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Caros posted:The dead man walking aspect of nuclear accidents has always been one of the parts that made it so drat creepy for me. The one that always stuck with me was the so called 'demon core' that ended up killing two researchers in two different accidents. In the latter, the idiot scientist was holding a hemisphere of beryllium over the core with nothing but the head of a screwdriver keeping it from closing and going supercritical. His hand slipped, and there was a flash bright enough for an observer with his back turned to notice it, even though the room was very well lit. The scientist in question pulled the top off within a fraction of a second, but in that mere instant he had taken on a lethal dose of radiation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ0P7R9CfCY
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The only known photo of reactor 4 on the morning of the accident. Grainy because radiation was exposing the film as the helicopter circled the powerplant. And the real recording of the dispatch phonecall to the various fire departments, which the show included. That dialing tone sound creepy as hell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgxPs-L-Bhg As for the show I liked the establishing shot of prypyat the next morning in the distance with all the trees dead and yellow directly downwind of the power station.  And for those who don't know, the power station continued operating for a long time, the last reactor (reactor 3) was turned off in 2000, reactors 5 and 6 were never finished due to the disaster of reactor 4.
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BigglesSWE posted:
From what I've read it's a bunch of little things that, if one of them had not happened, there would have been no disaster. It's a fascinating thing to read about but starting immediately with the explosion gives the show a focus you would otherwise not have. One of the things that stood out for me from reading Chernobyl: History of a Tragedy by Serhii Plokhy was the test having to wait for a crucial engineer to arrive. He wanted to show his vitality by walking to work every day and he also took time to berate some employees he ran in to on something they did wrong. By itself this is quite trivial but on top of all the other small things that had already happened the disaster became ever more unavoidable.
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May 7, 2019 14:11
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Everything is fine, nothing to worry about! *projectile vomits and then passes out*
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May 7, 2019 14:50
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A very good effort post someone who has been to chernobyl made on imgur. like a hundred pictures + descriptions but also some diagrams of the layout of the building (pre and post explosion) he made too. Proclick: https://imgur.com/a/TwY6q
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May 7, 2019 15:33
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How is that a photo of the morning of the accident when the fire lasted for days?
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drunkill posted:A very good effort post someone who has been to chernobyl made on imgur. like a hundred pictures + descriptions but also some diagrams of the layout of the building (pre and post explosion) he made too. This is super cool, thanks.
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May 7, 2019 16:10
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Oh hell yeah, been waiting for this
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May 7, 2019 16:34
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How gross does the show get? I'm interested in the subject matter but would probably be turned off if there's a lot of gore porn and humans melting.
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May 7, 2019 17:13
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So far it's just red faces and puking, but I imagine there will be worse in the next episodes
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May 7, 2019 17:14
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Judging by the trailers, there’s gonna be some quite gruesome bits with the poor folks who got the worst of it. There’s already a fair amount of puking, which always grosses me out quite a bit.
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May 7, 2019 17:40
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drunkill posted:Good show so far, really liked episode 1. Craig Mazin does talk about the accents, he said that the actors just started acting accents instead of acting characters, so they just ditched the Russian accent.
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May 7, 2019 18:10
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Great idea of me to watch this last night then have a poo poo ton of x-rays this morning
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Despera posted:Great idea of me to watch this last night then have a poo poo ton of x-rays this morning Everything is fine. You’ll be fine! *stands behind lead wall*
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May 7, 2019 19:23
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CeeJee posted:From what I've read it's a bunch of little things that, if one of them had not happened, there would have been no disaster. It's a fascinating thing to read about but starting immediately with the explosion gives the show a focus you would otherwise not have. Yeah, it surprised me that the explosion literally happens in the first few minutes, especially when they're showing how the bureaucracy makes everything worse. I don't remember the entire story, but it happened as a result of a test they were performing (removing the control rods?) except that there were a hundred different factors that were off, and should have told them the test wasn't safe. But they went ahead with it anyway.
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May 7, 2019 19:26
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Phenotype posted:Yeah, it surprised me that the explosion literally happens in the first few minutes, especially when they're showing how the bureaucracy makes everything worse. I don't remember the entire story, but it happened as a result of a test they were performing (removing the control rods?) except that there were a hundred different factors that were off, and should have told them the test wasn't safe. But they went ahead with it anyway. I think the idea of the show is that Harris' character is gonna come in and examine all those things in detail as part of his investigation, and of course he'll struggle to get anyone to actually acknowledge his conclusions.
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May 7, 2019 19:29
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That podcast (which was very interesting and good) implies that future episodes will touch upon the build up to the disaster, including what happened in the control room.
