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As much as I like Radiohead’s Spectre as a Moon Shaped Pool-era track, it would have made for a pretty flaccid Bond theme. Reminds me of Pulp’s Tomorrow Never Dies/Lies - sounds great on paper but then you hear it and decide it’s maybe for the best it didn’t happen. Not that Writing On The Wall is any better. gently caress that literal noise. Also, No Time To Die is a fanfic-tier title (nice logo though, makes me think of the Richard Chopping book covers). Should have just had the bottle to call it Shatterhand, which is blatantly the arc they’re adapting. Would have had a nice sense of trilogy after Skyfall and Spectre, too.
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Baron Samedi should have been a recurring trickster god presence throughout the Moore era, imo.
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Watched The Spy Who Loved Me last night for the first time in many years, and it’s insane how much of the tanker sequence is almost beat-for-beat the same as the volcano stuff in YOLT. Bond gets spotted on cctv and brought to the villain. Bond causes mayhem and hijacks a henchman in a little mono-rail thing. Control room gets closed behind metal shutters with gun batteries. Bond releases trapped allies to join a big shootout. I know the wider villain’s plot (big ship gobbles up Soviet/Western vehicles to provoke war) is identical, but it verges into the territory of outright remake at the end there. Cracking film though. It was great to see watch it with my partner who had never seen it and getting the vicarious reaction to stuff like the Union Jack parachute, submarine Lotus etc.
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Aug 26, 2019 11:10
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/billie-eilish-sing-james-bond-theme-1269297 Kinda didn’t see that coming, but I’m extremely into it. At least it isn’t Ed Sheeran.
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Takes a while to get going, but when it does, it totally works imo. The John Barry trumpets/twangy guitar samples dotted around are great too. Also works nicely over some new trailer footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO6wDBss8PI
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Lobok posted:That screencap brings up a good question: was a Bond poster/promotional image the first time a character was between someone's legs like that? I think it’s a callback to this shot from You Only Live Twice, but I think the FYEO poster was the first time it became a “thing” that people associate with Bond, use as visual shorthand in parodies etc. 
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Oct 30, 2020 09:34
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It’s notable how Natalya is the one who actually saves the world by hacking the goldeneye satellite, and all Bond does is indiscriminately lob a bomb to create noise and chaos, and then literally “throw a spanner in the works” of the cradle machinery.
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There was a new Bond book by Anthony Horowitz that came out about a month ago called With A Mind To Kill that was pretty decent. It's set after The Man With the Golden Gun, which was Fleming's last novel and it's very good at portraying a Bond who is absolutely loving done with it all. I realise that's an aspect of the character that a lot of people don't like about Craig Bond, but I've always felt it's interesting in Book Bond. Horowitz has done three (there's one set after the Goldfinger novel and another which is a prequel to Casino Royale), and I would describe them all as "entertaining enough, albeit not incredible". But he's very good at ventriloquising Fleming's literary style, and at painting different psychologies of Bond at different stages in his career. Although to get back to the earlier point upthread, Horowitz can't resist making him a bit of a shagger. edit: Hi, chitoryu12! I had no idea there was a Let's Read thread for the continuation novels. As someone who (god help me), has read all of them, I'll be sure to swing by! Matinee fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jun 28, 2022 |
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Jun 28, 2022 16:02
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It’s amazing to think that Auric Goldfinger was completely dubbed over but the off-kilter physical charisma that Gert Frobe plays him with really carries every second he’s on screen
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Jul 18, 2022 13:46
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Nomi had such potential to be a really novel character and element in the movie but they really hobbled her by making her only consistent trait how weirdly fixated she was about the Double-00/007 callsign. Really not a good way to make an interesting character and it’s not even a decent meta-joke.
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Aug 11, 2022 18:15
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I’d love to see them lean more on the kind of sweaty moments of desperate improvisation like you get with Bond realising that the only thing he has to hand to give him an edge is using his watch bracelet as a makeshift knuckleduster in the book of TMWTGG
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Aug 11, 2022 18:31
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I'm sure it's the opposite of box office logic, but my fantasy armchair EON Producer pitch would be to make the next five or so movies an anthology. As a reaction to the serialisation of the Craig era, have each film be totally unique to one another. Different Bond actor, different cast, different director, different screenwriters, the lot. One could be a 50s period piece set in Fleming times before even Dr No, or a modern day F&F/M:I style pure popcorn actioner, or a totally gadgetless spycraft story in 80's Berlin, or an OSS 117 style throwback comedy etc etc. It's an excuse to get interesting writers, directors, actors, and other creatives who ordinarily wouldn't get involved with the franchise because of all the baggage that continuity brings with it. I feel this would only work if they changed the release schedule to something more regular and frequent, but if senior creative on each project is different, and with access to Bezos money, they could even have different productions running in parallel.
