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Jose Oquendo posted:So I'm going to break the OPs heart and tell him the truth: The Brosnan movies are bad. Goldeneye is fine and that's about it. Brosnan Bond is just Roger Moore Bond: The Next Generation. And while Roger Moore being "sexy" feels like part of the joke with those movies, Brosnan is... Legitimately not a bad-looking fellow, and was far more the correct age to play Moore's character.
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~Coxy posted:I strongly agree with this. LesterGroans posted:...same... Skyfall is a very trendy movie that basically owes its entire existence to The Dark Knight, but it's still good. Setting aside its dumb plot and completely shitass writer's block of a final act, Spectre isn't even fun to watch for spectacle purposes. The car chase is terrible. It's a very pretty movie but at least when you watch Blade Runner 2049 you kinda expect nothing much to happen plot-wise.
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Apr 30, 2019 02:57
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As far as Bond movies, there's nothing particularly more painful about Brosnan movies than the Moore ones. For some reason the Moore ones seem to get on TV a lot more often, it feels more difficult to find the Connery movies.
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Aug 14, 2019 01:30
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Basebf555 posted:I actually rewatch Quantum of Solace any time I'm watching the Craig Bonds just because the plot is such a direct sequel to Casino Royale. But I marvel at the ridiculously inept car chase opening every single time because it's just so so bad. I know the behind the scenes reasons for why it turned out that way but it really is a sight to behold. You absolutely cannot follow any of the action at all and because the movie jumps into the scene with nothing to establish what's what, you can't even tell which car Bond is driving half the time. I think it's gotta be the unquestioned worst car chase to ever appear in a blockbuster film. Funnily enough it competes with Spectre in this regard, although the Spectre chase is mostly just boring. E:f;b
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Aug 14, 2019 19:11
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I'm here to make it official, No Time To Die is a really dumb title. It's no Attack of the Clones but it's up there.
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Aug 20, 2019 18:58
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I liked View to a Kill. But I generally don't think of most Bond movies as being Actually Good, except for maybe From Russia with Love and Casino Royale, and even then it's rather debatable.
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Aug 21, 2019 20:05
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Personally the Bond movies that are actually bad to me are the boring ones, like License to Kill and Spectre. I mean I'd never confuse Die Another Day for a good movie. But it involves Bond having a sword fight at Madonna's palace, North Koreans trying to turn into white people at their ice castle, an invisible car, and a death ray that will restart the Korean War. It definitely succeeds on the test of "Does this at least sound hilarious?"
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Aug 21, 2019 21:24
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Payndz posted:How the gently caress did Spectre end up costing a quarter of a billion dollars to make? (Budget estimates range from $245m to $300m.) There's nothing in it - on screen, at least - bigger or more spectacular than anything done by the previous movies, in most cases on a small fraction of the budget. (Inflation-adjusted, the budgets of TSWLM and Moonraker are $59m and $120m.) Aside from the Bond brand being about largesse in production--weird locations! the most... everything! (such as the largest practical explosion ever!)--product and service connections charging quadruple because they know it's a Bond film, and what Timby said, I'm not sure they're as expensive on the balance sheet when you count up all the endorsement deals.
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Oct 6, 2019 21:27
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Basebf555 posted:lol you're right, it was right out of I Know What You Did Last Summer or one of those even dumber ones like Valentine. The entire last act reeked of "we rewrote this at the last minute" and was the toothpick holding together that poo poo sandwich of a movie. As every other Craig movie seems to be dire and the ones in between very good to great, it seems we're due another good one.
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Dec 4, 2019 19:59
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Timby posted:That's because it was. Production was shut down for like a month to rewrite the last hour or so of the movie. Yeah I had read that they were having an epic case of writer's block due to some disagreements among Key People. But they should've just gone with Option A, whatever it was.
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Dec 4, 2019 22:38
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I only saw it once when it first came out and thought it was pretty good then, didn't understand the complaints. It includes some pretty weak film-making and outside of the guy being sentenced to death by oil is not at all a memorable movie.
