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MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

I'd have a set of summers and a set of winters and use the winters for the months were it get's a bit colder and be confident that I'd have better tires than 90% of other people on the road. But I'm a Swede and deeply indoctrinated in the "summers n' winters set" thing. Maybe a great all season tire if it almost never snows and you can stay home if it does. But summers >>>>> all seasons at summer temperatures.

Edit: We don't even have all season tires for sale that are approved because they are "poo poo" according to the government. A ton of people advertise cars with all seasons, but in reality they are just winter tires that they run all year round (which is legal).

Oh and to contribute. I run Goodyear EfficientGrip Performance on both my cars. I chose it because of the good reviews combined with decent price and low dB. I wouldn't say it's super quiet, but good all around. I drive <200hp cars though, so a real performance car might do better on Pilot Sports etc.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Apr 20, 2019

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MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

Of course got a flat tire on my rear left. Brand new Goodyears as well. Seems to be a slow leak.
Tire places and mechanics that do tires here do something they call (directly translated) "umbrella repairs" that are supposed to be permanent. Might be hard to answer, but can tire repairs generally be trusted? It's about 40-50% of the cost of a new tire.
Also, my car has one of those lovely repair kits so I am praying for it to for once work and get me to a tire shop...

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Labour costs in Sweden. I'm actually surprised it's that cheap. The repair is $47 (including mounting and balancing it), the tire ~$100 then there is mounting cost and balancing cost, so probably ~£130 in the end. Goodyear Efficientgrip Performance. Goodyear might have some warranty, but I probably missed some step in the fine print.
Good to hear the repair is reliable. I'm going to try that first. Thanks guys.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 10:56 on May 3, 2019

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Charles posted:

That's an inexpensive tire. What size is it?

225/45R17 91V. Yeah they are a good deal for a premium tire. The "model" is a couple years old but got high marks and finished top 3 in many of the Swedish tire tests, and I have them on my other car. Was considering Pilot Sports but was unsure of how loud they are.

Was just outside and used the good and pump kit. Worked very well and the tire had no problem going up to the factory 2.1 bar. Booked it in for repair in 40 minutes. The fact that air doesn't rush out and that it was easy to get pumped up must be a good sign. At least in my mind.

Update: They couldn't find anything wrong with the tire. Only charged me about $3 in the end (for taking off the tire from the rim). Good.. I guess?

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 11:52 on May 3, 2019

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

Goodyears aren't garbage. Like the EfficientGrip Performance model has consistently finished in the top 5 range in Swedish tests (which are pretty well conducted) the last few years. One thing that truly is garbage though is relying on the EU decibel ratings for outside noise when it comes to choosing tires. That and online reviews.

That being said, I'll probably go for Michelin's the next round to try something else.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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So I'm looking at buying a new car that has stock tire dimension of 215/55R17. Seems like it's a slightly odd size, because the Continental WinterContact TS 860 are hard to find (if not impossible) in that size. It's available in 225/50 R17 though. Should be very close in final diameter according to calculators, but what about the extra width? How much "play" is there with tire widths?
Trying to get the dealer to include winter tires and do not want to get the junky crap KIA ships their cars with.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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sharkytm posted:

There's quite a bit of slack in the measurements. Those will be fine. Good luck getting them swapped in, no one wants the stock tires, and they're "used". In general, I go narrower and taller on snows, it gives a better contact patch shape and a little more sidewall to protect the wheel.
Thanks! I wish I could go down to 16" rims for winter months, but I found that apparently the Optima PHEV won't fit 16" according to the manual. Oh well.
I'm looking to get the additional set of rims which is customary in Sweden (as we generally have 2 sets of wheels and tires). Either that or get them to knock off the $ of the sticker price so I can buy them myself. Another KIA place said they wanted $1100 for their rims+tires, which I think is Nexen/Kumho winter tires. Pricing it out myself I land around $1100-1500 for a set up which kinda stings as it's a legal requirement from December 1st.

Seems like 5x114.3 is pretty common though, so finding rims shouldn't be too hard. But the dealer doesn't have to know I'm willing to buy second hand. :P

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Is there some reason you're stuck on the TS 860s? you can also stretch a 205/55R17 on that wheel size.

Won the Swedish Teknikens Värld tire test in the Mid-Euro Winter Tires category, which is the type of tire they actually recommend now if you live in the south of Sweden since the government has decided that these types of tires are now legal. MUCH better performance in the wet/slush than the typical nordic winter tires, and since we only get a few days of snow which quickly turns to slush it seems safer to be much safer 90% of the time, than 10% of the time. They still perform well in snow/ice conditions, just not nearly as well.

Preoptopus posted:

5x114.3 is a common Japanese size as well so you can see if you could find a set used off someones Toyota or Honda or score them at a junk yard if there is such a think where you live.

Yeah I noticed this, very happy that I'll be buying into a common pattern. Been stuck with Alfa Romeos not so common pattern. Trying to get the dealer to either throw in some rims, or better yet just discount from the price and I'll go buy some second hand ones. Winter rims purely functional in my opinion, so rather not deal with new perfect rims anyway.

jamal posted:

If you're going with a slightly different winter tire size, narrower and taller is better than shorter and wider. I'm not seeing a good option to do that for 17" tires though.

It could still also be possible to use 16s so i wouldn't completely rule that out. 215/60-16 is a tire size that exists and is the right diameter.

