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A a brief slapfight between bootlickers defending TotenKnight and others ensued. Concerned folks gave FLG the benefit of the doubt, insisting that it must be an honest mistake. As FLG is incapable of such a thing, Reece steps in again:  Because of course the second thing you want to do when your business is posting Nazi iconography is:
Fash Rating:  /5Collaborator Rating: /5Luke Barker - StrikingScorpion82 SS82 (or SS1488, if you’re clever) is a popular YouTuber, famous for posting battle reports that feature the batrep unicorn of well-painted armies on beautiful terrain, through a camera that isn’t being held by Michael J. Fox. His Richie Benaud-esque tones round out an overall pleasant viewing experience. In 2016, out of loving nowhere, Luke decides to post a long pro-Brexit rant to his channel. One that blitzes the fash bingo card with complaints about a loss of traditions, culture, laws, identity, and flags (yes, loving flags), thanks to immigrants, who he describes as “snakes”. While Luke was quick to take the video down, he has remained mum on having posted it in the first place. And while I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt and think that he’d changed his views, goon adamantium|wang noticed a recurring guest in Luke’s battle reports: adamantium|wang posted:Okay so I had to go back to the videos and take some more screens. There are 2 SS82 batreps (CTS 43 and CTS 44)against a Guard player named Jensen Regan who has made some questionable design choices with his dudes. Not a good look, Luke. Fortunately, adamantium|wang let him know that he might have made an oversight: adamantium|wang posted:
Welp. Fash Rating:  /5Collaborator Rating: /5<Mod edit: Leperflesh removed personally identifying information about an industry participant that was here. Contact site admins/Jeffrey if you need details.> Ash Barker - Guerilla Miniature Games Ash is Good again. Per Z the IVth: Z the IVth posted:Have a reply from GMG Harold McNeill - White Wolf moths posted:MtG artist Harold McNeill is probably best known for Invoke Prejudice: Despite not playing Magic, I didn't have to look far into this one. From White Wolf Wiki: White Wolf Wiki posted:McNeill is open about his white supremacist politics, and his non-commercial artwork frequently includes Nazi imagery, making him a controversial figure in the gaming community. Apparently he no longer contributes to either game, but I'll leave this up for posterity and in case anyone is recommended his work. Fash Rating:  /5Michael Bell - MANHammer/SEGStudio Michael is a complex man of many facets. Unfortunately, all of them are some variation of a 14 year old edgelord. Michael runs MANHammer, a painting studio which, if the name didn't give it away, is dedicated to thots, biotruths, and tiggering the libs. When he's not busy painting titty minis, he's writing about how not mad he is at people who point out that he's an adult who paints titty minis. "But Big Meaty," you say, "Michael might be a piece of poo poo who hates women, but he's not fash, right?" First of all, gently caress you. Fash can take on many forms, and oppressing women through gender roles and stereotyping, and generally being a creepy piece of poo poo, is fash as gently caress. But in case you disagree (again, gently caress you), you're in luck:  To the shock of absolutely no one, this gently caress associates with Pepes and Keks. But in case you needed more: About a year ago the 40K Badcast (if you aren't already, subscribe right now what the gently caress is wrong with you) did a Very Cool and Good episode about fash in 40K, and our boy was among those called out. Fortunately for the public record, he's a big enough idiot to have responded:     I, uh, yeah... Fash Rating:  /5Who is Good? See this post for thread recommendations. Thanks B4tBG for making the suggestion. Let's keep working to out these fucks and keep our hobby fash free. Somebody fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 23, 2023 |
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This is a good as hell resource. Thanks.
