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BSG's ending had some great character moments but there was an awful lot of "oh wow it's so great we finally made it to Earth! now let's all split up into small groups and never see one another again." Also the fact that the kid they spent all that time trying to save turned out to have died as a young woman. So like, she lived juuuuust long enough to pop out a few kids and then got murked. Cool!
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Happy Landfill posted:https://twitter.com/BaldMove/status/1552689971995103234?s=20&t=QDYrdF4aHBSJvXGOoi1Ktg i had my doubts but the Q&A after sold me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3IrMM0jc9M
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I’m guessing it’s going to be the explanation of the race change of House Velaryon. Need to get that out of the way so the racist nerds aren’t writing articles asking how it’s possible for the entire 10 week run. Between that and the non-white non-orcs in the Lord of the Rings 2 weeks later, internet nerds are going to be frothing at the mouths to a level unseen. /pol/ is going to look sane and tolerant in comparison to the online discussion around these 2 shows.
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# ? Jul 29, 2022 02:57 |
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TyrantWD posted:I’m guessing it’s going to be the explanation of the race change of House Velaryon. Need to get that out of the way so the racist nerds aren’t writing articles asking how it’s possible for the entire 10 week run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QunyWALxgps
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Pattonesque posted:BSG's ending had some great character moments but there was an awful lot of "oh wow it's so great we finally made it to Earth! now let's all split up into small groups and never see one another again." Or that everyone presumably was loving pre-language hominids.
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# ? Jul 29, 2022 16:41 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Or that everyone presumably was loving pre-language hominids. mhmmm and also "we definitely don't want to create Cylons again so let's throw away *all our technology*. Oops, I died of dysentery!"
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Honestly I don't know why they didn't just have them land in Bronze Age Greece, which would have aligned nicely with the various Olympian parallels in Colonial society.
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Drunk in Space posted:Honestly I don't know why they didn't just have them land in Bronze Age Greece, which would have aligned nicely with the various Olympian parallels in Colonial society. That was a super common fan theory so I bet they didn’t do it just because of that.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:That was a super common fan theory so I bet they didn’t do it just because of that. It's because they wanted Hera to be mitochondrial eve, so that we're all a mix of human, colonial and cylon. Because blending cultures doesn't count for some reason.
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# ? Jul 29, 2022 18:44 |
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Today I learned that Preston Jacobs, a youtuber known for driving himself insane trying to understand all the minutiae in ASOIAF, is still at it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSgnd3clGbg He once bought a ticket to a dinner with GRRM and went prepped with some question about how his earliest books might have themes that carry over to ASOIAF, and GRRM was like "I dunno man I wrote that book like 45 years ago sounds like you know a lot more about it than me"
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PostNouveau posted:Today I learned that Preston Jacobs, a youtuber known for driving himself insane trying to understand all the minutiae in ASOIAF, is still at it! real "Darth Icky" vibes
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Pattonesque posted:mhmmm TOOT BOOT posted:And then Davos ends up finding him working as a smith in King's Landing. He didn't do a very good job escaping. Now, if the rest of the show were great, we'd all nod along at that making a kind of sense, but once a show shits the bed this spectacularly, all of that poo poo smelling kind of weird starts to matter a lot more than it otherwise would because it has a cumulative effect, and what we're really judging is how things ended up, then finding every way they got there. And there were a lot of them.
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# ? Jul 30, 2022 03:08 |
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Another dumb thing about the BSG final was that the Earth shown previously was just a fakeout and they found the real Earth by inputting notes from a Bob Dylan song as coordinates for the spaceship to travel to.
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The BSG writers did not in fact have a plan for anything.
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# ? Jul 30, 2022 13:14 |
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not a bot posted:Another dumb thing about the BSG final was that the Earth shown previously was just a fakeout and they found the real Earth by inputting notes from a Bob Dylan song as coordinates for the spaceship to travel to. A lot of it was very dumb in retrospect. But in the moment, watching it, when every single one of those twists hit, I loving loved it. The music, the music a second time, fake-Earth, cylon-bones, yet more music, every twist completely pulled the rug out from under you in how you thought the world worked. It owned.
