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LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

YOUNG CUCKS YOU CAN'T BEAT US YOU'RE LAUGHABLE, TRUMP REALLY WON WE GOTTA STORM THE CAPITAL

THE ACCLAIMED ARE MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN


An insane mind posted:

So much so that idiots were unable to realize he wasn't actually Joffrey.
poo poo like this is why I always scoff whenever people tell me media doesn't affect their opinions on anything.

A ton of folks just wanted to murder Wyatt Russel for being good at his job too. You're telling me nobody's opinion about queer people can be affected by how movies and TV treat us?

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An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018



LividLiquid posted:

poo poo like this is why I always scoff whenever people tell me media doesn't affect their opinions on anything.

A ton of folks just wanted to murder Wyatt Russel for being good at his job too. You're telling me nobody's opinion about queer people can be affected by how movies and TV treat us?

It's literally been the case since before t.v. or even radio was a thing. Some people just can't conceive of the fact that actors are not the role they play.

Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007

I don't know what I just saw.



An insane mind posted:

It's literally been the case since before t.v. or even radio was a thing. Some people just can't conceive of the fact that actors are not the role they play.

Look I'm not saying I'm mad at Dickless from Ghostbusters


He's just not invited to my memorial day barbecue.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Eh.



An insane mind posted:

It's literally been the case since before t.v. or even radio was a thing. Some people just can't conceive of the fact that actors are not the role they play.

My favorite relatively recent example of this was when a bunch of right-wingers got upset that Bradley Cooper didn't hold the exact same conservative political views as Chris Kyle, who he portrayed in "American Sniper". Like they just assumed that he took the role because he believed in the same things Chris Kyle did, and not for the main reason any actor takes a role: to get a paycheck and make a living.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




Sydney Bottocks posted:

My favorite relatively recent example of this was when a bunch of right-wingers got upset that Bradley Cooper didn't hold the exact same conservative political views as Chris Kyle, who he portrayed in "American Sniper". Like they just assumed that he took the role because he believed in the same things Chris Kyle did, and not for the main reason any actor takes a role: to get a paycheck and make a living.

Or how the Heritage Foundation invited the cast of 24, a bunch of pretty liberal actors who know nothing about counter-terrorism and are led by arch socialist Kiefer Sutherland (grandson of New Democratic Party founder Tommy Douglas, aka the man who gave Canada universal healthcare), to a panel discussion on terrorism and how Jack Bauer is actually 100% right and not just a living hell world cartoon character hosted by the now thankfully departed Rush Limbaugh.

Mary Lynn Rajskub talked about in her stand up act once and said she spent the whole panel just cringing and going “Uhh, I don’t know anything about you people are talking about. I just sit at a desk writing affirmational letters to myself while Kiefer pretends to be mad at me and shouts DAMMIT, CHLOE all the time.” She felt legitimately embarrassed that no one else in the room seemed to be able to distinguish fantasy from reality. Oh and Rush Limbaugh molested her live on stage and it was super loving gross

nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 15:38 on May 3, 2021

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018



nine-gear crow posted:

Or how the Heritage Foundation invited the cast of 24, a bunch of pretty liberal actors who know nothing about counter-terrorism and are led by arch socialist Kiefer Sutherland (grandson of New Democratic Party founder Tommy Douglas, aka the man who gave Canada universal healthcare), to a panel discussion on terrorism and Jack Bauer is actually 100% right and not just a living hell world cartoon character hosted by the now thankfully departed Rush Limbaugh.

Mary Lynn Rajskub talked about in her stand up act once and said she spend the whole panel just cringing and going “Uhh, I don’t know anything about you people are talking about. I just sit at a desk writing affirmational letters to myself while Kiefer pretends to be mad at me and shouts DAMMIT, CHLOE all the time.” Oh and Rush Limbaugh molested her live on stage and it was super loving gross

loving Limbaugh. So happy he's dead. I will say that I always smiled at the Damnit Chloe's :p and laughed at the fact that they had Kiefer play a torturing misanthrope.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000





nine-gear crow posted:

Or how the Heritage Foundation invited the cast of 24, a bunch of pretty liberal actors who know nothing about counter-terrorism and are led by arch socialist Kiefer Sutherland (grandson of New Democratic Party founder Tommy Douglas, aka the man who gave Canada universal healthcare), to a panel discussion on terrorism and how Jack Bauer is actually 100% right and not just a living hell world cartoon character hosted by the now thankfully departed Rush Limbaugh.