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This thread seems like the perfect place for an effortpost on the while White Wolf debacle too, especially with Bloodlines 2 coming up soon I'm sure there will be questions. I wish I were informed enough on the subject to be the one to do it.  To actually contribute something, I will xpost a post of mine from the 40k thread a while back: Deified Data posted:So here's a thing I want to reiterate that they might have just picked symbols at random for this roller, but considering how hard you have to bend over backwards to tie the black sun symbol to the ancient norse and how easy it is to see associated with the modern right, it sounds like a longshot to me. And, still being charitable, this symbol being included on this roller may not be indicative of a larger fashy culture at Green Stuff World so much as a single fash designer that got one in under the radar. This definitely bears further investigation and probably an email to GSW actually confronting them about it. I'll procede with that shortly and post the results. Hope they're not fash! I genuinely like their products.
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Any good alternatives to Guerilla Miniatures? Something with tons of content released very often. I didn't realize he was a fascist sympathizer.
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The only game I play is Infinity and while we don't have an outright facism issue with Nazi paint jobs, it's not to say we're entirely clear. One of the armies has a subfaction composed of endlessly crusading Space Catholics complete with a Space Pope. This tends to draw a lot of far right religious hard liners who love to cheer Deus Vult and poast crusade memes. Infinity also has a problem with "sexy sculpts" and that tends to draw a lot of alt right creeplords.
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The only good fascist is a dead fascist. Good job everyone, we must remain vigilant.
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Deified Data posted:This thread seems like the perfect place for an effortpost on the while White Wolf debacle too, especially with Bloodlines 2 coming up soon I'm sure there will be questions. I wish I were informed enough on the subject to be the one to do it. Yeah that looks sketchy, but good call on checking in first. This isn't a witch hunt, let fash out themselves (and they always will). I know bits and pieces of the WW drama but hopefully someone more into that scene can comment. Thanks everyone.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Any good alternatives to Guerilla Miniatures? Something with tons of content released very often. I didn't realize he was a fascist sympathizer. I have a small stable of guys - none of them release all that often, but subbing to enough of them you'll probably have a new video from someone every other day which is enough for me. Winters SEO is pretty popular around here for batreps, his buddy Sorcerer Dave is similarly cool. The MWG guys are weird in other ways but I've never heard the first thing about them being chuds. Glacial Geek is a cool, positive guy. I'm always interested in hearing people's thoughts about Tabletop Tactics after Bone's idiotic "roman salute" thing during a batrep. I for one thing it was naive and not at all intended the way it looked but I've been wrong about people before. Incidental to this, they're probably the best video batreps out there at the moment so it'd be a drat shame if they were chuds. They don't really give me that vibe, though.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:The only good fascist is a dead fascist.
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In defense of GMG, while Duterte is an awful piece of poo poo he isn't quite at the same level of notoriety as Hitler and Trump et al. From the look of it there was one comment that made a fuss of it and I wouldn't blame him for ignoring it since the internet is full of loons and if you were ignorant of the true facts it can easily be seen as such. He didn't reply to any of the comments to that video so who knows if he's read them. I can imagine if someone showed up wearing an Aung Sun Suu Kyi shirt and then people start accusing them of being genocide apologists. The last some people would have heard of her was when she won the Nobel Peace Prize. If you've actually messaged him directly or the issue has been raised repeatedly and he's actually defended it then it's no excuse and I withdraw the statement. If no one's contacted him then I volunteer to do so and will report back. In the current climate I don't feel it's massively helpful to brand people fascist collaborators without the benefit of doubt if the issue could be attributed to ignorance. See the UK where the right-wing press are constantly giving poo poo to Corbyn because he 'Liked' a mural of capitalists oppressing BAMEs that was later revealed as anti-semitic by the artist. Same thing with the GreenStuffWorld roller - someone should really email them about it.
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Luke Barker - StrikingScorpion82 aw man... that was honestly one of the few channels i liked because it really was a pleasant viewing experience 
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Z the IVth posted:In defense of GMG, while Duterte is an awful piece of poo poo he isn't quite at the same level of notoriety as Hitler and Trump et al. From the look of it there was one comment that made a fuss of it and I wouldn't blame him for ignoring it since the internet is full of loons and if you were ignorant of the true facts it can easily be seen as such. He didn't reply to any of the comments to that video so who knows if he's read them. What kind of a rock must you be living under to not know about duterte and his death squads?
