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I think the strategy should be to put 4 films in production at once, stagger the release as a big event, and then spin a franchise out of the one that hits the biggest with audiences. E: I would bankrupt the poo poo out of a studio if they let me run it Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Apr 17, 2025 |
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I know it goes against Hollywood Economics, but I feel the Bond marque is big enough to carry such a move - possibly uniquely among all franchises. People watch a Bond movie because it's a Bond movie, not so much that they're invested in the CraigBond character arc etc. And hell, there's enough people who don't rush out to the cinema each time because "they're all the same", maybe you could tempt some of that crowd. It'll never happen - certainly not now. It might have been something the Broccolis would risk if they were playing with Amazon's money, but it's too interesting an idea for the beancounters now in charge.
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Apr 17, 2025 17:10
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I think with Bond it wouldn't be so much about the story arc as it would be the casting choice and the overall tone/aesthetic. If they successfully hit on a Bond that people love they wouldn't want to then turn right around and abandon that for a new movie with a completely different Bond set in a different time period with a different visual style.
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Apr 17, 2025 17:12
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That's a good point. Bond movies are vibes-based endeavours first and foremost and it's probably a bad idea to deliberately play around with that too much. Who knows, maybe we'll get a Bond Elseworlds series on Prime.
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Apr 17, 2025 18:49
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Magnetic North posted:I think that's partially because at the time there weren't really many opportunities for movies to even be in continuity with each other. I believe the Bond books were, but that was an established part of novels by then, and I don't think by the 60s that had carried over to movies. I don't know for sure, of course, but I can think of no movie 'series' in that same way. The Godzilla movies had better continuity in a shared universe than the current MCU, so there was that to get people used to it.
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Apr 17, 2025 23:26
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Darko posted:The Godzilla movies had better continuity in a shared universe than the current MCU, so there was that to get people used to it. A perfect comparison. I knew something in that mold had to predate the Bond films.
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 Picked up in a second hand shop in Tokyo for about a fiver 😎
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Top tier bond song. Low tier movie Diamonds are forever on my current rewatch is the absolutely worst bond film I’ve watched so far. And I started this off with Craig and brosnan
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Apr 18, 2025 01:56
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Basebf555 posted:I think with Bond it wouldn't be so much about the story arc as it would be the casting choice and the overall tone/aesthetic. If they successfully hit on a Bond that people love they wouldn't want to then turn right around and abandon that for a new movie with a completely different Bond set in a different time period with a different visual style. This is kind of a recurring problem with the anthology format iirc, like Halloween was supposed to be totally different movies with the same title but Michael Myers became far too iconic not to focus on.
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Apr 18, 2025 02:14
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CelticPredator posted:
Right on, I haven't seen that since renting it as a kid. Didn't quite make the list to revisit, but always curious to retry stuff. Planning to rewatch a bunch of them soon though.
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I didn’t really love DAF until I saw it in the cinema a few years back. It was soooo fun with an audience.
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lol, I started watching it yesterday before it was mentioned. Thread must have some psychic influences. Don't quite get the hate for it.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Don't quite get the hate for it. I think you've got a combination of the increasingly-bored and disinterested Connery, the homophobia of Wint and Kidd, Charles Gray's bafflingly haired and English Blofeld, the tiredness and tackiness of Vegas as a key location after the Alps, Japan and the Caribbean, and the 'kill off the first girl Bond meets' formula isn't new to the series but it does feel particularly mean-spirited with Plenty O'Toole getting drowned in a pool one scene after she already nearly got splatted. I mean, I get it.
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Apr 18, 2025 11:58
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I never got the homophobia criticism
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Apr 18, 2025 12:10
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Tiffany Case starts the film as a cold-blooded, competent contact and gets turned into a bumbling bikini babe by the finale. The Wint and Kidd postscript is more incongruous than anything else. Why do they still need to try to kill Bond when the big bad is over? Why are they suddenly reduced to gimmick killings with fake room service? Where would they get a plaster Baked Alaska and how would they sneak it onto a ferry?
