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Yeah, I’m tempted to say this is just the RtW2 thread, since any thread we start for it would eventually just be reabsorbed into this one.
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Mode 7 posted:What are my options for Ancient-era grog? https://www.hpssims.com/ has a series of ancient era games. Not sure how good they are.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Are there any good guides to getting into Ageod games? Rise of Prussia has a tutorial but it cannot teach me to get good at it. This guy did an AAR of RoP with tips for beginners throughout. It's not incredible but it may be helpful and explain concepts in context, which is nice. RoP is I think one of their simpler games so the other AGEOD stuff usually adds on top (trade, diplo, etc) but combat and leader mechanics are always the same, more or less. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ginners.513080/
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Mode 7 posted:What are my options for Ancient-era grog? For modern games, I really liked Hegemony 3 even though it seems a bit arcady on the surface. Normally even if they are good they only have deep strategy where the ancient part is a veneer but I thought the series nailed the feel of ancient warfare pretty well. Very easy to hold back a million men with a single group of hoplites in a narrow mountain pass. https://www.gog.com/game/great_battles_collectors_edition This series holds up really well since it is based off the board game. I think it uses the simple rules but it doesn't really matter. As for the last one I don't know if this game even runs on modern systems anymore but I really liked slitherine's gates of troy/spartan. It's another grognard version of total war but it has extremely period specific diplomacy and combat is completely hands off in a good way. They stopped patching it tho so it has trouble with win 7/8/10 StrixNebulosa posted:Are there any good guides to getting into Ageod games? Rise of Prussia has a tutorial but it cannot teach me to get good at it. Go to the AGEOD civil war 1 (not 2) and look at the strategy subforum. There are lots of links there to how exactly take advantage of the combat system and what values you need to look at in the unit to know if it is good or not. Since the core game is identical across the series they pretty much apply to every game. Also look closely at your supply rules since that is the heart of the game. Basically what you want to do is always be expanding your supply network and work towards that, always try and defend and not attack, keep cohesion high, and always buy reinforcements before new units. dtkozl fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 19, 2019 |
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Apr 19, 2019 21:06
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so... do you think rtw2 is gonna be good i find it disconcerting none of the dev diaries have been with majors like us or uk. I want to see a battle with more than 3 carriers involved.
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Apr 19, 2019 21:27
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Don’t even joke about that! It will be good, it must be good.
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Apr 19, 2019 21:33
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Smaller-scale operations like the ones shown are much easier to break down and show off all the new bells and whistles they've added. The rest is mostly scaling. We already know the engine can handle lots and lots of ships (I've had scenarios with 60-70 total ships in RTW1, with no problems), and one of the devlogs had a tester accidentally deploying a ludicrous number of torpedo bombers, so we know the engine can handle that. Apart from that, we're almost going to be seeing quite a lot of balance issues (just like the first game), but those will be patched out fairly easily.
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Stairmaster posted:so... do you think rtw2 is gonna be good Uhh, MODS?!?!!
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corn in the bible posted:This guy did an AAR of RoP with tips for beginners throughout. It's not incredible but it may be helpful and explain concepts in context, which is nice. RoP is I think one of their simpler games so the other AGEOD stuff usually adds on top (trade, diplo, etc) but combat and leader mechanics are always the same, more or less. Thanks! dtkozl posted:Go to the AGEOD civil war 1 (not 2) and look at the strategy subforum. There are lots of links there to how exactly take advantage of the combat system and what values you need to look at in the unit to know if it is good or not. Since the core game is identical across the series they pretty much apply to every game. Thanks! I find it funny how sometimes learning a wargame is more complicated than my trig homework. 
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Apr 19, 2019 22:46
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Thanks for the options. I think out of what I was looking at Fields of Glory II looks like what I'm after. Might throw it on my wishlist and wait for a sale though, I've bought enough games this month already that I'm not playing.
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William Miller, NWS posted:Carrier effective aircraft capacity-per-displacement-ton in RTW2 will reduce as time goes by to reflect later model (i.e. larger and heavier) aircraft coming into service...this is somewhat abstracted but does give more realistic number of carrier capacity as aircraft inevitably increase in size & weight. Neat. I wonder if I should try compiling another "Tidbits" collection.