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Dec 6, 2019 21:17
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OK I've said this before, but Skyfall is basically The Dark Bond/The Dark Bond Rises/Returns, along with all the sociopolitical baggage of the source material, now magnified by Bond already being a devastatingly regressive/conservative character. Even read charitably it's basically another "the Cold War never ended, you relativist lefty shits!" plotline, where the one thing separating Bond from the human garbage is his unrepentant "my country right or wrong" nationalism. Hoo boy, a lot of ugly things to unpack there. And if you can't now handle Bond's wild misogyny (which has been out of place for decades, not just recently), well, you should've folded a while ago. Pretty much the only thing different now is that the Craig movies don't try to make it cool. Bond as a character constantly teetering on the edge of being a complete burnout but always brought back into the fold because Britain needs his kind of patriot feels new for Bond, but is not new at all for the material it's cribbing directly from, and conveniently very conservative in a way that not even classic Bond usually manages. So Skyfall is compelling as a Bond movie, very well-shot and acted, but like all Bond is a trashy, guilty pleasure. And yes Spectre regresses awkwardly to the mean, treading over ground we already covered even in Casino Royale. The idea of this Bond falling in love with anyone, let alone in the way they executed it, is laughable. The excellent casting is completely wasted. Even the car chase is poo poo. Wow! That movie sucks poo poo!
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Dec 7, 2019 01:35
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ThanosWasRight posted:Skyfall Is overrated and only an idiot would plug an enemies computer into a network that controls the locks on said enemies prison. It has some extremely 90's movie hacking scenes that it dresses up well because everyone took notes from Christopher Nolan.
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Dec 7, 2019 10:02
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Jose Oquendo posted:It had an April release so yeah it was effectively finished. Unfortunately, in order for these movies to make their 8 shitzillion-dollar production budgets back they have to (A) have ludicrous amounts of product endorsements and (B) release in theaters.
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Mar 4, 2020 20:48
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Barudak posted:Quantum of Solace is just tremendously awful while for me Die Another Day is just mediocre, a filler bond movie. Craig Bond script-wise is chasing trends in genre films while still trying to be on-brand Bond movies. So they'll have gritty Christopher Nolan stories and Paul Greengrass fights that also involve 90's movie "hacking" and the fate of the world resting on poker games where everyone at the table is not there to play poker. When it works it works, and when it doesn't it really doesn't.
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May 14, 2020 03:46
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~Coxy posted:Goldeneye score is not great but if you listen to podcasts and read internet articles (which if you're reading this thread then you probably do) then you would think it was the most terrible thing ever. I'm a huge fan of movies where the score sounds like a temp track taken from a porn that no one bothered to replace. Every Bond movie costs five billion dollars to make and that is what they used. Of all the Bond movies the Brosnan set has probably aged the worst, and no one really bothers to defend anything after Goldeneye. It did have a tank chase, after all.
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Oct 16, 2020 14:41
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So I'm going over the first 22 Bond movies currently running on YouTube in order, several of which I haven't seen or seen so long ago I may as well not have. This is definitely my first time on You Only Live Twice. Dear lord is this is a horrendous mess. The pacing is awful, the plot makes no sense, and it somehow has too many characters. The Japan stuff is end-to-end what in the gently caress territory. It's wild that Bond is even more off-putting and unlikeable in this than the previous movie, in which he just outright rapes a nurse until she loves him.
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Dec 6, 2020 09:06
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Cacator posted:Tanya Roberts lived to die another day. Good lord Roger Moore was 28 years older than Tanya (the latter of whom is still listed as dead on IMDB).
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Jan 6, 2021 00:06
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Moonraker for better or worse is the best Moore film. The villain is good and the humor generally works, which is more than I can say for the other "funny" Moore movies. None of this is high art but it should at least be amusing. The worst Moore one is by far Man with the Golden Gun, which is remarkable given how uneven the Moore movies are and how long it takes Moore to finally hang up the tuxedo. I was trying to binge the Bond movies when they went free and getting through the 15 years of Moore movies burnt me out. Name Change fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 20:12
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Spy has some excellent sequences and a good song, but yeah it's very been-there-done-that in other respects. The ending is sleep-inducing.
