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Turbinosamente posted:The ski chase music from For Your Eyes Only has always been a personal favorite of mine, especially the piano bit when going down the jump ramp. And then it goes straight into a sweet disco song for the actual chase, enjoy it all here. Mine too! The rest of the soundtrack is fairly routine, but that theme is one of the most unique of all the films. Another favorite of mine is what I call "chase music" but is more officially known as "007" on the soundtracks. 007 in Thunderball e: Fixed the link.
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Turbinosamente posted:Forgot all about that one, doesn't it crop up in other Connery films as well? Usually more as an action/fight moment music. But yes it's very good as well. I think I've just about run out of Bond soundtrack songs that have stuck with me, except for this one from Living Daylights. Yes it does. It first shows up in From Russia With Love and is in several of the other Connery films. A really slow version also randomly shows up in the boat chase in Moonraker. I like If There Was A Man (the love theme) from Living Daylights. It has an interesting chord progression. quote:To go back to Goldeneye I tried to find a fan edit of the tank chase with the original music, but the ones on YouTube were not that great. I'm of the opinion that it was the right call to not use a Pleasant Drive in St. Petersburg, as it sounds too close to the Ferrari chase music, Ladies First. That kind of sound fits the Ferrari scene much better than the tank chase anyways. I agree. Pleasant Drive in St. Petersburg just isn't "exciting" enough for Bond driving a tank through the middle of St. Petersburg; at least for me. Ladies First is a better fit for the mood of Bond racing Xenia.
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Aug 26, 2019 00:35
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I liked Valentin too but to be honest, I was more a fan of his appearance in Goldeneye than TWINE. His understandable beef with Bond made him much more interesting than his chummy relationship with Bond in TWINE.
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Timby posted:I don't think the TWINE relationship was chummy so much as, uh, professional courtesy. Bond knows he can bust Zukofsky and Zukofsky knows it, but he also knows that Elektra is bad news. Remember, it wasn't until he was being drowned in a tub of caviar that he coughed up any info. Fair point. I don't think they were exactly friends in TWINE, but the "if I piss Zukovsky off, he's going to shoot off my balls" edge of their talks in Goldeneye was missing, and Valentin came across more as a straight man than a formidable ex-KGB officer.
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Sep 2, 2019 00:10
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Cacator posted:Here's an article from Steven Soderbergh about OHMSS that's worth a read. I'm of the camp that says OHMSS wouldn't have worked with Connery for scenes where Bond needs to be vulnerable and emotional and Lazenby can. I tend to agree. I don't think Lazenby was an especially good or memorable Bond, but the scene at the end was where he was at his best. Brosnan would probably have also done a really good job with that scene.
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Sep 26, 2019 15:28
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AFewBricksShy posted:The tie flip in "The Spy Who Loved Me" and him killing Drax were really the only time he seemed to be the menacing killer he was with Loque, which is kind of a shame because he really was great. The weird thing is that Moore didn't like the scenes where he played more of a heavy; at least in the case of the Loque scene (probably the tie flip too). He preferred the lighter, wisecracking interpretation. I don't have a problem with Moore as Bond, but some of his best moments were the darker ones. They were an antidote to some of the ridiculous content of his era.
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Sep 28, 2019 01:37
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Laughing Zealot posted:I guess I'm a bit unique in that I prefer Tomorrow Never Dies over The World is not Enough. I do too. It's not as good as Goldeneye but it's better than TWINE, which I've just never quite liked. Even if not all that much was done with it, I've always thought bringing Bond back together with one of his previous women was a fresh plot device.
