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I'd settle for them actually trying - I'm an archaeologist and I can't pronounce half this poo poo but I'll at least do so the same way each time
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I wouldnt hold out for the streamers when pdx representatives says 'Selusulids'
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Apr 23, 2019 09:32
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Magissima posted:I'm seeing a lot of my biggest mapgame streamer pet peeve, which is when they "apologize" for pronouncing things wrong but don't bother to try and learn the correct pronunciation, or sometimes even read the whole word. There's one guy playing Maurya who clearly put in some effort to get the Indian names right, which is cool, but there's so many more "Seculids" and "Ingvaeon— I'm not even gonna try to pronounce this one" For the streamers most of their viewers aren't really gonna know how to pronounce this stuff either (though I bet there's a lot of assholes who think they do, probably based on having played Rome Total War 1 about 15 years ago, and don't know that they're also getting it wrong), so it's kind of ridiculous to go about apologizing for pronouncing stuff wrong. Seriously either just pronounce it as its written and looks to you and don't worry too much about it, or if you do, look up a couple of them and take a guess. Based on what some here are saying I'm guessing that alot of people who watch streams probably just enjoy watching their English/American apologize for not being able to pronounce poo poo right, then arguing in chat over who is most correct (likely with all being incorrect).
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Apr 23, 2019 09:35
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And this is where being Italian is actually an advantage, rather than a thing you get teased and mocked about. I can pronounce the vast majority of those names correctly because I am a descendant of Rome itself 
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Apr 23, 2019 09:43
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If they don't pronounce Balx correctly they should have their copy of Imperator permanently revoked.
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Apr 23, 2019 09:43
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MegaZeroX posted:*Carthago supremum est Nope, Carthago is feminine, so suprema is correct.
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Apr 23, 2019 09:48
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TorakFade posted:And this is where being Italian is actually an advantage, rather than a thing you get teased and mocked about. I can pronounce the vast majority of those names correctly because I am a descendant of Rome itself As could be said for most other Latin/Romance language speakers really. It's just a different flavor of correct, really, those are just as much Latin-based languages as Italian and have gone through just as much change.
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Apr 23, 2019 09:53
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"Carthage"? If you can't pronounce Q'art-hadasht, you shouldn't be allowed to play this game. For real though saying things w Roman phonetics (or pseudo-Roman phonetics) is fun.
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Apr 23, 2019 10:08
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Can't wait to blow a few thousand hours of my life away
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Apr 23, 2019 10:10
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First Phrygia as Fergia and now Macedon as Mack-a-don. Arumba's Phrygia play-through is unwatchable.
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Apr 23, 2019 10:13
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TorakFade posted:And this is where being Italian is actually an advantage, rather than a thing you get teased and mocked about. I can pronounce the vast majority of those names correctly because I am a descendant of Rome itself
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Apr 23, 2019 10:19
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Minto Took posted:Arumba [...] is unwatchable.
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Apr 23, 2019 10:24
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These are words and names from 2000+ years ago, if you think you are pronouncing them "correctly" you probably aren't. Still, thinking about it, it shouldn't hurt anyone to just look up how a couple of letters and diphthongs generally are supposed to sound and go from there, that way you'll atleast probably avoid "Fergia" and "TRI-ARE-EE-EYE!". Alot of English/American people seem to be hit with some kind of moron ray the minute they see something that looks a little bit different and immediately go about thinking it's much harder than it actually is (though of course that's subjective, what is and isn't hard largely depends on what language you've grown up speaking) even when its soudns and poo poo that they actually have and use on the regular.
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Apr 23, 2019 10:26
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Dwesa posted:Like Caesar being turned into Cesare? Whenever I hear how you guys pronounce Caesar, I automatically think  No but seriously, it's actually baffling to me and I think many French/Spanish speaking people (maybe a little less so since Italian is remarkably similar to actual old times Latin, more than other romance languages for pretty obvious reasons) - those who speak languages derived from Germanic - so English, Scandinavians, Germans... - really seem to not be able to get most of the sounds right. Just as I can't pronounce any city name containing -brough to save my life, now that I think of it. I tried saying Middlesbrough to a native speaker once many years ago, and I think he's still laughing to this day well I am hella bored, and I want to watch someone play Imperator; I already watched the first 4 official LPs (the ones limited to 120mins playtime), currently going through Mordred Viking's Langobardia migratory tribe but I find it a little dry... what else is highly recommended? By now I don't need more explanations of basic mechanics, I just want a funny and cool, well edited let's play.
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Apr 23, 2019 10:56
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Randarkman posted:(though I bet there's a lot of assholes who think they do, probably based on having played Rome Total War 1 about 15 years ago, and don't know that they're also getting it wrong) I don’t care how many times I hear people pronounce it imperAtor, it’s always gonna be imPErator to me
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Apr 23, 2019 10:59
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Randarkman posted:For the streamers most of their viewers aren't really gonna know how to pronounce this stuff either (though I bet there's a lot of assholes who think they do, probably based on having played Rome Total War 1 about 15 years ago, and don't know that they're also getting it wrong), so it's kind of ridiculous to go about apologizing for pronouncing stuff wrong. Seriously either just pronounce it as its written and looks to you and don't worry too much about it, or if you do, look up a couple of them and take a guess. The thing is, you're not going to know how to pronounce everything correctly. That's basically impossible and unreasonable to expect. Yet a large number of idiots in your stream chat will get on your case and yell at you for getting pronunciations wrong, so what's a streamer to do other than say sorry, but I just don't know how to pronounce this poo poo and I can't stop to research every single represented country and language for my dumb video game stream.
