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AlbertFlasher
Feb 14, 2006

Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

Saros posted:

Be nice guys we are all friends here.





lol this is so good

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Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!



I can't get over how peak boomer that signature is. CUSTOMER SINCE 2003.

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

KAWAIIII~~~


Jesus Christ. What the gently caress is wrong with these people? I go to reset my password (because for some reason it isn't working). It then brings me to some Matrix/Slitherine page that clearly shows my username, account, password, etc. It even says, "Hello {Username}," so it is clear I'm actually logged in.

Then, when I go from that page to either the Matrix or Slitherine individual sites (using the links for those drat sites that are on the page) to buy something, neither of them recognizes the same drat user name (or email address associated with it), and neither will let me log in again (let's not even ask why I would need to log in again in the first place).

I swear to god, why is it so difficult for these people to do website things that the average mall shop nail salon figured out 10 years ago?

SlyFrog fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Jun 4, 2020

Bold Robot
Jan 6, 2009

Be brave.


Outrageous Lumpwad

Saros posted:

I can't get over how peak boomer that signature is. CUSTOMER SINCE 2003.

Username "Steely Glint" is great too, I can only imagine it is 100% unironic and earnest.

Neophyte
Apr 23, 2006

perennially

Taco Defender

Saros posted:

Be nice guys we are all friends here.



Boy I really hope someone got fired for that blunder!

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!





Young Indiana Jones lookin good!

Saros fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jun 4, 2020

Libluini
May 18, 2012

Did I predict the future?


Grimey Drawer

Saros posted:

Be nice guys we are all friends here.



Aww. Now I wish I had enough money left over this month, because this guy is tempting me to spite buy and spite having fun with blatantly posting screenshots of tanks while spite-describing them as infantry or whatever this kind of guy thinks is the most annoying

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

KAWAIIII~~~


Good god. They literally have a link that says, "To get support please login to your account and go to Helpdesk."

Um, geniuses, what if the thing you need support for is an inability to login to your account?

EDIT: Good loving god, even their "Contact Page," requires you to log in before you can go to a support function.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!



Theres a support email, support@slitherine.co.uk

Dimitris
Apr 11, 2017


SlyFrog posted:

Jesus Christ. What the gently caress is wrong with these people? I go to reset my password (because for some reason it isn't working). It then brings me to some Matrix/Slitherine page that clearly shows my username, account, password, etc. It even says, "Hello {Username}," so it is clear I'm actually logged in.

Then, when I go from that page to either the Matrix or Slitherine individual sites (using the links for those drat sites that are on the page) to buy something, neither of them recognizes the same drat user name (or email address associated with it), and neither will let me log in again (let's not even ask why I would need to log in again in the first place).

I swear to god, why is it so difficult for these people to do website things that the average mall shop nail salon figured out 10 years ago?

I actually had that issue a while ago. If you contact their support they should be able to sort you out.

Dimitris
Apr 11, 2017


Saros posted:

Be nice guys we are all friends here.



That's actually a mild case, compared to some other types.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!



Well I guess at least he's not an actual nazi so there's that.

Lol he's back.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4823733

Saros fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Jun 4, 2020

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

pretense is my co-pilot


After resetting my password, I've reached the point where instead throwing errors when I try to login, it simply just refreshes the login page without comment.

Am now recalling why I didn't apply for the Shadow Empire beta

edit:

Grog Website nooo

TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jun 4, 2020

Squiggle
Sep 29, 2002

I don't think she likes the special sauce, Rick.



Soiled Meat

AARP LARPer posted:

aw c'mon man, it's not like that. you have to admit it's kind of funny that a group of people who pride themselves on enjoying spreadsheet games like WITP can be flummoxed by a website. in the spirit of Saros' post above, i really do apologize for my tone. take care.

It's okay, I'm sorry and I love you, I am just dying on a four hour Zoom meeting and lashing out at everyone.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

It's up for sale on Slitherine's website as well for people like me who don't like shopping on matrix.

SIGSEGV
Nov 4, 2010


I'll wait for it to land on Steam, with luck there'll be mods to add stupid poo poo at that point.

Also that official forums thread is great and I love it.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

Do you party?


Well, I just got Shadow Empire. Did you think Alpha Centauri was a complicated game? You were wrong

Saros posted:

Be nice guys we are all friends here.



This is hilarious because the first thing I noticed was, these guys are motorized infantry, this is the wrong symbol

habituallyred
Feb 6, 2015


Earlier I was asking myself, "Do I want to wait and pay more for the game just to show that people will buy it on Steam." 20% is enough of a difference that I won't wait.