Mary Lynn Rajskub talked about in her stand up act once and said she spent the whole panel just cringing and going “Uhh, I don’t know anything about you people are talking about. I just sit at a desk writing affirmational letters to myself while Kiefer pretends to be mad at me and shouts DAMMIT, CHLOE all the time.” She felt legitimately embarrassed that no one else in the room seemed to be able to distinguish fantasy from reality. Oh and Rush Limbaugh molested her live on stage and it was super loving gross

Wow, I had no idea Kiefer was a turbo-lefty, that's hilarious. I wonder how much he laughed his rear end off when he got hired to voice act a guy running a group called Militaires Sans Frontières

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhB_3Jz0x_s

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018




gently caress yes

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




Scalia defended Jack Bauer's use of torture during a panel discussion at a legal conference as if he and the actions he took were real.

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000





Groovelord Neato posted:

Scalia defended Jack Bauer's use of torture during a panel discussion at a legal conference as if he and the actions he took were real.

I'll never understand the torture defending the government was doing when their own experts were telling them that torture is in fact almost useless as an interrogation tool.

I mean, I understand it insofar as manufacturing consent for Iraq and WANTING bad intel as long as it was the right intel for that goal and Thin Blue Line Are Troops etc. I don't understand why people keep defending it now that we know all the times they defended it before were bullshit and their own guys were telling them not to.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


Sanguinia posted:

I'll never understand the torture defending the government was doing when their own experts were telling them that torture is in fact almost useless as an interrogation tool.

I mean, I understand it insofar as manufacturing consent for Iraq and WANTING bad intel as long as it was the right intel for that goal and Thin Blue Line Are Troops etc. I don't understand why people keep defending it now that we know all the times they defended it before were bullshit and their own guys were telling them not to.

It's not about facts and logic, it's about what in their hearts they want to do, and then creating a flimsy justification later.

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

YOUNG CUCKS YOU CAN'T BEAT US YOU'RE LAUGHABLE, TRUMP REALLY WON WE GOTTA STORM THE CAPITAL

THE ACCLAIMED ARE MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN


Sodomy Hussein posted:

It's not about facts and logic, it's about what in their hearts they want to do, and then creating a flimsy justification later.
We need to stop treating the reasons conservatives say they want, like, or do things as anything but this.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER


Aw yeah let's politics the gently caress outta this thread. Guys what's worse 2nd Amendment or pro lifers. it's a toughie i think you'll agree

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

YOUNG CUCKS YOU CAN'T BEAT US YOU'RE LAUGHABLE, TRUMP REALLY WON WE GOTTA STORM THE CAPITAL

THE ACCLAIMED ARE MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN


regulargonzalez posted:

Aw yeah let's politics the gently caress outta this thread. Guys what's worse 2nd Amendment or pro lifers. it's a toughie i think you'll agree
If you want anybody to take this bullshit seriously, you're gonna' have to change that delightful custom title.

Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007

I don't know what I just saw.



"Maybe we should give the dogs a vote as well"

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




regulargonzalez posted:

Aw yeah let's politics the gently caress outta this thread. Guys what's worse 2nd Amendment or pro lifers. it's a toughie i think you'll agree

The reason this show was good was it focused on that world's politics.

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely


I never knew about this proposed Confederate tv show but seeing how everything shook out with Game of Thrones I wish that they had went ahead with that.

I love watching a train wreck more than almost anything else, and that would have been an all timer

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010



They should sell their next project as being from the producers of the first four seasons of GoT. It's technically true!

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT


Starsfan posted:

I never knew about this proposed Confederate tv show but seeing how everything shook out with Game of Thrones I wish that they had went ahead with that.

I love watching a train wreck more than almost anything else, and that would have been an all timer

It's not like you didn't get an all-timer train wreck though my dude.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008


nine-gear crow posted:

Or how the Heritage Foundation invited the cast of 24, a bunch of pretty liberal actors who know nothing about counter-terrorism and are led by arch socialist Kiefer Sutherland (grandson of New Democratic Party founder Tommy Douglas, aka the man who gave Canada universal healthcare), to a panel discussion on terrorism and how Jack Bauer is actually 100% right and not just a living hell world cartoon character hosted by the now thankfully departed Rush Limbaugh.

Mary Lynn Rajskub talked about in her stand up act once and said she spent the whole panel just cringing and going “Uhh, I don’t know anything about you people are talking about. I just sit at a desk writing affirmational letters to myself while Kiefer pretends to be mad at me and shouts DAMMIT, CHLOE all the time.” She felt legitimately embarrassed that no one else in the room seemed to be able to distinguish fantasy from reality. Oh and Rush Limbaugh molested her live on stage and it was super loving gross

Very relevant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P52G4Kyq5M

"The thing about Goliaths is that they always wanna be David."