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Apr 23, 2019 11:47
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The thing is, you're not going to know how to pronounce everything correctly. That's basically impossible and unreasonable to expect. Yet a large number of idiots in your stream chat will get on your case and yell at you for getting pronunciations wrong, so what's a streamer to do other than say sorry, but I just don't know how to pronounce this poo poo and I can't stop to research every single represented country and language for my dumb video game stream. I think Randarkman's point summarizes the "problem" much more accurately than "they mispronounced Caesar as See-zer and not Kai-ssar!" That stuff is bearable to me, and I don't mind it. But... Randarkman posted:Alot of English/American people seem to be hit with some kind of moron ray the minute they see something that looks a little bit different and immediately go about thinking it's much harder than it actually is ...like people who say "Salusalids" or other extremely weird poo poo where they just insert random and nonexistant consonants as if they are incapable of just reading the word phonetically absolutely grates on me. It's "nukular" instead of "nuclear" turned up to 11. vvv It's not too much to ask that a person who earns their actual legitimate living from speaking on camera is actually decent at speaking their language, shocker I know.
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Apr 23, 2019 11:54
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It doesn't matter how you pronounce these names  who loving cares.
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Apr 23, 2019 11:55
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grammar nazis eunt domus
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Apr 23, 2019 11:56
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Communist Walrus posted:grammar nazis eunt domus pls this is the imperator thread. "grammar patricians" tyvm
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Apr 23, 2019 11:57
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Drone posted:pls this is the imperator thread. "grammar patricians" tyvm That's actually patriciani grammatico
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Apr 23, 2019 12:03
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The day I looked up Phrygia on Wikipedia and saw /ˈfrɪdʒiə/ up there is the day the little grammar patrician in my heart died, because ew, really? ...though I see now they also suggest an classical Greek [pʰryɡía]. Marginally more acceptable. e: speaking of native English speakers and a determined refusal to engage with a string of phonograms as phonograms, I’ve seen some people who are just completely befuddled by my current username. It’s, like, four consonant/vowel pairs terminated by a nasal, what the gently caress are you playing at? KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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Apr 23, 2019 12:05
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Now I want to make a day-one comedy mod that replaces all nation names with their IPA spellings.
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Apr 23, 2019 12:09
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I will never stop complaining about pronunciations, this stuff has already been Anglicised for you, aaaah Admittedly this is a road that ends with me butchering the phrase 'Basilion Rhomaion' or whatever madness CK2+ has gone for
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Obliterati posted:Admittedly this is a road that ends with me butchering the phrase 'Basilion Rhomaion' or whatever madness CK2+ has gone for Just call it the "Kingdom of the Greeks", that's the proper name for that place.
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Apr 23, 2019 12:11
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The only complaint I have with English handling of Latin names is their fascination with dropping us/ius whenever possible. Marcus Antonius sounds like an accomplished general. Mark Anthony sounds like a late '90s porn star.
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Apr 23, 2019 12:52
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Pre-ordered this game earlier this week. Played a poo poo-ton of CK2 but never really clicked with EU, but hoping the blend of the two in this one will rock. Was Phrygia an independent kingdom at the start date? I thought it was part of the Seleucid domain at that time irl.
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DrPop posted:Pre-ordered this game earlier this week. Played a poo poo-ton of CK2 but never really clicked with EU, but hoping the blend of the two in this one will rock. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ipsus so shortly after
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Apr 23, 2019 12:59
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Lawman 0 posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ipsus so shortly after Neat! Thanks.
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Randarkman posted:Nice. Hope it won't be too long out. What are we looking at here, sorry?
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Obliterati posted:That's actually patriciani grammatico lol can we get a thread title update already? Imperator - Rome: pls this is the imperator thread. "patriciani grammatico" tyvm
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Communist Bear posted:What are we looking at here, sorry? Johan decided he can represent the dual consulship of the republic the day before release :paradox: e: wow is there actually no paradox smilie
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Consider myself hyped. I hope the desyncs aren't unbearable. The game is going to be fun at launch, it's going to be the poo poo after a few DLC's.
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Apr 23, 2019 13:43
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Vichan posted:Marcus Antonius sounds like an accomplished general. Mark Anthony sounds like a late '90s porn star.
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Apr 23, 2019 13:47
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Communist Bear posted:What are we looking at here, sorry? Back in the consul dev diaries people were bitching you only had 1 consul. Johan's reply was having multiple office holders was too hard to balance/ bad gameplay so they didn't put it in. Now a few days before launch they're putting it in. e: games not even out yet and it's already in the Paradox loop of waiting until the next cool feature is added before playing it. V for Vegas fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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V for Vegas posted:Back in the consul dev diaries people were bitching you only had 1 consul. Johan's reply was having multiple office holders was too hard to balance/ bad gameplay so they didn't put it in. Now a few days before launch they're putting it in. Yeah just read the dev diary. That does seem rather silly. Guess we can be glad that the update will be coming but yep...here we go again...
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V for Vegas posted:e: games not even out yet and it's already in the Paradox loop of waiting until the next cool feature is added before playing it.
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