season 4 aired.
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I'm pretty sure I saw an interview Masie Williams did where she said that she was given complete choice over how much she wanted to show in that scene. And it's a good scene and fits in with 'episodes 1 and 2 of season 8 are actually really good'. We are shown that Arya has not been consumed by her murder-assassination drive and is starting to pursue her own wants again. She wants to live through this battle.
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Man I just finished season 1. This show had so much potential. Season 1 sets up SO MUCH and none of it pays off or is satisfying in the end. It's nuts. I've already seen the drat show but still got excited watching S1 but then remembered where it ends up sucks
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But that sucks because it means Arya gets all the cool abilities of being a faceless assassin with none of the downsides. The thematic throughline of the self-destructive nature of revenge gets thrown out and we instead get her slaughtering the Freys with no consequence to the plot or her character, and then her entire arc sputters out as she suddenly decides that revenge isn't worth it, despite not really having suffred many consequences in the pursuit of it. At the start of the show pretty much every adult character is carrying around baggage from Robert's Rebellion or other past events that defines their characters and drives their decision making, and by the S8 poo poo like 'dying and coming back from the dead' and 'murdering an entire family' slide of characters like water off a ducks back.
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JustaDamnFool posted:But that sucks because it means Arya gets all the cool abilities of being a faceless assassin with none of the downsides. The thematic throughline of the self-destructive nature of revenge gets thrown out and we instead get her slaughtering the Freys with no consequence to the plot or her character, and then her entire arc sputters out as she suddenly decides that revenge isn't worth it, despite not really having suffred many consequences in the pursuit of it. Some of the characters are locked into their negative behaviours and can't escape them (Cersei, Danny, etc), while some do get to escape them (Arya, Sansa, Theon, probably Jon, probably book-Tyrion). I think exploring capacity to grow and change their path is a core theme of the story GRRM is telling. It's about whether the character has the willingness to step back from the brink. e: in particular one aspect of that is 'are children doomed to repeat their father's mistakes?' Dany absolutely falls foul of the Targaryen curse. The tragic irony of Jon's arc is that to do the right thing and escape his Father's (I mean Ned) failure and fate when in basically the same situation, he has to give up his instinct for an honourable open confrontation and betray Dany's trust to murder her. These are good character arcs, the show botches them but I think they're where GRRM wants the story to go. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Sep 25, 2020 |
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Alchenar posted:Some of the characters are locked into their negative behaviours and can't escape them (Cersei, Danny, etc), while some do get to escape them (Arya, Sansa, Theon, probably Jon, probably book-Tyrion). I think exploring capacity to grow and change their path is a core theme of the story GRRM is telling. It's about whether the character has the willingness to step back from the brink. I guess going over the ledge here would be feeding everyone in King's Landing pies filled with their own poisoned thumbs while their dead grandparents look on approvingly
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I feel like the finale was exactly how GRRM intended on ending the books, and actually getting there was the harder part for him. Then the show rushed it, fumbled half the arcs, missed half the essential characters while botching their own playing pieces (like the Night's King, and a Cersei who lived instead of FAegon), and now GRRM is in a cold sweat because now he knows everyone hates that ending.
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Collapsing Farts posted:Man I just finished season 1. This show had so much potential. Season 1 sets up SO MUCH and none of it pays off or is satisfying in the end. It's nuts. I've already seen the drat show but still got excited watching S1 but then remembered where it ends up Before season 8 I rewatched the show while skipping any boring/bad scene and though I had a bunch of Essos garbage in the good seasons I skipped it was funny how much quicker I was getting through seasons the further I got into the series.
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