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Connery had zero range as an actor and probably couldn't do Lazenby's part in OHMSS if he wanted to. OHMSS was considered The Bad One for a good bit but whenever someone writes a story that calls for Bond to show some emotional range, they crib from this movie. You know, when the plot doesn't revolve around Bond being chased by the Smokey and the Bandit sheriff while dressed as a clown or whatever.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:
Love the perspective on walken and the blimp.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I never got the homophobia criticism they're pretty textbook gay panic villains but worse than that, they're annoying
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Well, a henchman/henchmen always continue trying to kill Bond long after the point has been made moot by the main villain being assassinated. Case in point, though he went pretty hard anyway: Mr. Stamper. But it's true that Mr Wint and Mr Kidd really had no reason to give a poo poo about Bond after Blofeld's plan was foiled. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Apr 18, 2025 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:they're pretty textbook gay panic villains I've watched the film so many times and I don't get this at all, I think it's just something people who haven't seen the film parrot. Not saying that you are but they're presented very normally.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I've watched the film so many times and I don't get this at all, I think it's just something people who haven't seen the film parrot. Not saying that you are but they're presented very normally. I mean, the movie sets up the dashing and handsome Captain Heterosexual (who was at the time taken far more sincerely by a generation of Alan Partridge types as a genuine ideal of masculinity) against a pair of clammy, unattractive gay men whose most notable trait is their foul smell. You can see that, surely.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I've watched the film so many times and I don't get this at all, I think it's just something people who haven't seen the film parrot. Not saying that you are but they're presented very normally. "normally" compared to what? they're a pair of cartoonish mincing psychopaths
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grobbo posted:I think you've got a combination of the increasingly-bored and disinterested Connery, the homophobia of Wint and Kidd, Charles Gray's bafflingly haired and English Blofeld, the tiredness and tackiness of Vegas as a key location after the Alps, Japan and the Caribbean, and the 'kill off the first girl Bond meets' formula isn't new to the series but it does feel particularly mean-spirited with Plenty O'Toole getting drowned in a pool one scene after she already nearly got splatted. I mean, I get it. Plenty’s death always bothered me. The film either implies that Tiffany is an American expat living in Holland or is a Dutch national (who has no accent)… and that she’s been living in Amsterdam for a while to help facilitate the smuggling operation. So… does she have a place in Vegas in addition to her main residence in The Netherlands? If so, how would Plenty know who Tiffany was and where her house was?
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DarkSol posted:Plenty’s death always bothered me. There was tons of stuff cut. Such as sneaking back in, digging through her purse and finding her address. Then showing up and the dynamic duo are waiting there and drown her.
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I think it's implied that after Tiffany rips the smugglers off, the smugglers mistake Plenty for Tiffany. They think the girl they throw out of the window in the hotel is Tiffany, and go back to the casino to kidnap her and bring her to Tiffany's.
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grobbo posted:I think you've got a combination of the increasingly-bored and disinterested Connery, the homophobia of Wint and Kidd, Charles Gray's bafflingly haired and English Blofeld, the tiredness and tackiness of Vegas as a key location after the Alps, Japan and the Caribbean, and the 'kill off the first girl Bond meets' formula isn't new to the series but it does feel particularly mean-spirited with Plenty O'Toole getting drowned in a pool one scene after she already nearly got splatted. I mean, I get it. All that plus every single time Bond is captured and is put into a very inescapable position someone or something randomly comes to assist him Wint and Kidd knock out Bond and throw him into a casket for cremation. Bond is hosed! How will he get out of this one? Oh some other guys just open the casket. Ok. Wint and Kidd take Bond to a construction site, throw him in a tube and bury him alive. Oh no! Oh he just hops on whatever that thing was, and this causes the construction workers to open the hatch. Cool Grey’s blofeld also sucks. Way too smug.