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Booley posted:What kind of a rock must you be living under to not know about duterte and his death squads? I know of Duterte and his death squads because I'm from SEA. The UK press has not reported on it for quite a while. Even the MSM back home barely report on it. Hell there's barely any news about the weekly riots and atrocities in loving Paris. The Western press really does not report on a lot of things that don't concern them, and outside of infrequent 'specials' you can be forgiven for not knowing what the latest genocide occuring in the third world is occurring. As I said, it's not Nazis or any good old western fascism so I am willing to give him the benefit of ignorance. hard counter posted:aw man... that was honestly one of the few channels i liked because it really was a pleasant viewing experience Winters is similar but with less filler and no fash. Superior choice IMO. Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Z the IVth posted:I know of Duterte and his death squads because I'm from SEA. I'm not saying you don't know about him, I'm saying the battlereport guy is being willfully ignorant. Even if you don't know who he is, it seems irresponsible to let someone wear a political shirt on your channel if you don't agree with it.
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Z the IVth posted:Same thing with the GreenStuffWorld roller - someone should really email them about it. They've been emailed and we're awaiting a response. Not so sure about the Duterte stuff though - he was informed but proceeded to ignore the information. He definitely knows who Duterte is now in any case.
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Booley posted:What kind of a rock must you be living under to not know about duterte and his death squads?
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That wasn't the only comment on the video about the shirt, and <mod edit: removed PII> response was the same. Even if <mod edit: removed PII> thought those folks were loons, <mod edit: removed PII>' replies should have been a huge red loving flag. <mod edit: removed PII> reads and replies to comments, his silence is enough for me. Go ahead and contact him and if he genuinely recants and takes down all of <mod edit: removed PII>' vids then I'll update the OP as such. Also: Booley posted:What kind of a rock must you be living under to not know about duterte and his death squads? Somebody fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 23, 2023 |
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Booley posted:I'm not saying you don't know about him, I'm saying the battlereport guy is being willfully ignorant. Even if you don't know who he is, it seems irresponsible to let someone wear a political shirt on your channel if you don't agree with it. Did he know who the fucker was though? He could have been some obscure pop star for all you know. You have a really high opinion on how well-informed the average person in the West is about the poo poo that goes on in the far east. Deified Data posted:They've been emailed and we're awaiting a response. Now this is far more definitive. I will prod him and see what he says.
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One thing I would appreciate is if we maintained a sense of positivity by also emphasizing alternatives. For example, I enjoy the batreps from Winters SEO. From a moderation perspective I encourage the use of the report button. I'm all for consumers voting with their dollars, but threads like this can easily become toxic.
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MtG artist Harold McNeill is probably best known for Invoke Prejudice: Yikes, is that the Klan? But he's also done Lightning Blow:  Which looks a little Sig rune-y, but  Uhh... 