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Dalton's portrayal of the character is my favourite, and Living Daylights my number 1 Bond movie. I think his films have always been a bit dismissed because their plots were more complex compared to the "Stop a Blofeld analog doing some flavor of doomsday scheme" template that's the archetypal idea of 'Bond Movie', but they have some thoughtfulness to their plotting that's often absent from the series imo. I like Daylights most because it's the only time a Bond movie, in a franchise ostensibly about spying, is actually about spies. Iron Curtain defections, double agents, surreptitious meetings in Viennese cafes, staged assassinations, funnelling slush money into drugs and guns etc. All good stuff for a spy flick, and I wish there was more Bond material that stayed in that world.
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Jun 27, 2023 16:55
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The Tactical Tuxedo is literally my favourite single moment in Bond. I also enjoy that he has another in Licence To Kill, with a rappel cord concealed in his cummerbund. Matinee fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Jun 27, 2023 18:17
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I've heard that For Your Eyes Only was written with Dalton in mind because Moore hadn't renegotiated his contract yet. It would have been interesting but a new actor and that big a change in tone (especially coming after Moonraker) probably would have been a bit much, hence the wacky hijinks bits in Daylights like the laser car to reassure people it's "still Bond". They also filmed this, which is pure peak Moore, even down to the baffled onlookers and intoxication joke. It kind of rules as a deleted scene curio but they made the right call in cutting it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s91Tbn8jts
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Jun 27, 2023 18:58
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We very nearly got a third Bassey for Quantum of Solace. Presumably it was a late change to Jack White and Alicia Keys because, much like Surrender for Tomorrow Never Dies, the motif is scattered throughout the rest of the score https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z8OKU48xMw Matinee fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Goddammit, that’s a serious lapse on my part.
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Jun 28, 2023 20:25
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“Bond is here!”
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One of the big plus points for NTTD for me is that you can tell they were really going for Ken Adam vibes with the island base.
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So many of that film’s problems would be solved if they just had Blofeld as the main villain. I wonder if it was a case of Waltz either would not or could not do more than a few days filming so they had to throw something together.
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Aug 23, 2023 10:47
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I love the look Gobinda and Khan share when their car stalls for a moment as they’re trying to leave the circus. It even happened for real and the actors improvised it!
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Aug 24, 2023 15:23
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I totally agree re:Bond in the clown outfit. The opening scene with 009 established it as Serious Business, and even as a kid the whole thing had this tense surreal and uneasy vibe to it. E: I also think it has some of Moore’s best acting in his whole run Matinee fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Aug 24, 2023 |
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I have Message From An Old Friend on my trail-running playlist, which is an absolutely perfect scenario for it.
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Every time I rewatch Goldeneye I appreciate Eric Serra’s score so much more (Monte Carlo car chase excepted). Something about the deep, metal-drum basses and tiny tingling trebles and abstracted vocalisations just works so well for the uneasy post-Soviet tone of the whole movie.
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I always preferred the moment when Bond catches out Mr Wint with a stony “but Mouton Rothschild is a claret”.
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His only role I can think of that’s like a “soft audition” for bond (Like Craig with Layer Cake) is Tenet, and most people forget he was in that.
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The thing that makes Octopussy hard to follow is having more than one reveal that there are duplicate/fake gems, and with that, it’s hard to keep track of the various villains’ allegiances to each other. It’s the sort of thing that should have been buffed out on a draft rewrite before shooting.
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Nov 20, 2024 14:05
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The first act of Spectre felt “off”, but the car chase was when I fully sank into my chair thinking “oh no, this has gone badly wrong” That feeling kept going for the rest of the movie
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I thought it was pretty obvious the recent Aaron Taylor Johnson rumour round was his agent/PR trying to juice him up knowing that Kraven was a big flop on the horizon - would have been around the time of a rough cut/test screenings too iirc. Josh O'Connor though? yeah, I can see the vision, I wouldn't be a hater.