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




Considering how little they understand politics and world building I really do think their Confederate show would've been an even bigger train wreck than the end oft he GOT. poo poo their reason that the Confederacy is still around would've been funny as gently caress.

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely


Groovelord Neato posted:

Considering how little they understand politics and world building I really do think their Confederate show would've been an even bigger train wreck than the end oft he GOT. poo poo their reason that the Confederacy is still around would've been funny as gently caress.

Yeah that's where I'm coming from. The great GOT implosion of 2019 was compressed into like.. 3 weeks..

Everything I've read about these people suggests to me that this Confederate show could have transcended television and turned the world upside down. And it would have played out over years.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis





I love the explanation he gave for that stunt too. He was filming a documentary of the band he was managing's European tour and it was like January 7th, so the hotel they were staying in was going to take down all their Christmas decorations the next morning. So Kiefer decided randomly to pay the hotel management and buy one of the trees, because he was drunk and is Kiefer Sutherland. He then proceeded to leap into the tree he just bought, destroying it.

He's a pirate man

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.


Groovelord Neato posted:

Scalia defended Jack Bauer's use of torture during a panel discussion at a legal conference as if he and the actions he took were real.

Some FBI guy actually said he didn't like 24 because it was giving everybody wrong impressions about torture and intelligence.

Meanwhile George Bush and... I think Rumsfeld said it was their favorite show ever and they wanted it to keep going.

Wasabi the J posted:

Very relevant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P52G4Kyq5M

"The thing about Goliaths is that they always wanna be David."

Yeah I was just thinking about this Bois video. Its so good.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.



Groovelord Neato posted:

Considering how little they understand politics and world building I really do think their Confederate show would've been an even bigger train wreck than the end oft he GOT. poo poo their reason that the Confederacy is still around would've been funny as gently caress.

It would've been a bigger trainwreck in terms of how repugnant people found it, but less in terms of how personally betrayed the audience would feel. GoT was in a unique position as a huge, well-liked cultural phenomenon before it devolved into genuine trash. Confederate would likely have been an obvious misfire from the outset.

But also, the crass and tasteless aspects of GoT's politics would probably offend fewer people anyway because it's medieval fantasy, a setting that is both insulated from real history and already mired in the idea that everyone has alien values about race or class or gender. Dany's messiah shtick feels more motivated because there's a general mythic-ness to everything anyway. It's not "reality." Nobody is actually, literally Yunkish to be offended by their depiction.

A show about how the US still has chattel slavery wouldn't have that excuse. They'd be depicting genuine atrocity that looked very familiar, happening to people who actually literally experience these things IRL. The line between respectful commentary on race and offensive exploitation would be micron-thin, and those dumb assholes would not have the capacity to control which one they were depicting.

Sodomy Hussein posted:

It's not about facts and logic, it's about what in their hearts they want to do, and then creating a flimsy justification later.

Yeah. They're pro-torture because it's scary and badass-sounding, serves the purpose of posturing military strength and ruthlessness. Academics pointing out that it "doesn't work" is completely irrelevant because "efficacy" was never the reason anyway. It serves conservative interests for the US to appear threatening. It's death cult poo poo, not the sort of thing you can rationally debate.

Likewise with child separation...this was never happening because there was a strategic rationale, it was monstrously cruel by design to make immigrants more scared of crossing the US border than whatever they were fleeing in their home countries. Debating the policy using data is like debating the policy of displaying severed heads on pikes.

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.


Zaphod42 posted:

Some FBI guy actually said he didn't like 24 because it was giving everybody wrong impressions about torture and intelligence.

Meanwhile George Bush and... I think Rumsfeld said it was their favorite show ever and they wanted it to keep going.

Having worked in military intelligence I can tell you that anyone in that sector who isn't an outright chud hates 24 because it made all our jobs immensely harder, especially on the HUMINT side. And that extends to civilian agencies as well.

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT


Mat Cauthon posted:

Having worked in military intelligence I can tell you that anyone in that sector who isn't an outright chud hates 24 because it made all our jobs immensely harder, especially on the HUMINT side. And that extends to civilian agencies as well.

I’m sure it was primarily the show and not like, Gitmo, Bagram, Abu Ghraib, and countless black sites. Not to mention blatantly imperialist war.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

Yes, it's like a lava lamp.



Sanguinia posted:

Wow, I had no idea Kiefer was a turbo-lefty, that's hilarious. I wonder how much he laughed his rear end off when he got hired to voice act a guy running a group called Militaires Sans Frontières

Kiefer isn't exactly a turbo-lefty either, he's just a guy that supports public healthcare and public education. He's the kind of guy that the Fox News hosts think of as a turby lefty.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*




Mat Cauthon posted:

Having worked in military intelligence I can tell you that anyone in that sector who isn't an outright chud hates 24 because it made all our jobs immensely harder, especially on the HUMINT side. And that extends to civilian agencies as well.