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May 14, 2020 18:40
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Live and Let Die is a weird mash up of James Bond and 1970s blaxploitation, but it's one of the better Moore films. I don't think any of Moore's movies after Moonraker are especially memorable or good, but For Your Eyes Only is an exception. It succeeds without the gadgetry or gimmicks. I'd say Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are probably the best Moore films. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Oct 14, 2020 23:25
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Zeta Acosta posted:thunderball is bottom tier song, i really dislike that song for some reason It's the overdramatic way Tom Jones sings it and the ridiculously fawning lyrics, at least for me. I don't dislike the movie but the song is one of my least favorite of all the movie themes.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:29
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One of my favorite scenes from A View To A Kill is when Zorin executes a simple background check on Bond as they're chatting in his office. Within the space of a few minutes, Zorin knows everything he needs to know about Bond: who employs him, his license to kill, etc. Bond never even realizes it's happening. If 'James Bond' is a code name, it's a completely ineffective one.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:08
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Cacator posted:Isn't there a scene later where even the San Francisco Fire Department knows who James Bond is? I think Bond reveals that he works for the British Secret Service when it looks like he's going to be arrested for arson, but it's been a while since I've watched that movie.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:15
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I don't really like Octopussy; I think Moore (whom I like) reached his peak at Moonraker. However, the bomb defusing scene at the end of that movie is one of my favorite Bond moments. There's a dark humor-esque quality to it (not sure if that's quite the right term) that I love, but it's not treated as a joke in the movie at all.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:09
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Just to clarify: it's a goodbye to Craig and not Bond in general, correct? Craig's been a good Bond, somewhere between the professionalism of Connery and the darkness of Dalton. It'll be interesting to see where the franchise goes from here.
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Sep 29, 2021 00:42
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Karloff posted:There are some cracking deaths in License to Kill. Sucked into a cocaine crusher, head explosion, eaten by sharks, burned alive, impaled on a forklift. Part of the appeal of the Bond films when I was a child was seeing the grisly deaths and so Licence to Kill was a favourite. You don't gently caress with Bond's friends. Dalton was a great Bond and I wish we had gotten more than two movies with him. Neither Daylights nor License seems particularly well remembered these days, but they're both such a relief after the series was creaking along in Moore's later films.
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Oct 6, 2021 15:39
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I just saw Daylights a few months ago and barely remember it. There's also Joe Don Baker! It is a pretty forgettable film, but after the last couple of geriatric Moore movies, a younger and more spry (spryer?) Bond was a relief.
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Oct 6, 2021 16:05
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Darko posted:It's been stated but License to Kill is SPECIFICALLY about the same thing happening to Felix that happened to him (Felix's Blofeld killed his wife) which hyper pissed him off. Him being a drug lord was incidental to the motivation or even plot - he was just a drug lord because Felix is CIA and that's pretty much what they were doing at that time. I hadn't thought of that angle. quote:Live and Let Die is just weirdly racist and odd. It's Blaxploitation meets Bond, which is a weird combination. The early Moore films seem like they want to take advantage of current trends but just fail in doing so convincingly. I'm also thinking of the Kung Fu stuff in Golden Gun, which is also pretty odd.
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Oct 6, 2021 17:31
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Darko posted:Yeah, Bond always tries to keep up with trends (Michelle Yeoh when Hong Kong Kung Fu flicks became popular, etc. etc. etc.), but the thing about blaxploitation is that the movies were often about black people rising up against the "man" and were directed by black directors. Even when they're about drugs in the community, it's always the CIA or some white dude that's the true villain that needs to be taken down. True. It's like a Blaxploitation film from the perspective of comfortable white people, I guess. Live and Let Die also has one of the grossest scenes in all of the Bond movies (aside from the infamous Pussy Galore scene in Goldfinger): Bond cons Solitaire to sleep with him by creating a modified Tarot deck with all "Lovers" cards. It's a combination of rape-y and messing with someone's religious beliefs.
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Oct 6, 2021 19:01
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Neo Rasa posted:It at least like License to Kill had a great plane stunt. Also speaking of capitalizing on trends don't they have him hook up with the local fighters in Afghanistan also like Rambo? Sure did! I'm sure that made since in 1987 but it's aged like milk in recent years, for obvious reasons. Awesome scene, and great music too.
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Oct 6, 2021 20:11
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Thunderball is one of the worst. I'm not a particularly big fan of Tom Jones anyway but the way he melodramatically belts out the fawning lyrics is lame.