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Apr 20, 2021 21:41
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Pumaman is probably in the top three for MST3K movies.
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May 31, 2021 19:45
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Payndz posted:It really is. It's great for introducing someone to MST3K. The downside is that whatever you follow it with almost certainly won't be as well-received, and you end up with someone who has watched 1.5 episodes of MST3K in their life. (Cf: my wife) You do Pumaman, Space Mutiny, and maybe Prince of Space, This Island Earth, or Jack Frost. The secret to MST3K is they need something to work with, they can't spin gold out of hay. There's a lot of stuff that's so bad it can't be improved.
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Payndz posted:Ironically, Space Mutiny was the second episode I showed my wife. She'd had enough after about 40 minutes, and never wanted to watch another one.  I turned on Jack Frost last night after having this conversation to see if I was full of crap (it's been like 20 years), still wonderful.
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Basebf555 posted:There are some arbitrary(to an American at least) hurdles that movies have to get over to be released in China right? Like, anything supernatural with magic or ghosts is a no-go right? So sometimes that can effect which films end up making big international money, because obviously China is one of the biggest markets out there. Many are self-imposed, pre-emptive decisions as the film industry globalizes its blockbuster productions to ensure a return on investment. Changes center around politically-sensitive issues, typically not blanket bans like NO GHOSTS ALLOWED. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-movies.html quote:When the creators of “Pixels” wanted to show aliens blasting a hole in the Great Wall of China, Sony executives worried that the scene might prevent the 2015 movie’s release in China, leaked studio emails show. They blew up the Taj Mahal instead. This also begs the question of what studios have always done to appease the American government, especially when they want to depict the American military or have any use of military assets for productions. The answer: Quite a lot, in countless cases.
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sean10mm posted:Well yeah, if you want to use the military's own hardware (and sometimes even people!) they get veto power over the production that uses them. Well the point is that it's just sort of naive to believe studios aren't constantly marketing to both censors and audiences. 20-30 years ago there were still lots of Asian villains in cinemas. Now that the industry has really broken through to China, we avoid this but have a lot of Russian gangster antagonists, possibly more than ever.
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Aug 13, 2021 21:59
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I didn't really get the feeling this was badly written, but I did get the feeling that they were trying as hard as they could to make the plot developments from SPECTRE actually matter in a good movie this time. In the end they gleefully embraced Classic Bond with a genocidal megalomaniac on a deserted island. After four movies of Bourne Identity, Dark Knight Returns, etc. it was fun to go back to form. There's a bunch of nods to Lazenby Bond, which is really a deep cut when it comes to the Bond pantheon. I don't know if I would buy stock in anyone from this movie becoming the "new" Bond. checkplease posted:Die another day is certainly a type of bond film, but probably too far into the campy gadgets. And today you can just watch the fast and furious series instead to get more humor and superior stunt work. It's borderline to call the action sequences in F&F live action at this point, and its best movies are 2-3 behind it.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:And both of them cozy up to Alicia Vikander in their own classically creepy ways. It's about an hour too long
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Oct 11, 2021 02:01
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massive spider posted:Heres Pulps rejected theme lol this is awful.
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Oct 12, 2021 07:33
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We have rebooted the franchise seven times. We have become exceedingly efficient at it.
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Oct 12, 2021 10:55
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Payndz posted:Well, technically Connery, Lazenby and Moore were all supposed to be the same James Bond because the marriage and then murder of Teresa in OHMSS overtly links them all together. Having watched a lot of these in a row a couple of months ago (god help me what a slog at times), continuity was strictly optional depending on how cheesy or serious the script was. Most of the time the Moore movies are an overt rejection of OHMSS Bond.