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Z the IVth posted:Winters is similar but with less filler and no fash. Superior choice IMO. haven't winters and ss82 done collaboration videos together? i know that on its own doesn't necessarily mean anything but i'm a little worried about how deep this all goes and what other names i'll see here
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I've mentioned before that a Proud Boy was an occasional customer at the local GW store. Showed up for his first game with an unpainted and poorly-glued Mortarion and a start collecting box/Dark Imperium worth of stuff, got into a 2v2 game, a Death Company squad on my team obliterated his Morty, he got real salty. I could tell I didn't like him, but didn't realize he was an actually lovely person and not just annoying when he started saying stuff like "ah, that guy raped me" in reference to a unit attacking his troops or whatever. My reaction was more "whoaaaa" in a sort of  way. But then at some point during the game, his sleeve rolled up on his shirt and revealed his Proud Boy tattoo. For the record, I didn't read his shirt, but I see flags all the time on ex-mil guys and didn't put two and two together until the tattoo was exposed. So what I thought was just an awkward young shithead turned out to be a fascist, and a pussy. I saw him several weeks later and didn't respond to his greeting, I had already told the manager who I was friends with to beware of the fash kid. Then a month or two later he came in, tried to shake my hand when he saw me, I looked at it like it was covered in poo poo and turned my back to him. Haven't seen the little turd since. Good riddance, bitch 
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Deified Data posted:I have a small stable of guys - none of them release all that often, but subbing to enough of them you'll probably have a new video from someone every other day which is enough for me. Bone’s thing is being the “toga Tau”. He wears Roman togas to tournaments. In the immediate battle report after the report with the salute, they briefly mentioned that the salute had bad connotations and would not be seen again on the channel. Idk, on a base level I think they are innocent and just didn’t put two and two together... but on the other hand this hobby is full of idiots and fascists so who can say.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:One thing I would appreciate is if we maintained a sense of positivity by also emphasizing alternatives. For example, I enjoy the batreps from Winters SEO. I dig this. I'll reserve this space for those posts and link from the OP. Mel the Terrain Tutor is excellent for terrain building. Tabletop Tactics are another heavy hitter in the batrep scene. They did have that misstep with a "roman salute" that they addressed and apologised for, so they stay on the Good List. Geeks Wargaming are similar to Winters though run shorter batreps and update less frequently. SkaredCast is Dark Eldar focused but diversifies a bit. Tabletop Assault have a pretty steady output and explain things pretty well as they go. Sorcerer Dave per the thread. Often features on WintersSEO. Per Asmodai_00: Rerolling Ones PLASMO Miscast Terrain Soastro Luke Towan Per Z the IVth: Batreps: Hellstorm Wargaming Painting: Sorastro's Painting Terrain and Wargaming: Black Magic Craft Wyloch's Armory BIG MEATY SHITS fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Bone’s thing is being the “toga Tau”. He wears Roman togas to tournaments. In the immediate battle report after the report with the salute, they briefly mentioned that the salute had bad connotations and would not be seen again on the channel. the difference is going "oh hey whoa lets not do that again" vs 
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Oh and my goto for Battle Reports is Rerolling Ones I've heard good things about Sorcerer Dave as well. Some hobby channels include: PLASMO Miscast Terrain Sorastro Luke Towan Asmodai_00 fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Apr 23, 2019 |
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Bone’s thing is being the “toga Tau”. He wears Roman togas to tournaments. In the immediate battle report after the report with the salute, they briefly mentioned that the salute had bad connotations and would not be seen again on the channel. Yeah that's why it was pretty easy for me to give the benefit of the doubt as a long-time fan, but for someone who's first exposure to TTT was that video I'd probably have noped out of there immediately. Unrelated, but I would still suggest an entry in the OP for Arch at some point BMS, if only because of his hancho status among these people). I might also suggest The Quartering, who dips his toe in a lot of stuff but focuses mainly on MTG from what I gather. I 100% understand why you left guys like these out, because who doesn't know they're horrible, but it might help to make a more comprehensive resource in the long run for hobbyists who are less online than we are. 
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:He wears Roman togas to tournaments. Playing Tau is enough of a stigma as it is.
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Deified Data posted:I'm always interested in hearing people's thoughts about Tabletop Tactics after Bone's idiotic "roman salute" thing during a batrep. I for one thing it was naive and not at all intended the way it looked but I've been wrong about people before. Incidental to this, they're probably the best video batreps out there at the moment so it'd be a drat shame if they were chuds. They don't really give me that vibe, though. I saw Bones at LVO and actually said I appreciated how they handled the whole roman salute thing (I expect everybody on YouTube to double down on that poo poo), and he was clearly regretful of the whole thing and didn't make any excuses about having hosed up. The entire fact that nobody caught it at any point until it was already posted doesn't reflect great on their intelligence as a whole, but I feel comfortable that they're not malicious.
