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ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

Shaggar posted:

lol at euros whining cause they cant compete without the ability to arbitrarily punish superior american companies. sorry you guys write trash software that nobody would use if they werent forced to us it

The US government just invades your country and replaces the government with hand-picked dictators rather than levying fines. Po-tay-to po-tah-to.

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akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

ewiley posted:

The US government just invades your country and replaces the government with hand-picked dictators rather than levying fines. Po-tay-to po-tah-to.

you’re mixing the eu and the middle east

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

really we should lay down sanctions each time the eu fines a us company

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



animist posted:

they should make them pay more

yea, it's been piddly slap on the wrist poo poo so far

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




akadajet posted:

really we should lay down sanctions each time the eu fines a us company

even better, your tech companies could just stop offering services in eu

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

cinci zoo sniper posted:

even better, your tech companies could just stop offering services in eu

hey something we agree on

akadajet fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Dec 30, 2021

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

cinci zoo sniper posted:

uk app was one of those iirc. uk app did also simply not work if the phone language was not set to english

I have to assume this one was on purpose though

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Shaggar posted:

or the massive, arbitrary penalties they have to pay
2.8 billion out of 182.5 billion (or 161.85 in 2019) in revenue isn't the full 2% of their revenue that the gdpr sets as maximum and even if it was it's hardly going to make a dent - and on top of that, it's not even 7% (or 3.11% in 2019) of their profits

BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Dec 30, 2021

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

you need to move the stock price, not the balance sheet, for management to pay attention

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Subjunctive posted:

you need to move the stock price, not the balance sheet, for management to pay attention

Moving the balance sheet makes the stock price move for longer

Gaukler
Oct 9, 2012


Did the EU fine Microsoft under the GDPR and Shaggar swore a blood oath to Post Badly On The Internet or is it more general chauvinism?

I work for a Nordic company and they are definitely very concerned about GDPR compliance, in addition to the fairly strict national laws. They take that poo poo seriously and we have minimal exposure to user data.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
But yeah, it's all bullshit without prison sentences anyway

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Gaukler posted:

Did the EU fine Microsoft under the GDPR and Shaggar swore a blood oath to Post Badly On The Internet or is it more general chauvinism?

I work for a Nordic company and they are definitely very concerned about GDPR compliance, in addition to the fairly strict national laws. They take that poo poo seriously and we have minimal exposure to user data.

americanposting is his other gimmick, defending everything from fahrenheit degrees to walmart morning rituals

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Gaukler posted:

Did the EU fine Microsoft under the GDPR and Shaggar swore a blood oath to Post Badly On The Internet or is it more general chauvinism?

I work for a Nordic company and they are definitely very concerned about GDPR compliance, in addition to the fairly strict national laws. They take that poo poo seriously and we have minimal exposure to user data.

the discussion started when some joker was confused as to why a german company was getting away with wanton privacy and data security problems wrt covid testing. the reality is those data protection laws are only enforced against us companies as a fee collection mechanism. no eu government cares about local companies violating those rules

Gaukler
Oct 9, 2012


Shaggar posted:

the discussion started when some joker was confused as to why a german company was getting away with wanton privacy and data security problems wrt covid testing. the reality is those data protection laws are only enforced against us companies as a fee collection mechanism. no eu government cares about local companies violating those rules

Yeah and everyone who works for/with European companies are saying this is bullshit.

The German issue is because the privacy-violating company is a friend of the outgoing CDU government.

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


Shaggar posted:

the discussion started when some joker was confused as to why a german company was getting away with wanton privacy and data security problems wrt covid testing. the reality is those data protection laws are only enforced against us companies as a fee collection mechanism. no eu government cares about local companies violating those rules

are you apu-ing a €50m fine to google and a €18m to noted tech company marriott hotels?

two things can exist: gdpr is applied to european companies and member state governments being corrupt as gently caress in order to protect their special carve outs and pet industries

besides, none of those fines really matter, because all tech companies' money is legally made on null island, which is famously outside of any legal jurisdiction. we are all looking for the guy who set up all those branch companies all over the world that never ever make any money

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

that’s enough shaggaring for this thread

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


edit: nevermind

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






don't engage the shaggar, he only posts in bad faith

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer

cinci zoo sniper posted:

even better, your tech companies could just stop offering services in eu

If GDPR successfully killed social media somehow i would absolutely move

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



ZeusCannon posted:

