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bring back old gbs posted:actually this is what decontamination showers are for, too bad the fancy bigwigs at hbo didnt hire me to tell them: meat cant have radiation in it once its taken away from the radiation source I assume you have a fancy way to wash out their lungs without drowning them?
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Is it beyond the realm of possibility that the Soviets tested the firefighters for radiation once they were in the hospital, found that they were emitting radiation, and then acted based on those readings? Or, did the doctors and scientists just argue about whether or not people can become radioactive just by putting out reactor core fires, come to a consensus, and act on that without ever taking 5 seconds to use readily available equipment to find out for sure, one way or the other?
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Warmachine posted:I assume you have a fancy way to wash out their lungs without drowning them? If only firefighters wore some sort of apparatus designed to filter out fine particles like dust or even smoke. Some sort of respirator, perhaps. tarlibone posted:Is it beyond the realm of possibility that the Soviets tested the firefighters for radiation once they were in the hospital, found that they were emitting radiation, and then acted based on those readings? An American doctor who was literally there treating people said that none of them were radioactive. I definitely buy that that the Soviets were just being cautious and/or paranoid, but they gave the line about the rad-absorbent baby to Khomyuk, the character HBO specifically designed to be the voice of truth and reason. Squinty fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 6, 2019 |
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Warmachine posted:I assume you have a fancy way to wash out their lungs without drowning them? lol you quoted my sarcastic post then the real guy i was making fun of doubled down. nice. tarlibone posted:Is it beyond the realm of possibility that the Soviets tested the firefighters for radiation once they were in the hospital, found that they were emitting radiation, and then acted based on those readings? Really though all we have to do it watch the show, they put the work in. There was no shortage of drama to mine for the story they told. They didn't need to waste time on the firefighter or the wife if there was truly no story there and the facts were wrong anyways. It's another case of a goon thinking he's the single, lone smart guy in the room who caught this HUGE plot hole all us regular teevee watchers missed. they were steeped in radiation and no amount of soviet era firefighter air filters(like just lmao if u can even read the phrase "soviet era firefighter air filters" with a straight face) was going to prevent them from being irradiated. And once you're irradiated you are a source of radiation. It's 2019 and we don't really need to speculate the effects of radiation exposure as if it's some mysterious unknown
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Squinty posted:If only firefighters wore some sort of apparatus designed to filter out fine particles like dust or even smoke. Some sort of respirator, perhaps. Yeah all those firefighters showing up in T-shirt's and whatnot were totally wearing full respirators.
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I think Squinty may be trolling, but that's just because I don't want to assume he's dumb and stubborn.
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jivjov posted:Yeah all those firefighters showing up in T-shirt's and whatnot were totally wearing full respirators. They wore them when they were fighting the fire, which prevents dust and smoke from getting into their lungs in the first place. Again, an actual American doctor who was there treating patients said that none of the patients were radioactive - nearly all their exposure was external.
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Squinty posted:They wore them when they were fighting the fire, which prevents dust and smoke from getting into their lungs in the first place. Again, an actual American doctor who was there treating patients said that none of the patients were radioactive - nearly all their exposure was external. Can you source this info? An American doctor present in Soviet Russia in 1986, near the height of the cold war, treating patients exposed to radiation , at a time Russian and western relations were so bad that I find it highly unlikely that it's true? Also that knowledge that doctor has, maybe it comes from hindsight? Couldn't that be possible?
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Dalael posted:Can you source this info? An American doctor present in Soviet Russia in 1986, near the height of the cold war, treating patients exposed to radiation , at a time Russian and western relations were so bad that I find it highly unlikely that it's true? Also that knowledge that doctor has, maybe it comes from hindsight? Couldn't that be possible? https://cancerletter.com/articles/20190524_3/
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On another note, I used to live right next to a firefighter station between the age of 10 and 16. I've seen the respond to a lot of fires. I've often seen firefights take off and they have the suit on, but they don't put the mask until they're on site and actually need it. Maybe at Chernobyl, by the time they got there and decided to put on the masks, it was too late? Maybe in 1986 the masks/filter technology wasn't up to par? What if they had even older equipment? My point is, there are a gently caress ton of variables and it's not a goon on the somethingawful.com forum, 34 years after the fact, who is going to shed new light on what happened.
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Thank you. I will read it a bit later. I quickly skimmed it and I think it will be an interesting read.
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But, you see, this TV show I just watched...
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Dalael posted:Thank you. I will read it a bit later. I quickly skimmed it and I think it will be an interesting read. Someone in either this thread or the (now locked) one in GBS made a post explaining why this particular doctor isn’t a 100% credible source, but now I can’t find it. 