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Workplace sitcom following the daily grind and trials and tribulations of the jumpsuit-clad henchmen at a volcano base. In the first episode, a new recruit is shown the ropes but accidentally causes an embarrassing liquid nitrogen leak just as some Spectre top brass are on a visit. As punishment, our likeable gang are assigned to pirhana tank scrubbing duty.
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Feb 22, 2025 23:00
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Ihmemies posted:In the old times they used to make a bond movie every 2 or 3 years so this was not as big of a deal. I wonder if part of getting David Heyman involved is he knows how to run a franchise that bangs out a movie every year.
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Mar 30, 2025 10:46
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They can just make anything up from here on out because all future Bond movies are simply Madeline telling her daughter a story about a man named Bond, as per the final moments of NTTD. They can't just pretend it didn't happen.
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There's a supposedly real but early script for a third Dalton movie knocking about online. iirc, he's fighting killer robots in China by the end of it. edit: https://antifandom.com/jamesbond/wiki/Unmade_Bond_17_(1991)
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I'm sure I've said it before itt, but I'd have loved to see the Bond franchise go pure anthology post-Craig. Like, commit to making four or five movies over the next fifteen years, each with a different creative team and cast. Let Christopher Nolan do the movie that's clearly been brewing in his head his whole life. Do one set in Fleming's 1950s, maybe even in black and white. Do one with Brosnan as Old Man Bond. Clear the decks for a decade and have fun with it. The problem the producers are in is the expectation for another origin story and connected set of films, and I frankly doubt they'll be able to do an origin story that's better/more interesting than Casino Royale.
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I know it goes against Hollywood Economics, but I feel the Bond marque is big enough to carry such a move - possibly uniquely among all franchises. People watch a Bond movie because it's a Bond movie, not so much that they're invested in the CraigBond character arc etc. And hell, there's enough people who don't rush out to the cinema each time because "they're all the same", maybe you could tempt some of that crowd. It'll never happen - certainly not now. It might have been something the Broccolis would risk if they were playing with Amazon's money, but it's too interesting an idea for the beancounters now in charge.
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That's a good point. Bond movies are vibes-based endeavours first and foremost and it's probably a bad idea to deliberately play around with that too much. Who knows, maybe we'll get a Bond Elseworlds series on Prime.
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I think the audience is meant to take Dikko Henderson in YOLT as gay, and he seemed like a fairly cool guy.
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Almost all of NTTD's problems go away if you imagine Blofeld as the main villain and streamline the middle section a little bit. Either have a jailbreak sequence, maybe while MI6 is distracted with something else, or just start the movie with a "Somehow, Blofeld has escaped". I remember hearing gossip that Christoph Waltz really didn't enjoy his time on Spectre (Craig too, for that matter), and the story really feels stuck between him only being willing to come back for a few days filming, but also wanting the iconography of the big villain lair and the garden of death. Those things were probably locked early in production because sets have to be built etc, and Saffin feels like a shapeless character because he was just poured into the gaps. e: if it's true they couldn't get Waltz on board for the whole movie, they should have just re-cast him, that's kinda the whole deal with Blofeld anyway. Matinee fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Apr 22, 2025 |
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There's a bit in one of the books when M is reading his daily briefings which includes the line "homosexuals can't whistle", after which M reflexively whistles, just to make sure. 
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Magnetic North posted:This doesn't even end with Moore, though they're slightly less glaring later. License to Kill is following trends in 80s action, the Craig bonds followed some of the franchise-ifcation set out by many trilogies early that decade, including Pirates and Lord of the Rings but most specifically the Bourne movies. I'm having trouble putting my finger on what the early or later Brosnans would be following, but that might just be because Goldeneye is more successful in incorporating world trends (the end of the Cold War, the internet) than it is movie trends. Obviously, anything as popular and influential as Bond will be responsible for creating the culture to which its entries will be judged, so to some extent this will be reciprocal. The Brosnan movies are the only ones that feel like reflexive "Bond movies". There's a bit of trend-chasing (Hong Kong action in TND; you can sense that DAD was made in a post-Matrix world), but Goldeneye in particular stands out as having the confidence to draw on iconography that feels "Bond-esque" with a grounded and contemporary sensibility. It helped Brosnan feel like some kind of apotheosis of how the character should come across, which is partly why they needed to deconstruct the character for Craig.
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