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grobbo posted:I mean, the movie sets up the dashing and handsome Captain Heterosexual (who was at the time taken far more sincerely by a generation of Alan Partridge types as a genuine ideal of masculinity) against a pair of clammy, unattractive gay men whose most notable trait is their foul smell. You can see that, surely. I don’t know if it’s homophobia but bond basically gives wint a death wedgie before he dies. It’s kind of weird
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Oh my god I forgot about the black lady in the cage turning to to the gorilla wtf was that
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i actually kinda like Charles Gray's Blofeld, but he has the bad luck to come after Donald Pleasance and Telly Savalas, both of whom blo him out of the water. he's better than Christoph Waltz, at any rate.
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Waltz blofeld was so sad to me. The writing for him was like those hacks thought we should try our hand at tarantino like dialogue for the tarantino guy Awful. He could’ve been great
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Waltz Blofeld ruined Inglorious Basterds for me, I cannot take him seriously as a villain anymore. It's perhaps Spectre's greatest crime.
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Sounds like he's the author of all your pain.
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My grudge with the Walz Blofeld thing was that I brought my 85 year old grandfather to see the movie because after Skyfall I thought they were moving more towards self-contained episodic stories. Nope, turns out Blofeld had to be the author of all of Bond's pain so everything had to connect back to everything else and my grandfather couldn't follow what was going on so it was a wasted trip.
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I thought that line meant he was the one behind quantum and poo poo and was mad at bond for ruining his plans like in the old films But no he was just jelly
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Quantum of Phallus posted:I've watched the film so many times and I don't get this at all, I think it's just something people who haven't seen the film parrot. Not saying that you are but they're presented very normally. The insidious thing about Wint and Kidd is that the homophobia behind them is so pure you can miss it if you're not on its wavelength. It's because they're not simply stereotypes that they're so nasty, you can tell they represented someone's real fear of gay men. The characters are actually valuable in documenting a common mindset because of this. It's easy to see them (especially nowadays) as "weird, frumpy assassins, oh and gay" but if you recognize it there's no mistaking that Wint and Kidd are weird because they're gay, they're frumpy because they're gay, hell, probably the reason they're assassins is because they enjoy killing people because they're creepy because they're weird because they're gay. The whole concept behind Wint and Kidd is that being a gay man is completely inexplicable and inscrutable. They come off nearly sexless, because it doesn't make sense for a man to want to have sex with a man. Ew, why would Wint and Kidd want to get it on? Who knows? They're gay, there's something wrong with them, they're gross, they're queer.* It would never occur to the movie to make them attractive, because obviously if they were handsome they wouldn't settle for each other and they could just get with women, duh. The most telling thing might be that their lesbian-coded counterparts Bambi and Thumper are not portrayed as weird, ugly, and creepy, because the movie can understand why these women might be into each other. *The Simpsons running joke about Smithers secretly wanting to gently caress Mr. Burns comes from the same place. That show very shortly after would start leaning into more absurdist humor and helped obscure that, but that early on it's really recognizable.
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You might have a point; the homophobia that Mr Wint and Mr Kidd might be so "old fashioned" that it might fly right over the heads of people who weren't exposed to that, like us (I'm assuming we were all born in the '80s and '90s here). I genuinely don't know.
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yeah it's also the kind of thing where you can go like "make a list of all the gay characters in the James Bond franchise" and it would be a short list that's entirely villains and psychos lol
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:yeah it's also the kind of thing where you can go like "make a list of all the gay characters in the James Bond franchise" and it would be a short list that's entirely villains and psychos lol You point stands though I note that the much longer list of "straight characters in the James Bond franchise" is also largely psychos.
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Make Major Boothroyd gay. He's one entire letter of LGBTQ.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:(I'm assuming we were all born in the '80s and '90s here). lol...what they say about assumptions.
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