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Oct 12, 2021 22:39
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Class3KillStorm posted:A View to a Kill's plotting is dumb, because the pre-titles and all the stuff through Zorin's estate set up an interesting story of Zorin feeding British-based innovations to the Soviets. It's small scale, but interesting and possibly scary in its original time, especially with the idea that he was selling out British/Western resilience to nuclear attacks to an enemy nuclear superpower. I kinda like View to a Kill, if you're going to have a megalomaniac, go all in and make him a Mengelian-by-way-of-comic books genetic abomination whose super power is being the most ultimate sociopath.
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Oct 12, 2021 22:48
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Class3KillStorm posted:Safin's whole deal is that he 1) wants his family legacy back and 2) revenge on the people who took his family away. You're right that he accomplishes both - by killing off SPECTRE directly, and Blofeld indirectly, using their own nanovirus - about halfway through the film. This leaves Safin in charge of his old family business, which is now SPECTRE's poison manufacturing island, and his general plan is to sell the nanobots off to outside rogue terrorist organizations and/or nations, now that he has proven that it works. Safin himself doesn't care about HOW the virus gets used. He's a weapon designer now - "it's not my finger on the trigger" kind of thing. He just wants to sell the means to kill the world, he doesn't seem to care himself who the virus actually gets used against. (Contrast that with Dr. Obruchev in the finale, who seems to be taking much more pleasure at the idea of targeted application with his comments to Nomi about being able to wipe an entire race out at one fell swoop.) This is not correct, it's clear that Safin has an exhaustive list of people to be rid of and is doing a Moonraker. Though it doesn't really matter, because either way billions will die.
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Oct 18, 2021 20:12
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Class3KillStorm posted:If that's the case, then it makes the artificial ticking clocks of "oh no, Safin is going to sell his nanobot virus to these mysterious outside parties coming in via speedboat" and "we're trying to stave off political conflict between the UK, Russia, Japan and US while doing a clandestine operation on a disputed island" seem even more pointless and contrived. I'll admit, I was confused when the fearsome speedboats never showed up and Safin just... Stayed on the island.
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Oct 18, 2021 20:50
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:In some ways, I almost like that better. A lot of the movies depicted Bond as more of a superhero than a secret agent. The movie version seems to be an Evil Supersoldier. Don't know if that's less or more ridiculous than a literal lunatic. All of the Connery movies are of course silly, but any of the movies are better when Bond is plausibly in danger and not running circles around the competition, the latter of which took hold far more often in the Moore era. That's just basic storytelling quality. Bond can also never be mistaken for a John le Carré character.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I’m not the first person to say this but the outlandish thing in Quantum of Solace isn’t the bad guy’s plot, it’s the idea that MI6 would be opposed to it. James Bond does not have the emotional intelligence to be a part of MI6 in real life, I've been repeatedly told by MI6!
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Nov 12, 2021 19:55
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sean10mm posted:Craig Bond was exactly as stupid as the old Bonds on substance, they just had a veneer of dourness on top that made them feel more "serious." In Casino Royale he's resurrected by his car. The Bond writers learned from Christopher Nolan what kind of ridiculous nonsense you could get away with if you just filmed everything like it was a sequel to Heat.
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The difference between the worst of the Brosnan movies and Golden Gun (easily the worst Moore movie) is that while all are dire, Golden Gun is outright boring and doesn't really look like they spent much money on it, from what I remember.
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Dec 7, 2021 19:45
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I can't help but find Moonraker amusing, as its particular brand of camp ridiculousness also has one of the better Moore villains. The Brosnan Bonds pretty much all follow Moonraker's exact formula.
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Lazenby as vulnerable Bond was derided at the time but has turned around to become the most compelling aspect of the character when anyone wants to actually tell a story with Bond. Bond being legitimately afraid he's going to die is something that sticks out decades later. Also he does a sick F5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swqR39aRynU&t=204s
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chitoryu12 posted:It wasn't until the Moore era that the movies started seriously leaning into showing off the latest of everything like fancy digital watches and early jet skis, and then the late Brosnan and Craig era for the really expensive tie-ins like special editions of Bollinger champagne and limited release Omega watches. So, 50 years ago, give or take
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