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BigglesSWE posted:That podcast (which was very interesting and good) implies that future episodes will touch upon the build up to the disaster, including what happened in the control room. Probably via flashback and Harris conducts interviews
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May 7, 2019 19:44
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drunkill posted:A very good effort post someone who has been to chernobyl made on imgur. like a hundred pictures + descriptions but also some diagrams of the layout of the building (pre and post explosion) he made too. Gah, beat me to it. Anyway, here's what the reactor looked like, for people who don't feel like combing through the post:     And then it became this:
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Was reading in that imgur link with the pictures that one guy who was sent to prison for his role in the disaster was eventually declared insane and institutionalized......for a while and then they released him and he went back to work in a nuclear plant lol
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That was a great first episode. The actors are really selling the dawning realization of "oh gently caress". I was slightly distracted because Bruykhanov(the curly haired director or whatever he is) reminded me a lot of the headless doctor from Re-Animator.
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That shot was incredible. Same when the two techs went into the pump room only to see it was obliterated (the part where the third man was holding the door for them). And, I felt so bad for the two techs that went to re-start the water pumps. It almost hurt to watch, especially the younger one. They knew they were hosed, they knew they had to get the water flowing, and the younger one thought they had hosed it all up. I've read about Chernobyl before, and the thing that sucks the most is that the most heroic guys trying to stop things from getting worse died horribly for their efforts. For example, the water pump guys I mentioned above took a fatal dose of radiation doing that; they got irradiated by a chunk of slag embedded in the wall. LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 21:15 on May 7, 2019 |
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May 7, 2019 21:11
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bloom posted:That was a great first episode. The actors are really selling the dawning realization of "oh gently caress". Jared Harris: *scoff* Plagarist
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Phenotype posted:Yeah, it surprised me that the explosion literally happens in the first few minutes, especially when they're showing how the bureaucracy makes everything worse. I don't remember the entire story, but it happened as a result of a test they were performing (removing the control rods?) except that there were a hundred different factors that were off, and should have told them the test wasn't safe. But they went ahead with it anyway. The whole thing happened because they wanted to test whether it was possible to keep the water systems that cool the reactor online with the residual power of a turbine shutting down, to cover the minute or so of lag between shutting down the turbines and their emergency diesel generators turning on. There's a whole lot more technical reasons why that led to the accident but the lovely thing is that they'd done numerous tests like that before and the confluence of events meant that this time the reactor exploded. Interestingly enough it seems there's still debate about what actually caused the explosions. No one is entirely sure whether it was purely steam explosions or actually a combination of steam explosions and a supercriticality event like the demon core mentioned earlier.
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RedneckwithGuns posted:Interestingly enough it seems there's still debate about what actually caused the explosions. No one is entirely sure whether it was purely steam explosions or actually a combination of steam explosions and a supercriticality event like the demon core mentioned earlier. Yea the issue there seems to be that once the explosion occurred nobody could get close enough to really analyze anything properly and even if they could, the lid from the reactor(which weighed hundreds of tons) had fallen down in there and just created such a mess because it penetrated the bottom containment wall and so fuel and all the various radioactive poo poo was just everywhere after that. The elephants foot thing is the end result of all the sludge seeping down through the bottom containment wall and through the various levels of the facility until it eventually came to rest in a big lump. So it was never possible to really observe what the conditions were in there immediately after the explosion.
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Oh man, that was so good. Probably the most anxious I've ever been watching something, the sense of dread was so enveloping. I love the aesthetic they've chosen visually, taking on the patina of an 80's horror movie. The subject matter is so much more serious, but at it's core, that's what this first episode was: a horror movie. At least we know some of the people at the plant can survive, since Pukey McThisCan'tBeHappening is still around in two years to be sent to the gulag. Sucks for the firefighters and plant workers who will all be dead within a few hours or days... Radiation poisoning is a horrifying way to die: the analogy of a three-dimensional sunburn is completely accurate. You are literally flash cooked, all the way through. Even worse, you've now yourself become a walking, lethal dose of radiation. Anyone that touches those guys that went near the core will almost certainly die as well. Big fancy radiation bunker doesn't help if you bring in someone who has received a fatal dose. 
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This is the best documentary on Chernobyl btw, it goes into a lot of stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v40hu54fAvw
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I'd been pretty pumped for this show, and the premier blew me away. Totally agree with the earlier poster who likened it to a horror film. I love the sense of dread, and how people are sacrificing themselves to lessen the damage, but no one cares. I had a college roommate who spent part of his childhood in Germany, and his earliest memory was being plucked from the backyard sandbox and brought indoors, once Germans were made aware of the disaster. I also had a co-worker awhile back who grew up in Ukraine, and she claimed that she didn't hear about the Chernobyl incident until she moved to Israel some time in the 90s. I don't know when average Ukraine residents were told, but if her story is true, that's crazy. Does anyone else remember a big article in either National Geographic or Smithsonian some time back, for the 20th anniversary? It went into detail about the disaster itself, as well as the following 20 years. That was what actually piqued my interest in Chernobyl.
