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LesterGroans posted:Hell yes. I was so excited to see Nagaitis in this. He was such a standout in The Terror. He's the firefighter Vasily in this one, so... looks like he's in for more terror. One firefighter that died as a result to exposure (he may have been one of the ones that went onto the roof to supervise efforts) was found to have blisters on his heart in a post-mortem examination due to the radiation exposure he endured.
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Gonz posted:A good friend of mine was born in Kiev in the early 80's and remembers the whole Chernobyl disaster as a child. Not too long afterwards, she and her family escaped to France (specifically because of Chernobyl) and then found their way to Brooklyn. She's an accomplished human rights lawyer who travels all the time as a result, and the last time she was in Ukraine (three years ago) she actually took the grand tour of Pripyat and posted about 300 photos worth to her Facebook account. This would be a really cool perspective to have, looking forward to it!
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The agency that created the RMBK reactor—the type used at Chernobyl and still used in Russia—were aware of flaws in its design, including instability at low power. Of course, these were state secrets and never communicated with those who worked on the reactors. As someone said ITT, Chernobyl is as much about the malaise of the Soviet bureaucracy as it is a flawed, rushed and poorly documented reactor (and how too these relate). Even then, as problematic as the original RMBK was, it took numerous presses of the “bad decision” button before the reactor went boom. There were numerous opportunities to avoid and/or mitigate the disaster, but more interesting is the system that led to that reactor and those decisions and what that can teach us about the complex structures (financial, ecological, political, etc.) we wrestle with today.
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drunkill posted:A very good effort post someone who has been to chernobyl made on imgur. like a hundred pictures + descriptions but also some diagrams of the layout of the building (pre and post explosion) he made too.   This is one of the most perfect casting of an existing historical person I've ever seen.
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Yeah it's incredibly horrific to think that those guys glanced at the destroyed core and immediately received a lethal dose. Watched the first part earlier tonight with the lights off, it was intense.
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Mental Hospitality posted:Yeah it's incredibly horrific to think that those guys glanced at the destroyed core and immediately received a lethal dose. They were probably pretty cooked before they opened the door - that was just a for sure hyperblast of direct radiation that settled for sure that they were gonna die
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May 8, 2019 06:54
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Something about posh English folks calling each other Vasily and comrade was a little distracting, but other than that I enjoyed the first episode. I'm interested to see what parts of the cleanup and response they include and exclude or if it's going to be more of a bureaucratic drama than a human one. Some of the army and the miners they brought in to dig under the plant to stop another explosion have some wild stories.
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has anyone watched this and can confirm/deny if it's any good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT7XyBs9yNI
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Gorn Myson posted:Jared Harris and Adam Nagaitis should link up for another show in order to complete their "men who are doomed from the moment the first episode starts" trilogy, as started with The Terror. Are there any other tv shows or movies like this and The Terror? just the overwhelming sense of dread going on is so intense and scary.
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May 8, 2019 08:17
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Excellent pilot. Only thing I'd comment on is that I wish they'd handled Russian characters the way The Americans did. Then again I guess you can't just make Jared Harris Russian so whatever. Still, this looks to be an excellent series.
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May 8, 2019 11:00
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Dunno how it works in The Americans, but I think the way they let the actors do their thing is 150% the right call.
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BigglesSWE posted:Dunno how it works in The Americans, but I think the way they let the actors do their thing is 150% the right call. Pretty sure all of the actors who played Russians, except for Phil, Liz and their handlers were all Russian actors fluent in the language. Now that I think about it though, it wouldn't really work here. Like those casting pictures above, finding someone who looks so much like the real person, is a good actor, AND actually Russian might be asking a bit much 
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for comparison, excerpts from The Truth About Chernobyl by Grigori Medvedev: 
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I rewatched the episode after reading some articles and it's extremely impressive how much they packed in there. There are a lot of scenes that seemed to be really trying to reproduce specific eye-witness testimony from the guys who were there. And yea the casting on the plant manager guy with the curly hair is amazing, I'd seen that picture of him earlier in the day and he's instantly recognizable. I guess the distinctive hair is a big help there.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Pretty sure all of the actors who played Russians, except for Phil, Liz and their handlers were all Russian actors fluent in the language. Now that I think about it though, it wouldn't really work here. Like those casting pictures above, finding someone who looks so much like the real person, is a good actor, AND actually Russian might be asking a bit much I think it might be asking a bit much to do basically the entire show in subtitled Russian. It worked better in The Americans because it was done in single scenes over an English language show.
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May 8, 2019 16:35
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Hunt for Red October had a great switch between Russian and English, when it was all Russian the first few scenes and then switched when the commissar starts reading that book. Pretty much seamless transition.
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I think a good argument for using english language (as long as the production isn't actually from a non-english speaking country) is put forward by Steven Spielberg, in regards to Schindler's List:quote:"there's too much safety in reading [subtitles]. It would have been an excuse [for the audience] to take their eyes off the screen and watch something else." I think there's some truth to that. Also, it makes it easier for an english-speaking audience to take in the events as part of a human tragedy, and not just a national one. If it was all in ukranian and russian, I fear a lot of viewers would 1: be scared off from watching it in the first place and 2: miss some of the thematic undertones that are very relevant today (fake news, anyone?).
