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it gives me bad vibes. But not in a fun way lol
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Lack of actual canon has been one of the franchise's biggest strengths. I agree to an extent. It's good that the canon is nebulous. Anything as old as that will have trouble maintaining canon unless they keep the timeline moving forward, which is harder with a single character. It can be good when it will hopefully make things more interesting, like Tracey's death as a backdrop early in License to Kill. (A worse example is the start of For Your Eyes Only, where it doesn't add much at all.) The franchise predates that modern obsession with canonicity, which I feel was mostly reserved for nerd poo poo until the machine came to strip mine that as well. The downside to this is that it causes morons to say 'jAmEs BoNd iS a CoDeNaMe"
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Apr 15, 2025 11:14
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They can just make anything up from here on out because all future Bond movies are simply Madeline telling her daughter a story about a man named Bond, as per the final moments of NTTD. They can't just pretend it didn't happen.
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Apr 15, 2025 11:49
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I'm pretending everything from QoS onwards didn't happen
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Apr 15, 2025 11:53
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Magnetic North posted:The downside to this is that it causes morons to say 'jAmEs BoNd iS a CoDeNaMe" If that's the only downside then that's great. Hasn't affected anything about the actual movies.
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Apr 15, 2025 12:59
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James Bond is a Time Lord, it explains everything.
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Apr 15, 2025 13:01
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Ghost Leviathan posted:James Bond is a Time Lord, it explains everything.  This checks out
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egon_beeblebrox posted:
I was watching Doctor Who with my girlfriend, she's seen it loads and we got to that episode and she couldn't understand why I was so shocked to see Timmy Daltz
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James Bond is a codename only given to employees who were already named James Bond.
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Apr 15, 2025 13:24
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CelticPredator posted:Speaking of canon the opening to diamonds are forever is awful. The worst opening scene hands down. Is he getting revenge for his wife? Is he just mad? Who knows. Every aspect of it is done so poorly. The adr is atrocious and the worst aspect is this is Connery returning. It’s a big moment. It's a clever* opening in that it allows the audience to decide for themselves whether or not this movie follows On Her Majesty's Secret Service: you could make the obvious inference that Bond is wanting revenge for his wife, or you could read it as following directly from You Only Live Twice as the first location we see is Japan, and Bond is simply furious that Blofeld had slipped through his fingers (Blofeld is ultimately responsible for every one of Bond's friends and allies that had been killed by SPECTRE and Dr. No, so there's plenty reason for this to be personal even without a wife drive-by). *Pls note "clever" doesn't necessarily mean "effective" or "good."
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Apr 15, 2025 13:44
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If it was done better it would be pretty cool for that reason yeah. But god it’s so shoddy. I can’t excuse it lol
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Apr 15, 2025 13:57
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The MCU really has poisoned our pop culture I guess. I remember I watched a few Bond reaction videos with some younger reactors and they were completely baffled by recastings, they were like "so wait, is this a different guy??....or is this just James Bond from a different universe????" It took them forever to absorb the idea that they just recast the role and you're not supposed to think about it more than that.
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Apr 15, 2025 14:14
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As a kid it was so easy to comprehend. Ok this is another actor playing James Bond. The previous one got tired and left. However it did prevent me from watching OHMSS until I was close to an adult due to thinking that it was so bad they only gave that him one movie. But that’s fine I guess because I love it now.
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Apr 15, 2025 14:18
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Man, kid you missed out on an acid trip of a plot and the best theme in the series.
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CelticPredator posted:As a kid it was so easy to comprehend. Ok this is another actor playing James Bond. The previous one got tired and left. I also didn't see OHMSS until I was an adult, and it's such a weird movie. It's good, don't get me wrong, but it's also weird. Like, why is Lazenby ADR'd by someone else for so much of it? Bond is just super good at imitations now? And while I think Lazenby would have probably grown into the role with another movie, I don't think he's quite there yet in this one.  And so much going on with the costuming.  Gorgeous looking movie, though. And Telly Savalas is fun as Blofeld.  