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Oct 7, 2021 15:35
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The worst Bond movie plot-wise is For Your Eyes Only. If you can remember that plot for the movie without consulting Wikipedia, congratulations you have no life (me, evidently) or more likely you're a liar. Any of the Moore films after Moonraker are completely forgettable and convoluted plot wise. A View To A Kill is especially egregious because it wastes Walken and Grace Jones.
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Oct 12, 2021 15:54
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AceOfFlames posted:The theme song to AVTAK slaps though. Yes it does! It's also nice to hear uptempo music after the series of soppy love songs they had been doing before that film.
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Oct 12, 2021 15:59
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Class3KillStorm posted:A View to a Kill's plotting is dumb, because the pre-titles and all the stuff through Zorin's estate set up an interesting story of Zorin feeding British-based innovations to the Soviets. It's small scale, but interesting and possibly scary in its original time, especially with the idea that he was selling out British/Western resilience to nuclear attacks to an enemy nuclear superpower. That's true: that plot point goes nowhere and it just becomes 'Zorin wants to flood Silicon Valley', which is far less interesting. One thing I can say in the movie's favor, though, is that I like that May Day betrays Zorin in the end. She was the first and only (as far as I can remember) henchman to do so in 25 or so movies.
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I finally saw the movie, in a theater, no less (which incidentally reminds me of all the annoyances involved with that). A couple of random observations/takes: 1. I never got a real sense of the villain, despite all of the "My entire family was killed" plot device. What did he want? What was his plan? Selling weapons to the highest terrorist bidder seems to make sense, but that's suicidal because you still have murderous nanobots out there, who could kill anyone at any time. 2. I really liked M having to deal with choices he's made in the past. I read the movie as a criticism of national secrets - how governments are in a constant cold war to obtain information before the other "team" (e.g: Bond disgusting M because he "worked with the CIA"), and how this arms race can quickly and easily get out of control. I'm sure someone else far smarter than me has pointed this out already: it felt like a meta-commentary on the Bond franchise itself, and intelligence/state secrets in general. 3. The use of We Have All The Time in the World was very effective. The movie did a great job of contrasting the car ride at the end of OHMSS with the car ride at the end of this one. 4. As soon as the Black and female 007 came on screen, I knew chuds were going to have a shitfit over it. Good. It'd be interesting to see if she becomes the "new Bond" in future movies. I hope MAGA world loses what passes for its mind if they do. Maybe I'm talking out of my rear end, as usual. I liked the movie, but Casino Royale is probably better overall.
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Oct 19, 2021 02:15
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Comrade Fakename posted:Also, did anyone notice just how much Bond was hit point-blank with explosions and survived without a single injury except being a bit stunned? It happened so many times that I began to suspect that it was some kind of subtle theme on the fact, considering that Bond actually dies in an explosion in the end, this was alluding to the fact that actually due to capitalism James Bond can never truly be allowed to die, and will even survive his unambiguous death. That's almost certainly some galaxy brain bullshit though! Yes I did. When he was hit with one of the grenades in the missile silo I almost thought for a second that it contained one of the botanicals that the villain had been hyping up earlier - the plant that "makes you do as you're told", etc. But then he just shook it off. I thought the "poison garden" thing, which was pretty cool, sort of went nowhere, similar to the moment in Spectre when Bond was supposed to have forgotten everyone he ever knew. Same with Safin capturing Mathilde (Madeleine's daughter); I thought the movie was going in a direction where she would be infected with Heracles or something like that, but she was just able to run away. Safin might have been using her to bait the trap for Bond, though. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Yep, she was great. Despite all the predictable manbaby whining about """"""""woke"""""""", I appreciated the fact that this film highlighted women agents who were as good or even better than Bond. It's not the frist time this has been done (agent Triple X, the Russian ballet dancer from View To A Kill) but this is one of the first times it was prominent in the story line.