It's amazing that this just keeps happening. CSI made life hellish for prosecutors, because suddenly the jury pool is full of people who imagine prosecutors are able to deliver loving 8K quality satellite images of the killer doing the crime, together with reverse-hacked DNA sequences and all the dumb poo poo they have on CSI, and when that doesn't happen because life isn't a TV show, it must mean the guy didn't actually do it.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


Shaman Tank Spec posted:

It's amazing that this just keeps happening. CSI made life hellish for prosecutors, because suddenly the jury pool is full of people who imagine prosecutors are able to deliver loving 8K quality satellite images of the killer doing the crime, together with reverse-hacked DNA sequences and all the dumb poo poo they have on CSI, and when that doesn't happen because life isn't a TV show, it must mean the guy didn't actually do it.

After watching Minority Report I am both immensely disappointed and relieved by the actual justice system

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.





Shaman Tank Spec posted:

It's amazing that this just keeps happening. CSI made life hellish for prosecutors, because suddenly the jury pool is full of people who imagine prosecutors are able to deliver loving 8K quality satellite images of the killer doing the crime, together with reverse-hacked DNA sequences and all the dumb poo poo they have on CSI, and when that doesn't happen because life isn't a TV show, it must mean the guy didn't actually do it.

As it should be.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




PittTheElder posted:

Kiefer isn't exactly a turbo-lefty either, he's just a guy that supports public healthcare and public education. He's the kind of guy that the Fox News hosts think of as a turby lefty.

The NDP in Canada is still pretty far left without being out of the mainstream, socialist by American standards, but still not socialist enough by like D&D Leftist "the good must be killed on sight in the name of the almighty perfect" standards. And Keifer is a hardcore Dipper.

Orange Devil
Sep 30, 2010

CUNT


Shaman Tank Spec posted:

It's amazing that this just keeps happening. CSI made life hellish for prosecutors, because suddenly the jury pool is full of people who imagine prosecutors are able to deliver loving 8K quality satellite images of the killer doing the crime, together with reverse-hacked DNA sequences and all the dumb poo poo they have on CSI, and when that doesn't happen because life isn't a TV show, it must mean the guy didn't actually do it.

God forbid people become more skeptical of the evidence provided by US prosecutors before condemning people to a life of slavery and torture. Truly, my heart bleeds for the poor prosecutors.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

sets off a "weirdly specific fetish artwork" vibe

Sky Shadowing posted:


Dany has reason to believe fAegon is fake (the House of the Undying vision and Quaithe warning her against the "mummer's dragon") but she may have gone along with it as an equal partner, since fAegon is indisputably at least of Valyrian blood, and any children they have would be of House Targaryen in both name (as fAegon would still be "Aegon Targaryen") and blood (because they're her kids).


I thought she couldn't have kids no mo.

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)


massive spider posted:

I thought she couldn't have kids no mo.

Any kids that DID happen I should say. She wouldn't be expecting them, but just in case...

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.



Thinking about that I wonder how much of the audience agreed with Dany burning that woman even though she was all “your people raped me and murdered my people, why would I help you?”

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018



bobjr posted:

Thinking about that I wonder how much of the audience agreed with Dany burning that woman even though she was all “your people raped me and murdered my people, why would I help you?”

A lot of white people refuse to see Dany as anything messianic savior. So of course Dany was more than justified to burn that monster.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

Yes, it's like a lava lamp.



nine-gear crow posted:

The NDP in Canada is still pretty far left without being out of the mainstream, socialist by American standards, but still not socialist enough by like D&D Leftist "the good must be killed on sight in the name of the almighty perfect" standards. And Keifer is a hardcore Dipper.

As a fellow hardcore Dipper I promise you it is not very left wing at all these days. Maybe by American standards, but that's no standard at all

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Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.


Orange Devil posted:

I’m sure it was primarily the show and not like, Gitmo, Bagram, Abu Ghraib, and countless black sites. Not to mention blatantly imperialist war.



Yes all of those things had an effect too however 24 was a hit TV show that socialized a lot of harmful ideas about the "right" way to do intelligence work that made it harder to convince the people in charge that actually, no, torture and "enhanced interrogation techniques" were not good things.

Not defending the empire or the MIC or any other harmful, exploitative system. Just pointing out that the lovely propaganda that pervades everything from tv shows to superhero movies makes it harder to get people to not make those systems worse or even understand the basic points of why said systems are bad.

Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 17:25 on May 4, 2021

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