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I've always liked the scene early in the movie where Lazenby clears out his desk and alludes to earlier adventures - he still has the From Russia With Love garrote watch, Honey's knife, the pocket rebreather from Thunderball, etc. Although I have nothing against Lazenby I don't think he had the stage presence of Connery (and neither did Moore, frankly). Weird but good movie, though.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I've always liked the scene early in the movie where Lazenby clears out his desk and alludes to earlier adventures - he still has the From Russia With Love garrote watch, Honey's knife, the pocket rebreather from Thunderball, etc. I felt like that was the movie being a bit afraid the audience wouldn't buy that this guy was Bond. Like, "Look! He has the same stuff as Connery! We swear, he's the same guy!"
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thrawn527 posted:I felt like that was the movie being a bit afraid the audience wouldn't buy that this guy was Bond. Like, "Look! He has the same stuff as Connery! We swear, he's the same guy!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mHkgQXbT2Y&t=55s Yeah, they tried really hard to connect the films and to convince audiences that these were the same character, just played by other actors. Like others have said, I kinda think that "art" has been lost in the modern world of endless MCU drivel. e: Credit where it's due - Lazenby's performance at the end of the movie is probably one of his best moments in OHMSS. I think he sells it better than either Connery or Moore would.
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Even the MCU has literally had recastings of multiple characters, some people are just stupid. And some of them make movies.
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Most of them are Amazon Prime creative executives
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Basebf555 posted:The MCU really has poisoned our pop culture I guess. I remember I watched a few Bond reaction videos with some younger reactors and they were completely baffled by recastings, they were like "so wait, is this a different guy??....or is this just James Bond from a different universe????" It took them forever to absorb the idea that they just recast the role and you're not supposed to think about it more than that. Honestly it confused people back in the day, too, what with George Lazenby talking about "the other fellow" and he and Blofeld acting like they'd never seen each other and Blofeld looking and acting completely different. And the clever gambit I mentioned above in DAF mostly just ended up confusing people even more: so did the wife thing never happen? Holy cow is Moneypenny coldblooded talking about diamond rings from a widower (if he still is one). Blofeld is completely different once again (yes plastic surgery, but still)! Then the next one is Roger Moore and it seems every little serial plot thread from every prior movie is suddenly dropped unceremoniously like they never happened. It didn't really matter that much since Bond movies are largely episodic anyway, but it wasn't until they started making references to Bond's late wife that there was any consensus that the Bonds were in continuity with each other.
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:It didn't really matter that much since Bond movies are largely episodic anyway, but it wasn't until they started making references to Bond's late wife that there was any consensus that the Bonds were in continuity with each other. I think that's partially because at the time there weren't really many opportunities for movies to even be in continuity with each other. I believe the Bond books were, but that was an established part of novels by then, and I don't think by the 60s that had carried over to movies. I don't know for sure, of course, but I can think of no movie 'series' in that same way.
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OHMSS is the single best Bond movie and the dude did fine in a rough role, being undercut by that ‘other fellow’ schtick. If he stuck it out he’d be beloved today. I hadn’t though about f_shit’s note about how well he played final scene, he’s right but it made me think it would have been been ‘fun’ to see Dalton’s take, man is always interesting. Whichever movie was Dalton blowing up Henry Silva due to Leighter getting fed to the sharks was good and gave him a chance to do acting stuff. But that terrible anti-charismatic actor they had as Leighter undercut things. Peter Lord was the perfect dude for the role and a great oft-overlooked part of my Dr No worked. I wonder if the Bond actors felt threatened by having somebody that effortlessly cool around so they immediately replaced him that nebbish.
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I wish Dalton had gotten a full run, because I would have liked to see his comedic camp side come out in the inevitable silly later entries.
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An over-the-top cheesy Dalton Bond movie had the potential to be fantastic as long as he kept his character exactly the same and we got to watch this angry, serious Bond having to react and put up with all this wacky bullshit. It's sort of how his movies functioned already, this wouldbjust be a lot moreso!
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There's a supposedly real but early script for a third Dalton movie knocking about online. iirc, he's fighting killer robots in China by the end of it. edit: https://antifandom.com/jamesbond/wiki/Unmade_Bond_17_(1991)
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feedmyleg posted:I wish Dalton had gotten a full run, because I would have liked to see his comedic camp side come out in the inevitable silly later entries. Later entries? His career literally opened with agent 47 dressed as a milk man tossing milk bottle grenades and jamming out on a Walkman to his theme tune that was playing as the music for the scene. The same man then reappears and kills someone with a sliding door and leaves a carnival balloon for his threatening message. They go tobaggoning on a cello to escape gunmen shooting at them. The last bad guy gets taken out by a statue bonking him on the head like something out of looney tunes. It's a very silly movie, it's just that the Dalton flicks play it straight and don't rub your nose in it.