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just couldn’t commit to its own oeuvre: either go with optimism and have the colonials and rebel cylons form a new egalitarian society or commit to the nihilism and have them all fall into the black hole and die.
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not a bot posted:Another dumb thing about the BSG final was that the Earth shown previously was just a fakeout and they found the real Earth by inputting notes from a Bob Dylan song as coordinates for the spaceship to travel to. So either his music is so foundational to human culture that it becomes a basis for all of our cosmic navigation, or he lives long enough to write about space travel. That never ending tour was no joke
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not a bot posted:Another dumb thing about the BSG final was that the Earth shown previously was just a fakeout and they found the real Earth by inputting notes from a Bob Dylan song as coordinates for the spaceship to travel to. That's not right, is it? I thought they HAD found the real Earth in the season finale of one of the later seasons and it was a burnt out husk, and then they just found a nice habitable planet at the end that they decided to refer to as Earth regardless. I could swear I still remember Adama telling Roslin "they're calling it Earth" and her replying "It's not Earth"
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Phenotype posted:That's not right, is it? I thought they HAD found the real Earth in the season finale of one of the later seasons and it was a burnt out husk, and then they just found a nice habitable planet at the end that they decided to refer to as Earth regardless. I could swear I still remember Adama telling Roslin "they're calling it Earth" and her replying "It's not Earth" Yeah, the first one was the "real Earth" in-universe, not in real life. The second one was the reverse.
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Captain Splendid posted:Yeah, the first one was the "real Earth" in-universe, not in real life. The second one was the reverse. yeah the twist is that our real life earth is actually literally Earth 2
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I stopped watching BSG like mid-season 2 sounds like it got real loving dumb
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PostNouveau posted:I stopped watching BSG like mid-season 2 sounds like it got real loving dumb RIght after the Pegasus arc is the perfect place to stop
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Phenotype posted:That's not right, is it? I thought they HAD found the real Earth in the season finale of one of the later seasons and it was a burnt out husk, and then they just found a nice habitable planet at the end that they decided to refer to as Earth regardless. I could swear I still remember Adama telling Roslin "they're calling it Earth" and her replying "It's not Earth" Yeah, but that's one of the dumb things. Originally they were supposed to find Earth (the destroyed one, though they didn't know that) with the help of constellations they found about, which are the constellations of western zodiac and it was commented on when they arrived to the destroyed Earth. Since Earth 2 in the series is the actual Earth we live on, the same constellations are visible as well. And they were guided to Earth 2 by an angel (Starbuck) who used the notes from All Along The Watchtower as coordinates. So Earth 2 was the place they were fated to go to all along, but since the showrunners wrote the story as they went along, it caused problems. At least they didn't have Dave Hill as a writer.
