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CelticPredator posted:I loved this though. There is no cathartic release for Bond and that’s the point. Yeah, kinda funny how people talk about it taking apart the Bond formula when in those aspects it's literally a faithful adaptation of the very first James Bond book. Though this has to establish that Bond is also a bisexual BDSM freak. Which frankly, explains so much about the character. Dude just cannot wait to be strapped to a table with a laser or a buzzsaw slowly approaching him.
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Alchenar posted:The whole point of the plot of Casino Royale is that Bond is squeezing Le Chiffre to draw out the people who's dirty money he's handling. It works just fine. Well, other than Bond being naked and tied to a chair when it happens. You say that like Bond isn't into it tho
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Nov 17, 2021 13:10
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chitoryu12 posted:Fleming was into BDSM and the books have a lot of thinly veiled kink references that people mistake for abuse. You know, that explains so much. Like the Wonder Woman creator. Sodomy Hussein posted:The Bond writers learned from Christopher Nolan what kind of ridiculous nonsense you could get away with if you just filmed everything like it was a sequel to Heat. The greatest trick Nolan ever pulled was convincing the world that he was taking Batman seriously.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:So you think when that lady told her 6-year-old stories about the man named Bond, James Bond, she left in all the parts where he hosed, killed, drank, raped, and got his balls pulverized? As Pratchett put it, children are quite keen on blood as long as it's shed by the deserving.
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Nov 28, 2021 12:13
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chitoryu12 posted:The way it worked out wasn't the plan, but just the way he got it to succeed. It's always really fun when this happens, that the villains don't just have one big plain that requires every part of the chain to go off without a hitch, but use their resources and abilities to react to events as they go, work around failures and capitalise on successes, and improvise the same way that heroes traditionally do. Xanatos in Gargoyles has become a meme, but he earned it pretty well in being an antagonist who's not only genuinely a threat but also interesting and fun because he famously prefers to set things up so he benefits from any plausible outcome of his schemes- even if the heroes win, which they usually do, he gets something out of it, and sometimes that's exactly what he expected. And even gets to the point where the heroes recognise this, and he can also be reasoned with, sometimes negotiated on almost friendly terms, and occasionally even just plain talked out of what turned out to be a bad idea.
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Dec 1, 2021 08:06
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Spectre I was almost down with til the finale just completely shat the bed in parodic fashion. Like, Bond shoots a helicopter down with a pistol and the bad guy gets taken away by London bobbies, the gently caress Then again, I feel like a Bond film is a disappointment if it doesn't end with a finale worthy of a Metal Gear game
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numberoneposter posted:as ive been watching my bond movies in sort of a back and forth around eras my next two are going to be Thunderball and Skyfall. Two of the best IMO. Thunderfall and Skyball
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Dec 29, 2021 04:15
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The Man With The Golden Gun feels like it has all the ingredients for something good but squandered it. It could be legendary if it was more serious or more silly. Or both.
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Dec 29, 2021 11:48
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Feels like the formula was working against the movie, since they still presented Scaramanga as a typical supervillain with lair and superweapon and henchmen and everything, and in general didn't seem to know what to do with a character who they should be breaking the mould for and having be more proactive. Skyfall did a better job with an anti-Bond character, to almost Solid/Liquid Snake levels, and to the point of reversing the roles for the climax.
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Dec 30, 2021 13:56
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I'm still waiting for a Bond movie to finally end with a Metal Gear.
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Honestly given how James Bond has been all but openly middle class aspirational fantasy complete with conspicuous consumption and gratuitous product placement from the start, a reality show is if anything overdue.
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Mar 28, 2022 12:01
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They could at least have had a Solid/Liquid Snake deal. And a Metal Gear. The finale of Spectre is like a parody.
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Famethrowa posted:it's cliche, but it is consistently surprising to me that Archer is essentially just a James Bond adaptation with more jokes. Like half the jokes in Archer are just putting the subtext of James Bond into text.
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I dunno if I'd call John H Benjamin's voice 'dopey', though the Coach McGuirk voice might be close? Archer's whole thing isn't even that he's stupid, but kind of insane and has incredibly skewed priorities in every aspect of his life. (Actually reminds me of Invader Zim of all things in that aspect)iajanus posted:I think it works better that way; a British accent would have been a little too on the nose. This way they've had the freedom to lampoon lots of different spies. It's like how I think Austin Powers came up a while back; superficially it's a James Bond parody because that's all most Americans know, but it draws a lot more inspiration from Euro spy flicks.
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AceOfFlames posted:Yeah maybe "dopey" was too harsh. I just couldn't find an adjective to properly convey his signature voice. I love everything Benjamin does but his characters do tend to be various shades of not terribly bright/lazy. That's fair, there's a certain distinct cadence to it. I think the key thing is it works well for characters who aren't stupid necessarily, but all the more hilarious when they do and say stupid things. The Master in Venture Bros comes to mind as a character who's entire competent and powerful, but also a huge troll.
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I suddenly realised that one of the few things that could improve Angry Beavers' voice cast is John H Benjamin voicing Oxnard Montalvo.
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Just me or does he look a lot like Jack Black? Also that's a pretty good run.
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gohuskies posted:Austin Powers really hosed the Bond franchise. So tough to go back and do this stuff after it was satirized that well. I think they didn't realise that most of the poo poo Austin Powers spoofed was the poo poo that everyone loved about it.
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Apropos of nothing I just learned that apparently, The Spy Who Loved Me movie is completely different from the book... at Fleming's request, because he never liked how the book turned out. Camp is something that Hollywood really struggles to do nowadays- especially in live action, it's almost a forgotten art. Everything either needs to be deadly serious or have tension constantly deflated with quips.