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Inspector_666 posted:I saw Bones at LVO and actually said I appreciated how they handled the whole roman salute thing (I expect everybody on YouTube to double down on that poo poo), and he was clearly regretful of the whole thing and didn't make any excuses about having hosed up. I'm glad they were cool about it, because those two are some of the funniest BatRep crew out there.
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Some of mine: Batreps Hellstorm Wargaming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCO9E15IR5AuowkXl2SbHAHQ Painting Sorastro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?Sorastro Terrain - Some DND but there's some good stuff for wargaming as well. Black Magic Craft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UC2Rlv-ug-mtnXuMwlpcqFgg Wyloch's Armory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCrKJd7jQ989DZvtf5C69mYA
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There's that guy who got punched for being a Nazi at some convention last year, his whole twitter feed is full of massive right-wing rants and bitching about being punched for being a nazi. I think he used to be big in the MtG community before he got banned for being a fascist prick. I think it's Jeremy H something, his name comes up a lot, but I'm not going to look him up.
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My read on the TTT thing is that at best they were thoughtless about it and at worst they knew what it looked like and thought they were just being a bit naughty, and then were surprised by being told how garbage it was. They seemed duly embarrassed in the next video and straight up said "yeah we won't be doing that again" and didn't attempt to defend it or make hay out of it, so for now they're ok in my book.richyp posted:There's that guy who got punched for being a Nazi at some convention last year, his whole twitter feed is full of massive right-wing rants and bitching about being punched for being a nazi. I think he used to be big in the MtG community before he got banned for being a fascist prick. That's The Quartering who was mentioned above. Jeremy Hambly. He's a piece of poo poo.
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Deified Data posted:Glacial Geek is a cool, positive guy. I was gonna lurk, but I figured I'd echo this. I've played games and ran tournament events that he's been in and he's excellent. Although I don't much engage with 40k anymore.
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TheBigAristotle posted:Proud Boy  moths posted:MtG artist Harold McNeill is probably best known for Invoke Prejudice: Deified Data posted:Unrelated, but I would still suggest an entry in the OP for Arch at some point BMS, if only because of his hancho status among these people). I might also suggest The Quartering, who dips his toe in a lot of stuff but focuses mainly on MTG from what I gather. I 100% understand why you left guys like these out, because who doesn't know they're horrible, but it might help to make a more comprehensive resource in the long run for hobbyists who are less online than we are.
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Cessna posted:Can we add anyone who unironically goes in for that "God Emperor Trump" crap? What was the name of the artist. Gigantic own goal IMO.
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HOO BOY. HAVE I BEEN MAD ABOUT THIS FOR AWHILE. I present without further introduction, Warren of Beasts of War.  Edit: adding link to thread https://www.beastsofwar.com/featured/blood-culture-world-of-darkness-community/ Brock Samsonite fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 22, 2019 |
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Michael Bell - MANHammer/SEGStudio Michael is a complex man of many facets. Unfortunately, all of them are some variation of a 14 year old edgelord. Michael runs MANHammer, a painting studio which, if the name didn't give it away, is dedicated to thots, biotruths, and tiggering the libs. When he's not busy painting titty minis, he's writing about how not mad he is at people who point out that he's an adult who paints titty minis. "But Big Meaty," you say, "Michael might be a piece of poo poo who hates women, but he's not fash, right?" First of all, gently caress you. Fash can take on many forms, and oppressing women through gender roles and stereotyping, and generally being a creepy piece of poo poo, is fash as gently caress. But in case you disagree (again, gently caress you), you're in luck: To the shock of absolutely no one, this gently caress associates with Pepes and Keks. But in case you needed more: About a year ago the 40K Badcast (if you aren't already, subscribe right now what the gently caress is wrong with you) did a Very Cool and Good episode about fash in 40K, and our boy was among those called out. Fortunately for the public record, he's a big enough idiot to have responded: I, uh, yeah... Fash Rating: /5
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