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Field of Glory update for those not interested in the videos.  3rd - actually 2nd, but they took the end of my video where I pushed to take all of Rome. and seeing as I took more provinces than the winner in only 4 more turns, I'm drat happy with myself!
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An interesting thing I think we’re seeing with RtW2 is the growth of NWS from a totally niche studio into a slightly less totally niche studio. Like, Fredrik isn’t quitting his day job or anything, but they’ve had a lot of interest in RtW2, they’re updating their store in some way yet to be announced, and William is saying that RtW was their first game that was pirated in any noticeable numbers, so RtW2 is going to have copy protection. Galaga Galaxian posted:Neat. I wonder if I should try compiling another "Tidbits" collection. It could be helpful—if I get time this week I might go back through some of the bigger threads over there and compile some things. The tidbits collection is really useful, I totally didn’t realize that the “auto ammo selection” button didn’t actually do anything until I read Fredrik admitting it.
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In CMANO I've been trying to work my through the suggested mission list that someone put together and noticed that a bunch aren't in the community pack. Do people put scenarios on the Steam workshop? I have The Silent Service installed which is a separate game in Steam. If I install the normal client instead will it know to give me the sub missions and whatnot? Also some of the missions are really well done and fun and others are also well done but sort of rely on a bit of bullshit for difficulty. Like the Midway vs Cuba mission that throws like 50 Mig-21/23s at you in waves and launches a strike force ball of MIG-29s near the end. Any player without clairvoyance will have at least half of his fighters rearming and won't be able to really stop it, so the 'challenge' is to play unrealistically enough to fight off the final wave that had been apparently just been hanging out watching their countrymen get slaughtered for 8 hours.
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Apr 20, 2019 12:28
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I had to pirate rtw on my second time around because i changed credit cards between and couldn't install it anymore without the info of the old one.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:In CMANO I've been trying to work my through the suggested mission list that someone put together and noticed that a bunch aren't in the community pack. Do people put scenarios on the Steam workshop? I have The Silent Service installed which is a separate game in Steam. If I install the normal client instead will it know to give me the sub missions and whatnot? If you buy the campaign packs, like Silent Service, it'll appear in your CMANO base game. I don't recall if you have to install the standalone pack too. Agreed on the missions too, the tempo can be rather erratic. I think a bit of foreshadowing would be helpful. The Midway example you used is a great example where some intel could help you know to prepare for an onslaught, otherwise here you are running a normal CAP and getting slammed without any real recourse. Realistically there's the day after where the MIG-21/23's wouldn't be able to defend home turf and would get stomped by land based bombers. A bit tougher to model that. It can be really tricky to plan out a good opfor, especially over a long scenario. Either you need to script it and assume the player will follow mission path rigidly, or get more generic with patrol areas and strikes to respond to the player. The scripted path is probably what the scenario designer did for the Midway example, then all they have to do is set a few strike missions and let you the player deal with it. A "Meeting Engagement" between two naval powers where each has room to maneuver would be really interesting to setup the OPFOR on. So yah, lots of words to say YMMV depending on who made the scenario. Edit, more scenario designers should account for plane losses in the scores. A surviving air force with a mediocre mission completion is infinitely more valuable than a wiped out air force with a mission success. Hardly worth tossing out the air force and leaving yourself susceptible to follow up attacks. Force preservation just probably isn't as much fun as launching every damned plane and watching it all burn. Yooper fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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Party In My Diapee posted:I had to pirate rtw on my second time around because i changed credit cards between and couldn't install it anymore without the info of the old one. The NWS forums are now filling up with people getting irate about DRM, some out of principle, others for reasons like this. They’ve said they’re giving consideration to letting you install it on two computers but that’s not confirmed.
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Oh jesus I bet they've gone for some special snowflake drm that is nothing remotely like an accepted industry standard and will work purely because no pirate will bother to crack it but will be super annoying to all consumers.