If GDPR successfully killed social media somehow i would absolutely move

that would own so much

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



cinci zoo sniper posted:

yeah, they’re essentially an auth proxy between the gapple apis and respective national healthcare authorities. latvian is just like what you describe - “turn ios tracing on” page, national stats page, and settings menu to input your phone number, and governmental tracking case code if you get it

in europe the notable exception was uk’s nhs (well, england and wales specifically), which initially decided to roll their own covid crypto, and only began to switch away from that failure in june 2020. then later, still unsatisfied with not being able to spy on people via the apis, they tried coaxing users into upload their location history https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56713017
yeah early on england decided they'd make their own app, so scotland and ni got very tired of waiting so built their own to the eu spec using the native google/ios apis. all of the apps work together now iirc

as usual with covid whenever it says uk they really mean england (and sometimes wales), health being devolved and public health england renaming itself to ~uk health security agency~ really confuses folks

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Scotland should just declare independence already imo

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



give it a year, they're gonna

ErrorInvalidUser
Aug 23, 2021

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
"it'll catch up...i swear...give it time...*dies waiting*"

Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano
sturgeon is controlled opposition. look what they did to salmond

ErrorInvalidUser
Aug 23, 2021

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
not my one quick trick :hotpickle:

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



looks like "view source" is going to be a legally recognized hacking tool in missouri soon: https://boingboing.net/2021/12/30/reporter-likely-to-be-charged-for-using-view-source-feature-on-web-browser.html

even the fbi disagrees.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

governors don't charge people with crimes, anything from the AG office?

quote:

[A] state cybersecurity specialist informed Sandra Karsten, the director of the Department of Public Safety, that an FBI agent said the incident "is not an actual network intrusion.

assuming the director of public safety is in charge of the state police that means nothing is going to happen

hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Dec 31, 2021

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



hobbesmaster posted:

governors don't charge people with crimes, anything from the AG office?

assuming the director of public safety is in charge of the state police that means nothing is going to happen

i haven't seen anything but in a shithole like that it's no trick at all to find some prosecutor who will throw the book at a reporter.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
a sufficiently angry and unscrupulous governor can definitely take it to trial but it should be possible to mount a very strong defense with expert witnesses here

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe
the Missouri AG is running to fill a vacant Senate seat in ‘22 so who knows how this will go.

Midjack posted:

i haven't seen anything but in a shithole like that it's no trick at all to find some prosecutor who will throw the book at a reporter.

shithole like what? the entire state?

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Hed posted:

shithole like what? the entire state?

the world, op

how poo poo the hole is depends on the verdict

kitten smoothie
Dec 29, 2001

the missouri AG isn't the one who would bring the charge, thankfully, because that guy would not hesitate to try to throw the book at them. he's already convinced a judge to invalidate every health department's authority to do their job and do any kind of pandemic control

it was referred to the prosecutor in the county that's home to the state capital, who while is a republican appears to be way less of a chud than most

boingboing is quoting the governor's opinion on the likelihood of charges, and let's not forget he's a loving idiot and as far from being a lawyer as you could possibly get

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
it really depends on the strength of the governor's political machine, probably

any sane prosecutor isn't gonna take a case where it's already been revealed that:

a) the FBI said there was no crime
b) the education department was originally gonna publicly thank the reporter

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



this poo poo wouldnt fly in the eu

just saying

maybe some similar poo poo would and did, but that case nu-uh

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe
yeah, the governor of missouri's sovereign authority in portugal is significantly diminished

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Volmarias posted:

Moving the balance sheet makes the stock price move for longer

nah

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



rjmccall posted:

yeah, the governor of missouri's sovereign authority in portugal is significantly diminished

i meant the .. the opposite, no prosecutor would have gone for it & if they did, no judge would have accepted the charge as valid. its patentely ridiculous

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champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Carthag Tuek posted:

this poo poo wouldnt fly in the eu

just saying

maybe some similar poo poo would and did, but that case nu-uh

a danish it professional found out a municipality webpage was spewing out protected personal information if you supplied it a personal id number (unhelpfully these are called cpr numbers). no authentication or checks just feed it a number and you get that persons information.

the numbers are all ten digits so if you wanted every Danes information out of the system just feed it every number in sequence from 0000000000-9999999999 and sift out the errors


anyway the courts and municipality wanted to throw him in jail forever for the crime of telling them about their system being bad

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