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May 8, 2019 17:19
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One problem with Russian language with English subs is that some dialog in this episode, and I'd imagine much more dialog in coming episodes will require the listener to understand the content and tone of the dialog, but tone would be missed by listeners who don't natively speak Russian.
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May 8, 2019 17:40
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Hunt for Red October had a great switch between Russian and English, when it was all Russian the first few scenes and then switched when the commissar starts reading that book. Pretty much seamless transition. Agreed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEvwbxcRaCQ
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Who is the old man to be in the bunker who everyone is clearly terrified of? Is he a historical figure too or just a kind of conglomerate of the ancient party apparatchik wolves that ran everything behind the scenes?
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Pierson posted:Who is the old man to be in the bunker who everyone is clearly terrified of? Is he a historical figure too or just a kind of conglomerate of the ancient party apparatchik wolves that ran everything behind the scenes? I believe in the after credits they said he was a representation of state-level denial based on idealism. Obviously someone made the decision to cut off the town, but it likely wasn't someone from the Politburo (yet) because no one knew how bad the accident was until 48-72 hours in when the evacuation started. Party officials weren't involved until late on the second or third day iirc...
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Gonz posted:I wonder if they’re going to visit the Elephant’s Foot? Craig Mazin. the creator, is my neighbor (yayyyy LA small town) and the answer is YES. Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I believe in the after credits they said he was a representation of state-level denial based on idealism. Obviously someone made the decision to cut off the town, but it likely wasn't someone from the Politburo (yet) because no one knew how bad the accident was until 48-72 hours in when the evacuation started. Party officials weren't involved until late on the second or third day iirc... Yes, he was designed to be one of those crazy-eyed old timers who actually was part of the October 1918 revolution who could effectively be the "Catholic nun" of Soviet socialism and could slap the townsfolks' wrists if they got out of line. MaoistBanker fucked around with this message at 19:00 on May 8, 2019 |
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First episode was great. It generates real existential dread. Reminds me of cold war era stuff like Threads, Countdown to Looking Glass and Testament but even more horrifying because it's a real event.
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I think they found the elephants foot like 6 months after the accident, which would be right around the time when Harris' character is investigating(and I think he was even on the team that found it) so I imagine it will be in the show.
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Hey guys, just wanted you to know it's probably a blown hydrogen tank. The reactor is definitely fine.
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Do you taste metal?
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What's the difference between a Rad, Sievert, and Roentgen
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So what exactly would have gone differently if Dyatlov et al weren't in denial and took the appropriate measures as soon as the explosion occurred? Could much damage have been prevented at that point, aside from the deaths of the poor saps they sent to the reactor?
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Donald Sumpter is listed as "Zharkov" if anyone knows who thats referencing. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7366338/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm El Jeffe posted:So what exactly would have gone differently if Dyatlov et al weren't in denial and took the appropriate measures as soon as the explosion occurred? Could much damage have been prevented at that point, aside from the deaths of the poor saps they sent to the reactor? Calling the fire department pretty much was a death sentence. Delaying the evacuation was probably the worst thing that came out of them thinking it was a hydrogen explosion. Though trying to cool the reactor was somewhat the correct thing to do to avoid it turning into a nuclear fission explosion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster Bout a third of the way down is a rad/sievert comparison Despera fucked around with this message at 22:46 on May 8, 2019 |
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Phi230 posted:What's the difference between a Rad, Sievert, and Roentgen Rotegens are a per hour measurement of radiation release, specifically ionized air. Sieverts is a measurement for dosages of radiation exposure. Stairmaster fucked around with this message at 22:51 on May 8, 2019 |
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'do you know what makes the colours?' 'I don't know but they are beautiful.' 
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May 8, 2019 23:35
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Why does everyone sound British it's so goddamn distracting the entire show
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Donovan Trip posted:Why does everyone sound British it's so goddamn distracting the entire show Honestly mystified by this. Hope y’all never watch Enemy at the Gates... 
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May 9, 2019 02:52
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I've seen it and it's irritating there too, not sure your point
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May 9, 2019 03:00
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When an actor is doing an accent, the performance becomes about the accent. It's a distraction. Now they're not acting, they're doing a voice first, and acting second. The accent informs the performance which can easily become a caricature.
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I've always assumed it's for American audiences (haven't looked up how many Brits are on this show) so that they can have native speakers but have it be 'foreign'.
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It would've added so, so much to the show if they'd pulled it off. It's fine as is, I guess. But if you're gonna use it the actual distress call from the actual event in the beginning of your show maybe a general level of authenticity should be achieved in the rest of it.
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I watched this tonight and to echo everyone's sentiment I thought it was fantastic. Count me as another one who has always been extremely interested in this whole incident so I'm excited to see where they go with this. The british accents are definitely goofy when referring to each other as Vasily and Boris and whatnot but I'm willing to look past it because bad Russian accents would honestly be so much worse.
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Yes with the accents I'm half expecting the Tardis to land on the roof with the doctor walking out and exclaiming "NOPE".
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