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Alchenar posted:Oh jesus I bet they've gone for some special snowflake drm that is nothing remotely like an accepted industry standard and will work purely because no pirate will bother to crack it but will be super annoying to all consumers. quote:THE ANTI-PIRACY SYSTEM FOR RTW2
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:In CMANO I've been trying to work my through the suggested mission list that someone put together Mind sharing this list (or letting me know where to find it)?
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Ahh yes, drm is well-known for deterring piracy late in the games lifecycle. From the description it sounds onerous enough I might not bother with buying it unless it's a massive success.
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That actually made me think: Given how many of these grog games resemble RTW in their Microsoft Visual Basic interface and the fact that they're unheard of, if there were no DRM I bet you could have gotten a pretty large install base for RTW of accidental pirates by just saying, "Yeah, it's free and made by some guy in his garage, check it out," and people would be none the wiser.
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It's always fun seeing the grognard dev say 'We did our research and this was the best option available" and yet they've somehow come to the opposite conclusion of everyone else in their industry.
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waiting for another serial in the mail because i changed my monitor
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Grog devs gonna grog dev. 
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Oh man I didn't know about the garbage DRM. who cares how many computers I have it installed on? And you need permission to reinstall it? I may pass on RTW2.
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It's fine. It'll probably be turbo easy to bypass
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Just wanted to let everyone know that I do not care one bit about drm and I would prepurchase RTW2 right now if I could.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:In CMANO I've been trying to work my through the suggested mission list that someone put together Post the list please?
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Obfuscation posted:Just wanted to let everyone know that I do not care one bit about drm and I would prepurchase RTW2 right now if I could. I'm looking forward to a week after release where people have codes that don't work and are having to resort to uninstalling and reinstalling the game to reset the clock to play it. e: I've got no principled objection to drm at all. Developers deserve to get paid for their work. I object to objectively terrible implementation of drm when there are much better solutions on the shelf that these devs aren't going for because they are stubborn.
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COOL CORN posted:Post the list please? This thread maybe : http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4599077 ?
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Alchenar posted:I'm looking forward to a week after release where people have codes that don't work and are having to resort to uninstalling and reinstalling the game to reset the clock to play it. Eh, I mean aside from steam et al. there aren't really many options these days to be fair, ever since optical media distribution virtually died on PC.
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Denuvo, completely horrible poo poo that it is, seems to be handling it for most of the companies that either need something besides steam or are using it in addition to steam.
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Zaodai posted:Denuvo, completely horrible poo poo that it is, seems to be handling it for most of the companies that either need something besides steam or are using it in addition to steam. I imagine that's both expensive and given that it slows down the CPU with decryption operations might not be a great fit for a game like this anyway. Really I just want them to use Steam (or another store but seriously what's the point of not using steam), or if they really have to at least make it as unobnoxious as possible.
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I bet everyone paying for the game will have the horrible 2 computer limit/permission system, while pirates just replace the .exe and can enjoy the game freely.
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Private Speech posted:I imagine that's both expensive and given that it slows down the CPU with decryption operations might not be a great fit for a game like this anyway. In fairness to Denuvo, as much as I hate it, part of the problem is that devs put it in MAXIMUM HITLER mode. Fun fact, you can make it check for piracy EVERY FRAME! You really shouldn't do that, but there's at least one case where that's how it was configured. You can imagine how brutally that destroyed performance for any game. You can, if you want to, set it to much more reasonable DRM modes (with tradeoffs in being easier to crack), down to even the oldest school of DRM, where it just does file validation on launch. I don't know what the costs are, but I can't really believe home rolled single install linked to your hardware trash DRM was the only thing available to them. It's more likely it's just their 1980s PC mindset making them think it'll work better.
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Zaodai posted:In fairness to Denuvo, as much as I hate it, part of the problem is that devs put it in MAXIMUM HITLER mode. Fun fact, you can make it check for piracy EVERY FRAME! You really shouldn't do that, but there's at least one case where that's how it was configured. You can imagine how brutally that destroyed performance for any game. They said something about refusing to have third party partners so they probably really did cut their own options all the way down.
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