Yeah I was hoping that, but the owners manual states that the 16" dimensions are not for the PHEV. Don't know why it would actually make any difference apart from perhaps bigger brakes due to more weight of the PHEV. I'll look into narrower and taller. I tried to find the tire dimension that gave the least difference in speed reading as a guage of close to OEM fitment.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i for one would not get that hyped up about a specific brand of nonperformance tire but good for you

Wouldn't say I'm hyped up, I just enjoy the fact that it finished best in test in the category and seems to be universally well received test-wise. Our Swedish magazines take their winter tire testing very serious lol. With the comparitavly (to crashing a brand to car, that is) low costs of buying a good set of tires I want to get the best possible for my conditions. Cheap insurance!

Thanks for all the help guys.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Those look very nice and what a great price!

I'm tiring already of dealing with dealers selling cars from under me after we pretty much agreed on the car. Latest dealer wants to sell me crappy Kumho Nordic Friction tires. If it can't be helped I'll have to just accept the tires and either swap and eat the cost or live with semi-crap tires for a couple of winters.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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They placed 5th in Swedish "Vibilägare" (big car magazine that, like many Swedish magazines, do proper tire tests) in 2017. Placed 4th in Swedish ADAC test 2018. So shouldn't be terrible.

In my own tire news I managed to get best in test nordic frictions included in the price of the new car instead of the old tech Kumhos they wanted to include at first. Very pleased.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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22 Eargesplitten posted:

The PA51s? Maybe it’s because I’m trying to find Swedish results in American Google but I only see the HS51 summer tire.

Yeah that's true, sorry I didn't see that the results swapped the PA51 to HS51.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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I think we should stop refering to winter tires as snow tires in this thread.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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InitialDave posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lplaTRkPjTg

I never knew that American "all season" tyres weren't quite the same as european ones.

Didn't know this either. Does explain a ton though...

Edit: Also, unrelated but saw you uploaded new videos. Youtube didn't notify me. Watching now!

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Oct 15, 2019

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Ultimate Mango posted:

I now have a car with neither runflats nor a spare. It came with an inflator kit and can of what I assume is fix-a-flat goo.

Am I correct in understanding that the goo kills our very expensive TPMS sensors? As in, if I get a flat, I am better off getting a flatbed to take me to a tire place?

Don't know about the TPMS, but I was adviced by my tire guy that the goo isn't supposed to be cleaned and they have to discard the whole tire if it was used. This is in Sweden though, so much be more lax rules in the US.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Continental has made some properly good winter tires this year it seems. They won in all 3 categories tested in a Swedish magazines test (Swedish tire tests are probably among the best ones IMO). Best studded tire was the Continental IceContact 3. Best friction tire was the Continental ContiViking Contact 7. Finally, the best middle european friction winter tire (new category as these are now legal here in Sweden) was the Continental WinterContact TS860, which also finished 5th overall.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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LRADIKAL posted:

I haven't decided on anything. Sounds like the two shops are steering me wrong with all weather?

Let me back up to the beginning.

I have these stock, efficient rear end tires on my car. I want some winter tires, maybe not snow tires, but something grippier. It seems like the stock tires are pretty good, efficient, smooth and long lasting for summer drives. I want to swap all four wheels for the fall/spring/winter. Snow hasn't been happening here much lately, but I understand that even an all weather tire will give me better, safer performance during the cooler weather. Previously it was reccomended that going to a 16" rim would be a little cheaper and possibly a bit more performant.

I'm open to suggestions, I'm pretty ignorant about tires. Thanks.


gently caress off?
https://forums.somethingawful.com/b...hp?userid=81123

One reason for asking which tires you have currently is to get a feel for what kind of tires you are "used" to. It's pretty lazy to ask for help and not even bothering to find out what tires you currently have. Not to mention the bad attitude.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKtnczk8Mxk

Good stuff.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

So I totally forgot that KIA fits Nexens as OEM tires on their cars and I forgot to ask them for it when I bought the car... so now I'm stuck with lovely Nexen N'Fera SU1's that also were called "so bad that they are dangerous" in the recent Swedish summer tire test. Fitting the test winners, Michelin Primacy 4's will set me back about $1k. FML
Can't stand the thought of getting rid of brand new tires. At least I remembered to get the best winter tires thrown in.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Apr 9, 2020

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

RIP Paul Walker posted:

I’ve eyeballed those Nexens before... if you have winter tires and understand what happens to summer tires below 40 degrees I think you’ll like what you have. They’ll be way stickier and more fun than the Primacy. Not sure what kind of “summer tire test” that is but they don’t appear to be testing tires I’d class as summers, any Primacy sure as poo poo isn’t.

I always have a set of winters and summers since it's the norm here in Sweden. I always try to buy premium. Both the Nexen and Michelin class the SU1 and Primacy 4 respectively as summer tires. IMO the tire tests that Swedish magazines do are the most thourough I've seen done.

I guess I'll have to give them a shot, especially as I won't be doing the long planned road trip due to COVID19.

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MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
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Thauros posted:

1. How bad are Nfera SU1's going to be in cold weather? I live in the US and not the southern hemisphere so I have a while before I need to worry about it but I just bought a car with what looks like a brand new set.

The Nfera SU1s' a pretty garbage and I regret forgetting not having the dealer put decent tires on my KIA (Nexen are OEM). Scored pretty poo poo in Swedish tyre reviews as well, so I would imagine that they are pretty poo poo in cold weather as well. I can't justify throwing away brand new tyres, but I also can't wait to get rid of them when they are worn down. Another bad thing about them is that they are not well balanced. Had my usual guys fix it as well as it could be, but still got vibrations. My winter tyres (premium test winners) are a dream to drive on.

Also, I bet you bought a KIA/Hyundai.

Edit: Oh and after my car has been sitting for a couple of days the tires lose their shape and will bounce the car a bit for the first km or so. Very annoying.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jul 24, 2020

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