This is a broader grognard thing so I posted it here instead of the SE thread.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

Do you party?


Okay this is bad enough:



But it gets worse. If you zoom out, they're armor:



I'm just gonna go have a little lie down, I think

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation. I actually named my daughter after the Pink ranger and will provide proof if challenged.


I'm GOING to be SICK!!!

Hippocrass
Aug 18, 2015


Foo Diddley posted:

Okay this is bad enough:



But it gets worse. If you zoom out, they're armor:



I'm just gonna go have a little lie down, I think

Does Matrix do refunds!

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

Do you party?


Hippocrass posted:

Does Matrix do refunds!

Awesome game, nonetheless

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!



Yeah the NATO symbols thing is genuinely baffling, Vic has made several wargames with proper symbology so it's very odd that he seems to have chosen to go with an extremely abridged set here. The most egregious one is the AT guns using the artillery symbol.

Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

Do you party?


Saros posted:

AT guns using the artillery symbol.

You really know how to kick a guy while he's layin' down, don't ya

Lotti Fuehrscheim
Jun 13, 2019



At least it is better than those multiplayer games of Advanced Tactics Gold, where people choose misleading NATO symbols for their units on purpose.

These symbols in Shadow Empire still show the right mobility type, kind of.

And it may be that today NATO has a strict set of symbols, those symbols have been been used with quite a lot of variations in the past by different armies, and using them in the modern way for even WWII is already an anachronism, let alone for 6000 years in the future.

Mandatory Assembly
May 25, 2008

it's time to get juche


Lipstick Apathy

Man, Shadow Empire is the most purestrain grog experience I've had in years.

Blowing the dust off of a Matrix Games account that hasn't been logged into since Obama's first term. Giving Slitherine my shipping address for some reason.

A windows installer that seems to date back to Windows 95.

A launcher that opens a PDF manual.

Incredibly ill-advised vocals in music over an intro cutscene that feels like a bad powerpoint.

My body is ready.

Saros
Dec 29, 2009

Its almost like we're a Bureaucracy, in space!

I set sail for the Planet of Lab Requisitions!!



Lotti Fuehrscheim posted:

At least it is better than those multiplayer games of Advanced Tactics Gold, where people choose misleading NATO symbols for their units on purpose.

Habituallyred I'm never forgiving you for that one!

[e] I think the billing/shipping address is because the matrix/slytherine lot are the weirdly excessively rule following strain of brits and they compulsively add the right VAT/sales tax for your country/state to sales. There's someone on the matrix forums right now complaining about being charged more because they are from Texas which has an online sales tax

Saros fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jun 4, 2020

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016



everything about shadow empire rules.

be gone, heretics

Lotti Fuehrscheim
Jun 13, 2019



Saros posted:

I think the billing/shipping address is because the matrix/slytherine lot are the weirdly excessively rule following strain of brits and they compulsively add the right VAT/sales tax for your country/state to sales.

This may change, now that the UK seems determined to abolish the rules based society.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006



Dominic Cummings uses the tank nato symbol to mean infantry with body armour, and the anti-tank gun one for tanks.

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Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011


https://store.steampowered.com/app/...ican_Civil_War/

Victory and Glory: The American Civil War is out from the same people who have done Victory and Glory: Napoleon and Hannibal- Rome and Carthage.

It is a strategic-level turn-based game, with abstract "tactical battles". The entire feel of the game is very boardgame-like, including cards and activation limits. Unlike the previous two games, you can play both sides in this conflict and the game is thus more "balanced", the other two games being very (realistically) punishing in terms of winning battles but still losing the war anyways.

I think the game is very enjoyable and the art is really nice. The UI is clunky, of course, in particular the "zoomed-in" map area of Virginia/Maryland/DC. My main gripe with the game is that there is quite a lot of dice-rolling (every time a unit attacks, checks to recover, checks for routing hits, etc), and that dice-rolling is important. The fact that there are so many dice-rolls does mean that the law of averages will eventually apply, but it may feel particularly unfair because the game does a poor job of communicating why the rolls work out the way they do (although the game will list modifiers, there is no clear formula being spat out telling you what you rolled). One specific event card is particularly broken imo, which is the Lee/Jackson card and the flank bonus it can give. The bonus may be "faithful" to history, but the in-game engine application is quite significant.

Overall I recommend the game.

Ghost of Mussolini fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 5, 2020

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