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Oct 23, 2021 00:38
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One thing I've always really liked about From Russia with Love is that Kronsteen's plan was flawless. He correctly read the British: they sussed out the fact that it was a trap almost immediately and decided that the chance of getting a Lektor was too important for them to pass. If it weren't for Bond being so good (and Grant giving away the entire game), SPECTRE might have succeeded. Dr. No and From Russia with Love are the best Connery films. Goldfinger, I think, is the true start of the ridiculous plots that would come to be associated with Moore because it's where a lot of the familiar Bond movie tropes get their start.
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chitoryu12 posted:The book plays it the same way (albeit with the Soviets instead of SPECTRE). Bond is fully aware he's walking into a trap and is simply too dumb about his tactics to avoid sleeping with her. The book version of him is not a smart guy and repeatedly fucks himself over. In some ways, I almost like that better. A lot of the movies depicted Bond as more of a superhero than a secret agent. I think I remember that in the novel, Grant really is a psychopath and has an urge to kill whenever there's a full moon? Something like that? The movie mostly downplays that except for a reference or two. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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> and why release bond's kid? Yeah, this was one of the more nonsensical parts of the movie for me. It reminded me of the memory erasure thing from SPECTRE in the sense that it didn't really go anywhere. It looked as though the movie was setting up a situation where Bond would have to sacrifice himself to save his kid, and then Safin just....let her go. I guess the point was to expose her to him and raise the stakes of Heracles being in his blood? But that was before Bond was exposed (iirc).
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A generic white guy billionaire privatizing the water supply is a believable and realistic villain, that's for sure.
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It's sad how normalized Elliot's plan has become in 2021, now that you mention it. I'm sure it seemed really high tech and scary in 1997.
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The Spy Who Loves Me: The good one. For Your Eyes Only: Tevye becomes a Bond ally.
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PHUO: I think the clown suit bomb scene in Octopussy is actually well done. It builds up the tension and up until Bond is allowed to defuse the bomb, you’re not sure whether he’ll succeed. There are far goofier scenes during Moore’s movies: the Tarzan yell in Octopussy, California Girls during the snowboarding in View To A Kill, JW Pepper...
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FYEO is one of Moore’s best Bond films; easily better than the couple that followed it. FYEO’s main problem is that it’s completely forgettable
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Lazenby’s best moment in the movie is at the end, when he very convincingly reacts to the death of his wife. Mostly, though, he just never has much screen presence. The goofy plots didn’t really start with Moore. I’d argue they go at least as far back as Blofeld’s double secret probation volcano lair, if not some elements of Goldfinger. Moore happened to be Bond during the goofiest moments of the franchise.
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Both You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are as goofy, or more, than anything from Moore's tenure. Moore's first two or three movies are actually more serious than either of those.
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Payndz posted:Apart from the goofy opening with "Blofeld" (which still has Moore being serious at the grave) and the ending with Thatcher and the parrot, For Your Eyes Only is the closest the series has been to a straight spy thriller since From Russia With Love. As a kid I thought "this is boring", now I rate it as one of the best. Snappy direction from John Glen too. Yes it is. Someone realized they went too far with Moonraker and made one of the most serious movies they've done since - I'd say - OHMSS. Except for being a bit unmemorable it's a great movie (probably the last of the good Moore Bond films).
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I'd also say that Scaramanga's private island lair is one of the coolest hideouts in Bond history, along with Stromberg's ocean city.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:For sure. I love Scaramanga’s version of the smugly-lord-over-Bond-at-dinner scene, best part of the movie. The scene where Scaramanga goes from writing down the name of a wine Bond recommends to threatening him with the golden gun is a great moment. I've always loved the detail of the golden gun being made of everyday components that Scaramanga could carry around without arousing suspicion.
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Von Pluring posted:My Bond opinion is that any Bond movie with extensive underwater fighting or action is boring as hell, and automatically one of the worst. Don’t know why, it’s just enormously boring to me. Doesn’t matter what happens in the rest of the movie, it’s straight to the poo poo pile. Case in point: Thunderball and its minutes of confusing underwater combat. I guess you could argue the same of Moonraker's space laser battle.
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