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I've heard it said about the Brosnan movies that he got better at playing Bond as the movies got worse.Space Jam posted:e: it’s kinda funny considering the best movies are partial reboots with new actors (The Living Daylights, Goldeneye and Casino Royale). Hopefully the trend continues and the next one will kick rear end. Hire Martin Campbell again. That's probably not a coincidence; semi-reboots to reinvigorate a franchise are when you want to actually put in the effort after having coasted for too long with mediocrity and/or ill-advised trend-chasing. So you get both a back-to-basics approach to the franchise while also giving thought to what actually works in the current era, but risk-averse enough to not do anything too outlandish or ill-advised to try to compete with whatever the kids are into these days.
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Human Tornada posted:My hot James Bond take is that Pierce Brosnan is not a very good actor. He coasts pretty far on his looks and natural presence but he just can't act. Came up before that Brosnan is considered to have gotten better at playing Bond the worse the movies got. I think he's just in one of those niches where he's cast in roles based on his looks, accent and screen presence but don't actually give him anything to work with.
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Mantis42 posted:You don't need to be a good actor to play James Bond. Like good looks and natural presence are 90% of the character. Plus, he got atrocious scripts I dunno if it's a nostalgia imprinting thing but Brosnan almost feels like he'd play a parody of Bond better than the real thing.
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peekaboo gangster posted:When I took him to see Die Another Day, that line was approximately where my dad began giggling and he did not stop until the end of the movie. I like how that title sequence has bits of story progression in it; shared DNA with its successor. Also the full version of the song veers dangerously close into "so bad its good" territory; the same cannot be said for the likes of No Time to Die or Writing's on the Wall. A lot of 80s music has a certain kind of confidence in its presentation that really stands out next to the tryhard 90s. I mostly blame the cocaine.
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Was You Only Live Twice the one where Roald Dahl was writing for it?
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Spectre's ending is like something out of a parody.
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Also getting tied to lots of things in suspiciously contrived situations.
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That's pretty much its own genre of Bond parodies, going back to The Man Called Flintstone.
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I still kinda love that the movie is specifically a riff on Moonraker, the most recent Bond movie at the time I think, so its plot involves presenting a Stone Age space program completely straight faced. Which is probably the funniest way to do it.
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Reminds me how Bill Murray ended up voicing Garfield because he mistakenly thought the Coen Brothers were involved.
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Skyfall is still fun for, as it's been described, Bond basically trying on different styles of character like different suits. Especially suddenly becoming Scottish Batman complete with his ancestral manor and his own Alfred. And then an ending that comes off more like a Western siege/shootout.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:The Craig movies have a similar problem to the JJTrek movies: the progression in them feels unearned. It feels like you're dropped in the beginning and the middle/end of the story without much to support it aside from the history in the films coming before Casino Royale. Seems like a common problem in modern cinema, the MCU really feels the same way a lot of the time. Like, there's barely any time shown for there to be a status quo before they start shaking it up.
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DarkSol posted:Just a way to sneak the name of the movie into the film's dialog. Kind of like how Dalton Bond quips about "scaring the living daylights" out of Kara when he doesn't snipe her, just way more clunky and nonsensical. That's taken straight from the original short story that was basically adapted into the cold opening, incidentally.
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DarkSol posted:He's in a dive bar! When in Rome and all that jazz lol James Bond does strike me as the type to be a massive performative snob about alcohol but when there's no one that he can be bothered trying to impress he'll drink anything.
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Dec 7, 2023 08:03
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well why not posted:Fraser Crane used to chill in a dive bar every week. I've never been quite sure how you define a dive bar, Cheers always came off far more as your cosy local. Moe's is a dive bar.
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DeimosRising posted:This one at least is true. No red wine with fish is purely an upper class French affectation. It is funny that it’s become received wisdom in the U.S. though I'm pretty sure there's probably a direct throughline there for a few reasons.
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Gatts posted:Should have given at least a one off Idris Elba Bond. I think someone thought for five minutes of the implications of a black lead played straight as a violent hedonistic sexual predator.
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gohuskies posted:He’s making a Daisy Ridley action movie right now, he is amazingly still working. Small Strange Bird posted:Ridley Scott is 86, just sayin'. And they clearly need to make a Metroid movie, and find someone named Scott Daisy to play Ridley.
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Still pretty funny that The Living Daylights is technically an adaptation of the original short story by Fleming, and then adds on the rest of the movie after using that for the cold opening.
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Lobok posted:The TWINE talk reminds me, Brosnan is an underrated physical actor. He sells pain incredibly well, like he's honestly weirdly gifted in that regard, but also a lot of the best humour in his Bond films is from him and not the dialogue. IMO he really missed his calling in comedy. I remember him being opposite Robin Williams in Mrs Doubtfire and I'm pretty sure he actually held his own, which is its own kind of impressive. He's even almost as hairy. man nurse posted:I think this is why I love it and others hate it, it’s so antithetical to what the general person considers to be Bond. Craig’s Bond conveys very well the sort of damaged psyche of an officially sanctioned hitman, like he has to be this way because it’s all he knows, yet something inside him is cynical about it. Because it’s “straight out of the books” I completely eat that poo poo up. Skyfall worked with it by having him be Bat-Bond. And fighting Liquid Bond. They should lean into that. Batman's already had plenty of James Bond homages complete with Alfred basically being a retired Bond. Also I'm still waiting for when the finale finally has Bond fight a Metal Gear.
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