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# ? Jul 30, 2022 16:27 |
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Captain Splendid posted:RIght after the Pegasus arc is the perfect place to stop The New Caprica arc was pretty good too, and arguably featured one of the single best scenes in the show (The Adama Maneuver). The overall downturn in quality didn't really start in earnest until shortly after that. Part of the issue for me was Baltar's interminable scenes on the Cylon basestar, and all the squabbling and bickering among the skinjobs. It made them significantly less threatening and enigmatic than they had been before - this was where it really became apparent as well that all the talk of a 'plan' was complete guff. Baltar's trial at the end of season 3 was great, though, and although some of the Final Five choices were dumb, I thought the build-up to the revelation and the moment itself were well done. I think the only real high point in season 4, aside from the final battle anyway, was the mutiny. I did also like the first shot of them on the fakeout Earth (or Earth 1 or whatever we're calling it), where everyone looks completely crestfallen except for Tyrol, who just stands there smiling at the grand cosmic joke being played on them. Drunk in Space fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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I can forgive a lot of the dumb poo poo the Colonials do, because they're established, pretty much from the start, as a gang of inveterate gently caress-ups. It's the Cylons not having a plan, after years of "and...They Have a Plan!" that sticks in the craw. Captain Splendid posted:RIght after the Pegasus arc is the perfect place to stop Yeah, but then you miss the trial of gaius baltar and the greatest courtroom drama we've ever seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4qDifIN6nU Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Drunk in Space posted:The New Caprica arc was pretty good too, and arguably featured one of the single best scenes in the show (The Adama Maneuver). The overall downturn in quality didn't really start in earnest until shortly after that. Part of the issue for me was Baltar's interminable scenes on the Cylon basestar, and all the squabbling and bickering among the skinjobs. It made them significantly less threatening and enigmatic than they had been before - this was where it really became apparent as well that all the talk of a 'plan' was complete guff. Yeah the whole "and they have a plan" thing rings a little hollow, since the eventually established canon Plan was "genocide all the humans", and they mostly seem to be winging it after that doesn't quite go according to... plan. But honestly the hodgepodge thing we got of disagreements among the Cylons is way more interesting imo. I remember being upset about the religiousness of the ending when I watched it the first time (partly because I was a salty 20 something atheist when it aired), but having watched the show again a few months ago, the ending is great. If anything it's the first few episodes that stick out, they're just so loving all over the place. That and Black Market which is just an unforgivably terrible episode.
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PittTheElder posted:That and Black Market which is just an unforgivably terrible episode. My favorite part of Black Market is when the hooker asks Lee for "another twenty" even though the whole point of the episode is that there is no money and everyone uses the barter system.
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In BSG trivia: here's a reminder that the lady who played Cally got killed off because she wanted to leave the show in order to devote more time to the NXIVM sex torture cult
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Sydney Bottocks posted:In BSG trivia: here's a reminder that the lady who played Cally got killed off because she wanted to leave the show in order to devote more time to the NXIVM sex torture cult Boomer was also somehow included in that.
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Alhazred posted:Boomer was also somehow included in that. oh goddammit noooooooo oh good she's a *former* member Pattonesque fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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Nicki Clyne is still forehead deep sadly. I think she still maintains that Mr. Cult Leader (also possibly her PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 30, 2022 |
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PittTheElder posted:Nicki Clyne is still forehead deep sadly. I think she still maintains that Mr. Cult Leader (also possibly her No, she married Allison Mack
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Also the canon of the show is that Boomer’s kid is mitochondrial Eve.PostNouveau posted:I stopped watching BSG like mid-season 2 sounds like it got real loving dumb Naw, in seriousness, it has some of the best individual episodes of sci fi and an amazing cast. It wasn’t until The Expanse that we got something better in both narrative and production values. The end falls apart and is dumb, but not so dumb that it ruins the previous 60ish hours, for me.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:just couldn’t commit to its own oeuvre: either go with optimism and have the colonials and rebel cylons form a new egalitarian society or commit to the nihilism and have them all fall into the black hole and die. The harder they fought to keep things as they were, and to maintain control, the worse they became. The ending lands a lot better on a re-watch. Once you know where the show's going, you can see how they got there even if there definitely wasn't a plan.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Also the canon of the show is that Boomer’s kid is mitochondrial Eve. I gotta try the Expanse again. I've given it two goes and not gotten pasts like episode 4 both times.
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PostNouveau posted:I gotta try the Expanse again. I've given it two goes and not gotten pasts like episode 4 both times. try to make to season 2 at least.
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Yeah the first three seasons were real good, once you get invested in the mystery plot. The later seasons didn't hold up in my mind, though not in a "this ruined the show" way, just an "I am bored by every scene with James Holden in it" way.
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Pattonesque posted:oh goddammit noooooooo It honestly seems like every canadian actress is a former member. Kristin Kreuk included.
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# ? Jul 31, 2022 09:49 |
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Speaking of the Expanse, it feels like they kind of forgot/stopped trying to make belters physiologically different from earthers and martians after the first few episodes. I get it, that would be hell to keep track of and make production that much more complicated, but still.
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Humans who look like book belters kind of don't exist
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