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~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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R. Guyovich posted:

the studio went ahead with spectre despite everyone involved with production seeing the script and knowing it was a soggy turd so i'm not optimistic about things if they're already triaging with a new screenwriter

It really is astounding how long they take to crank these films out now and they still end up as weird messes.
Like that whole torture chair they were saying cost however many million to construct, I assume they only kept that stupid scene in the film because they had wasted so much money on that chair prop.

Anyway, this stupid editorial came up on my google news and I mostly agree with it.
https://nypost.com/2019/04/27/how-whiney-daniel-craig-killed-james-bond/

Craig is probably the best actor, and definitely has some of the best directors and cinematography, but his movies are such a slog.

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~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Payndz posted:

I also dislike the movie-to-movie progression (that also happened in the Star Trek reboot) of:
First film: an origin story! Meet our hero before he became the person you know!
Second film: our hero's very next mission! He's still green and makes mistakes, but learns from them to become closer to the person you know!
Third film: our hero is burned out and disillusioned after all his gruelling adventures (that you didn't see), and is on the verge of quitting. Wait, what?

I strongly agree with this.
The end of Skyfall setting up Mallory as the new M and "promising" that the next film was going to be a straight mission, no interconnectedness, no going rogue was the biggest setup for the great disappointment that was Spectre.

(I still think Spectre was actually a better movie than Skyfall though.)

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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I can't remember where I read or heard it (Sony hack?) but there was something about they already built this ridiculous torture chair prop for a ridiculous amount of money and then were sunk-cost fallacy forced into keeping it in the film even though it was completely superfluous.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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AstroWhale posted:

Whose perspective is that?

By that metric the only themes that are relevant are Goldfinger and The Man With The Golden Gun.

Hmm, maybe it's about time we had another theme about how bad the title villain is. Too bad we didn't get Shatterhand for Bond25.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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DAD has to be the only movie where the DVD looks better than the BluRay.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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I really hope that after Craig retires that they drop all this arc bullshit.
Honestly EON getting the rights to use SPECTRE after Skyfall was a Bad Idea.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Isn't Craig the longest tenure as Bond by calendar days?

Maybe they shouldn't take 5 years to make each one.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Cacator posted:

Hans Zimmer is doing the score for No Time to Die and so far that's probably the most exciting thing about this movie.

Noooooo

Oh well, no different to the last two films I guess.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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The Human Crouton posted:

I never cared much for the Thunderball jetpack. I know the whole story and everything. Just not my thing.

Agreed, I think that the worst scenes on Bond films are the ones where the producers sunk-cost-fallacy themselves into keeping them in the final cut.

Other that immediately come to mind are Kananga-Balloon and the Torture Chair in Spectre.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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I like it as much as the other ballad themes so down the bottom, above QoS and DAD, for me.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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I prefer Brosnan to Craig but that's maybe because I was 10 in 1995.
Craig is probably the best actor to have played James Bond but his movies are just so... blehhh.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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NikkolasKing posted:

I cannot for the life of me remember my first Bond for certain but I'd guess it was Goldeneye because I was born in '88 and Goldnee on the N64 was the hottest poo poo ever in 1997/1998. As such I had to see the movie too. Like many I was confused about how you have to minimize scientist casualties in the game but the first thing they do in the film is murder some random scientist.

I distinctly remember the being a shitload of hype for Goldeneye because at that point it had been 7 years since the last one.
Anyway despite being 10 at the time I wasn't allowed to see it in the cinema. Owned.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Just did a TimmyD marathon yesterday and one of the guys I was with said that Daylights was terrible!
Needless to say he's, not my friend anymore...

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Lobok posted:

Same goes for a lot of the movie theme songs actually. The old 30th Anniversary Collection CD tracks are burned into my brain as the "real" songs so whenever I'm watching one of the movies the theme usually is different in some way. A slightly different arrangement, or different ending, or it's just shorter, etc.

Was the the CD that came out between TND and TWINE?
I checked that out of the library and ripped it and all of those versions are now the definitive ones for me too.

Sometimes I do like to listen to the "alternates" Goldeneye with the really extended intro.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Goldeneye score is not great but if you listen to podcasts and read internet articles (which if you're reading this thread then you probably do) then you would think it was the most terrible thing ever.
I watched it in the cinema last week and it was Fine.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Basebf555 posted:

The lyrics just kinda don't make much sense because the word Thunderball is meaningless. He strikes.....like Thunderball? What does that even mean?

Just like the Moonraker knows his dream will come true some day.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Although, the actual Soviet Russians are never the true enemy of the film.
They may be adversaries, but in the end it's always either SPECTRE or a rogue general.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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LionArcher posted:

I Would like going forward for them to not be embarrassed by Bond. A return to the old school formal (mission, non personal, cool gadgets and beautiful people he hooks up) would feel refreshing. Just not have it be creepy.

100% agree with this.

(I haven't seen NTTD yet because it doesn't premiere in my country for a whole nother month. gently caress off EON.)

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Hizawk posted:

Has James Bind ever interacted with a kid at all throughout the James bond series? Seems like that came out of nowhere.

Roger Moore cruelly pushes a cute urchin into the water after he helps Bond start his boat.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Payndz posted:

Casino Royale: good, but... the third act fell flat because Le Chiffre - the main villain - was unceremoniously killed offscreen and the climax in the Venice house felt sloppy, unclear and underwhelming compared to Campbell's prior action sequences. Great theme song, though.