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LadyPictureShow posted:
Apparently none of those water pump guys actually died. In fact one is still alive and received a medal just last year.
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Danger posted:Apparently none of those water pump guys actually died. In fact one is still alive and received a medal just last year. Whoops. The two guys that got irradiated turning valves were opening emergency oil drain valves for the turbines. Had the wrong valves.
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Danger posted:Apparently none of those water pump guys actually died. In fact one is still alive and received a medal just last year. Akimov and young guy definitely died and it was trying to get the pumps working. Now guy who got burns holding the door open and later accepts a cigarette, he survived believe it or not.
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This thing was filmed entirely in Lithuania (we have a decomissioned RMBK reactor in Visaginas). I think the hospital and the investigators apartment where he hangs himself were both filmed in my city https://modernizmasateiciai.lt/en/mozes-posvianskio-ir-girso-kliso-namas/ this is the house the movie opens in.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Even worse, you've now yourself become a walking, lethal dose of radiation. Anyone that touches those guys that went near the core will almost certainly die as well. Big fancy radiation bunker doesn't help if you bring in someone who has received a fatal dose. Isn't that just if you've been contaminated by radioactive dust etc? The radiation itself doesn't linger after cooking your insides, so even though someone got a huge rear end dose in the control room, they wouldn't be dangerous to others until they went outside and got covered in ash.
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Hobo Clown posted:How gross does the show get? I'm interested in the subject matter but would probably be turned off if there's a lot of gore porn and humans melting. I know one of the guys who did makeup on this. From what I gather, yes, it's very bad, but never gore-porn, always to tell the story. He was very moved doing research for it.
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A good friend of mine was born in Kiev in the early 80's and remembers the whole Chernobyl disaster as a child. Not too long afterwards, she and her family escaped to France (specifically because of Chernobyl) and then found their way to Brooklyn. She's an accomplished human rights lawyer who travels all the time as a result, and the last time she was in Ukraine (three years ago) she actually took the grand tour of Pripyat and posted about 300 photos worth to her Facebook account. She had no idea that HBO was making a miniseries out of this. I told her about it last night and showed her the trailer. She said she's gonna watch it tonight with her husband. I will report back here what her opinions are regarding it and any stories she might have to tell.
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ymgve posted:Isn't that just if you've been contaminated by radioactive dust etc? The radiation itself doesn't linger after cooking your insides, so even though someone got a huge rear end dose in the control room, they wouldn't be dangerous to others until they went outside and got covered in ash. Science questions should probably be asked elsewhere since this forum can't even manage to tell human voices apart. But yeah contamination is the real concern for harming others. Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 01:00 on May 8, 2019 |
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Jared Harris and Adam Nagaitis should link up for another show in order to complete their "men who are doomed from the moment the first episode starts" trilogy, as started with The Terror. This is so good so far. I was expecting a good dramatisation, not the most terrifying episode of television I have seen in a long time.
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Hobo Clown posted:How gross does the show get? I'm interested in the subject matter but would probably be turned off if there's a lot of gore porn and humans melting. No people's bodies are going to melt in this show. Lots of vomiting, blood and burns, though. Which is the horror of radiation. It kills you from the inside out basically. It doesn't literally melt your insides, but they might as well have melted. Cell walls break down and stuff like that. Your organs stop functioning. Radiation is very small and damages your body at the smallest levels.
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Gorn Myson posted:Jared Harris and Adam Nagaitis should link up for another show in order to complete their "men who are doomed from the moment the first episode starts" trilogy, as started with The Terror. Hell yes. I was so excited to see Nagaitis in this. He was such a standout in The Terror. It really is a horrifying, ominous episode of television.
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ymgve posted:Isn't that just if you've been contaminated by radioactive dust etc? The radiation itself doesn't linger after cooking your insides, so even though someone got a huge rear end dose in the control room, they wouldn't be dangerous to others until they went outside and got covered in ash. Yes, it’s the particulate matter which is radioactive. This can include dust and molecules too small to see. Or irradiated water covering your body. The  low-level lethal doses like the firefighters received does cook your insides, it takes a few days to weeks to die from that. A couple of months at the extreme. The really scary thing are the acute doses that the guys who went into the reactor got. To my knowledge, we still don’t fully understand what kills a person, they think it has something to do with the blood or the brain swelling up. Those guys will be dead in 24-96 hours...
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