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FoolyCharged posted:Later entries? His career literally opened with agent 47 dressed as a milk man tossing milk bottle grenades and jamming out on a Walkman to his theme tune that was playing as the music for the scene. Thank you, I was going to make a similar post. He uses a laser to cut the bottom off a car.  Then he shoots missiles out of the front to destroy a road block. Then they head out onto the ice, and Bond has outrigger legs steel spiked tires come out. And then he cuts a whole in the ice with a flat tire that apparently cuts a foot into the ice, sinking a KGB car, straight up Looney Tunes poo poo. And let's of course not forget the "ghetto blaster". 
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Magnetic North posted:I think that's partially because at the time there weren't really many opportunities for movies to even be in continuity with each other. I believe the Bond books were, but that was an established part of novels by then, and I don't think by the 60s that had carried over to movies. I don't know for sure, of course, but I can think of no movie 'series' in that same way. I'm not too familiar with movies of that era, but an interesting question. Star Wars and Indiana Jones come to mind as being maybe rare and seminal actual mostly coherent continuities, and I'm reminded of how Lord of the Rings trilogy has been credited as the template that 21st century 'cinematic universes' have been clearly trying to imitate as ongoing series. Though the MCU has also been called a revival of the idea of matinee serials. And then there's like, Star Trek movies?
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The Fleming books were connected but it wasn't really a big deal. They weren't chapters of one greater whole story.
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thrawn527 posted:Thank you, I was going to make a similar post. He uses a laser to cut the bottom off a car. There's also (iirc) sliding on snow and ice in Kara's cello case to escape henchmen shooting at them and the 'whistling key fob' gadget. You can tell that the movie was written with Moore in mind, but I think Dalton handles it pretty well.
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Rewatching bond movies this month there is a continuity to them but it’s just more on the looming threat of spectre and them planning and getting foiled by Bond. Blofeld in YOLT is well aware who Bond is and hates him and that movie works well as a finale to Connery’s run honestly.
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Sherlock Holmes books are connected in a similar way, things move around and it’s not a big deal.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not too familiar with movies of that era, but an interesting question. Star Wars and Indiana Jones come to mind as being maybe rare and seminal actual mostly coherent continuities, and I'm reminded of how Lord of the Rings trilogy has been credited as the template that 21st century 'cinematic universes' have been clearly trying to imitate as ongoing series. Though the MCU has also been called a revival of the idea of matinee serials. And then there's like, Star Trek movies? The Indiana Jones trilogy more or less follows the Bond model. There are a handful of small references, but outside of the recurring characters there isn't actually much that connects one movie to the other. It's the newer movies that have been obsessed with establishing an in universe cannon.
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Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman, House of Frankenstein and House of Dracula are interesting early examples because they follow the Larry Talbot character from Wolfman and House of Dracula follows in direct continuity with House of Frankenstein and Frankenstein Meets Wolfman.
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I'm sure I've said it before itt, but I'd have loved to see the Bond franchise go pure anthology post-Craig. Like, commit to making four or five movies over the next fifteen years, each with a different creative team and cast. Let Christopher Nolan do the movie that's clearly been brewing in his head his whole life. Do one set in Fleming's 1950s, maybe even in black and white. Do one with Brosnan as Old Man Bond. Clear the decks for a decade and have fun with it. The problem the producers are in is the expectation for another origin story and connected set of films, and I frankly doubt they'll be able to do an origin story that's better/more interesting than Casino Royale.
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Didn’t Tarantino want to do a Bond movie with Brosnan post Die Another Day or did I imagine that? Also, Die Another Day…what a cool premise for a Bond movie at the start, but good lord does it ever go off the rails. I also kind of like the Madonna song, I’m a certified sicko.
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These big franchises never want to go full anthology mode because it goes against the studios business model. Each film costs so much to produce so the plan is to have something hit big enough that they can ride that wave for a few more movies. They don't want to have to start from scratch each time in terms of winning over the audience, they want to do it once and have that carry over for multiple films that are reliably bankable. When they hit on a formula that works they don't want to go away from it.
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