Wow, I thought I was the only one who felt this way.

Everyone loves Casino Royale 2006 so much but I always reckoned they should have cut it shorter and made the end part of the next film.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Gatts posted:

I did not enjoy the weird boring slow mumbling drawl that was No Time to Die’s theme song

I'm not a huge fan of the song; it's just maybe OK, but I thought it worked quite well in the credits.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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You could always do the Brosnans in order then go back to Dr. No through to License to Kill.
You wouldn't be missing anything, plus there was a massive time break and tonal shift between Dalton and Brosnan.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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well why not posted:

The Amazing Race except with ski competitions, baccarat tournaments, scuba and a marksmanship range sounds kinda sick.

That would be amazing, so watch it turn out to be gross-out eating competitions and taking taxis between tourist attractions in world cities.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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While we're at it, hire an actor who wants to play Bond not one who is forced to.

(Which is a bit of a shame in my opinion because I actually think Craig is really good despite the films.)

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Apparently his name is Primo although I don't think it comes up in the film anywhere?

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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There's a "Creator" Lego Aston Martin that costs a fortune, is huge, and looks pretty ugly.
The "Speed Champions" set is a great idea for a impulse buy/gift/desk toy.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

Goldeneye was great but XIII was superior multiplayer

Unless I'm missing some kind of joke, XIII was more than 5 years later and another console generation...

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Perfect Dark and Unreal Tournament superiority. I remember doing UT deathmatches in high school with friends when we were supposed to be doing work in the computer lab. If I thought I could get Unreal Tournament 2004 working on my Linux machine, I'd install it in a second.

I never played Quake.

UT2K4 had a Linux (and Mac) official port so that should be easy.
Even if it doesn't run under modern Linux it had both DX9 and OpenGL renderers so I have to imagine it would run perfectly in Wine or a VM.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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It also doesn't help that they can't seem to put out a film in less than 5 years these days.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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monkeytennis posted:

Just watched Moonraker on ITV and that ‘discoed up’ end credits version of the theme is banging.

I thought I was the only one!
In the early 00s I ripped the DVD on my Mac and extracted the audio track from that section, managed to mostly remove Roger Moore's "Why Not?", and converted to MP3.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Cacator posted:

I give Skyfall a pass because it's meant to be a 50th anniversary retrospective for the franchise and not a direct sequel to QoS. Then they hosed everything up in Spectre.

In my opinion this is one of the problems with Die Another Day that I can somewhat forgive it for. It's the 40th anniversary and they tried to stuff it full of homages and references, mostly for bad.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Surrender is good and obviously ties into the score a lot better, but I really do like Tomorrow Never Dies, more in fact.
(I feel like I might be the only one?)

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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DarkSol posted:

:hmmyes:

I misremembered the question though. It was: “Who starred as Bond in the most films?”

Another "trick" question for quiz nights is "Who was the first actor to play Bond?"

Well...

Do you mean basic bitch Sean Connery in Dr No?
Or are you looking for the obscure Barry Nelson in Casino Royale '54?

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before: I'm going to make a case that the clown bomb disarming scene is good, actually. The scene is tense and one of the best edge-of-seat scenes in any of the movies.

Yeah! Although the clown is a bit ridiculous, I've always felt it adds a lot to the frustration of not being able to save the day even though he's right there.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

I specifically deleted it from my James Bond playlist when I got it all those years ago but somehow I still have Die Another Day stuck in my head.

I've come around a little on DAD after I heard someone say to blank your mind from thinking of it as a Bond song and just listening to it as a filler track on a Madonna album.
I love the start of it, the rest is OK, some of the lyrics are trash and I think it would be better without the "witty" samples in it.
She should release the (Mads' version) of it.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Uncle Boogeyman posted:

To be fair to Never Say Never Again, the theme is kind of an '80s soft rock banger (although Diamonds are Forever has Shirley Bassey belting it out so it still probably wins that face-off)

I went to a symphony orchestra Bond extravaganza, and they played that, Look of Love, and the Mission Impossible theme, which was certainly a choice.

(Would have been fine with me if they managed to squeeze those in without missing any of the Eon classics, but nope.)

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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gohuskies posted:

Perhaps the greatest indictment of Spectre is that they could completely waste the biggest Hollywood explosion ever and make it look boring and hum drum. Cubby Broccoli would never let that happen.

I don't disagree, but there's plenty of shots in classic Bond that came out awful and they used them anyway, sunk cost fallacy I guess.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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The best thing about Jaws in Moonraker is that he doesn't just coincidentally appear, like J.W. Pepper.

1. Bond kills Drax's #2
2. Drax calls some kind of henchman hotline to get a new #2
3. Jaws is obviously available, since he no longer works for Stromberg.
4. Jaws then has to fly out to his new employer, and therefore has to go through a metal detector.

Helping Bond at the end is just the cherry on top.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Colostomy Bag posted:

Had to pause for a moment. Three minutes in...M losing his poo poo, Bond in a turtleneck on a plane...ah hell I give up...Jaws was the copilot?

I gotta admit I forgot about that part and it kinda contradicts what I said before.

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~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

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Digital Jedi posted:

Can't wait to see all the villains that Bond killed just somehow still be alive

Hey, it worked for the licenced Bond films!

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