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Dalael posted:Can you source this info? An American doctor present in Soviet Russia in 1986, near the height of the cold war, treating patients exposed to radiation , at a time Russian and western relations were so bad that I find it highly unlikely that it's true? Also that knowledge that doctor has, maybe it comes from hindsight? Couldn't that be possible? He was there, they sent him over a week after the accident specifically to look after Chernobyl victims because he was a specialist in bone marrow transplants. I've read a bunch of books about this, and there was one that had a whole bunch of interviews with the doctors at Hospital number 6 where all of the famous victims were sent and died. Here's the thing- He Dr. Robert Gale went over, spent the whole time he was there trashing their equipment (which was the best Moscow could offer which wasn't USA amazingness but wasn't total crap either), telling the whole world how backwards they are, and he proceeded to kill pretty much everyone he treated with overly aggressive bone marrow transplants. He then wrote a book about his experiences being the savior of Soviet medicine. The one person he did save with his treatments ultimately wasn't happy because his sister who was the marrow doner died from from the process. In the book I read the soviet doctors basically just considered him western a propaganda arm/ bumblefuck. In this book the soviet doctors described the patients (which included the firefighters) as so radioactive they had to evacuate the floors above and below them to limit the people exposed to radiation. Later the walls, floors, and ceilings to all of these levels were removed and replaced. Of course, a lot of that was going off of interviews with the soviet doctors who, working in the Moscow's most prestigious radiation treatment hospital who surely didn't want a westerner to swing in and see how obviously bereft and backwards Soviet medicine was. Another very important thing to remember that isn't mentioned anywhere is that the Soviet Union only reported the deaths of the victims who were sent to Hospital number 6, which was where the Dr. Gale was. All 31 of the official victims died there, as witnessed by him, so obviously since there was a western witness at this hospital those deaths were reported. Hundreds of victims from the plant and Pripyat were treated and according to word of mouth a whole lot of people died who weren't counted. Or they died at the special radiological heart attack hospital where it was a heart attack and not radiation poisoning. We'll probably never know what was actually happening in any of those hospitals at that time and there were no western observers, the kind of historical verification we'd need to know what really happened might be in the KGB archives but it's probably all gone. poo poo went downhill real fast for the USSR after this firecracker went up.
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Not to double post but I decided to do a quick google and this guy basically made his whole career being the "Savior of Chernobyl" and if I remember right they let him treat 14 people and he killed 13 of them. Look at this BS- https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-05-15-mn-5625-story.html Huurrrr they all gonna die everything he's saying is just sensational as gently caress Two years later here's a news article about how he lead the international team of doctors in treating the victims. How come we didn't even see his rear end in the show if he was so important and not loving off in a back room breaking poo poo all day? It's all self aggrandizing as hell, gently caress this guy. Also halfway through the story it starts to talk about how he likes to use risky procedures on dying people without informing them or their families of the risk. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-05-05-mn-3615-story.html Urgh gross and the worst poo poo is that he wears wooden clogs everywhere including in the operating room in the loving 80s.
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You...you guys realize that this wasn't a documentary you watched right? That it was just a well researched work of historical fiction?
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Solice Kirsk posted:You...you guys realize that this wasn't a documentary you watched right? That it was just a well researched work of historical fiction? Seriously? I thought it was all happening live as I watched it! That's crazy
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Solice Kirsk posted:You...you guys realize that this wasn't a documentary you watched right? That it was just a well researched work of historical fiction? It's a docudrama and the particular section in question is based directly on a first-hand interview with one of the people in the portrayal. Saying "it's just fiction" isn't a defense, it's an insult.
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"The firefighters' bodies weren't actually radioactive, it was the material inside their bodies that was radioactive" is the god-tier pedantery I demand from these forums.
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*snip* Never mind, covered BTW, for those that were wondering about figures  
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SocketWrench posted:*snip* Never mind, covered Using Cyrillic for English words is dumb as hell, I hate it. What's a Sniyapovool?
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ah yes, famous Chernobyl crisis responders "ya-es-kyu-eya" and "scavenge-YA" I hate everyone responsible for this
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"Let us go out for lunch, I know the most delightful pectopah" — lady several jobs ago who wanted everyone to believe she was some kind of Eastern European femme fatale
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I'm looking for a bento box, it cant be розовый (that's Russian for pink) or any girl color. It has to be of 2 or more отсек (that's Russian for 2 compartments) and has be be chibi (small) sized. And has to be really милый (cute). Also It has to be about 10-20 bux. And you have to post pics of it first (i want to make shure it's милый [cute]). And it would be nice if it came with matching chopstick holder (WITH chopsticks). OH! and it CANNOT have any cartoon pictures, or be made out of plastic. It has to be made of ceramic, or something like that. Also it would be nice if it was made in japan. and not in china or Корея (Korea) or whatever. I have found a bento box similar to the one im describing in e-bay, but it was 1 отсек, and i don't want my рис (rice) to touch my other things (it can get wet and i would not like that, plus 2 compartments looks more милый)
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tarlibone posted:Is it beyond the realm of possibility that the Soviets tested the firefighters for radiation once they were in the hospital, found that they were emitting radiation, and then acted based on those readings? It's still pretty crazy how the firefighters clothes are still in the abandoned hospital and 30+ years after the accident are still ticking hot in terms of radioactivity.
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etalian posted:It's still pretty crazy how the firefighters clothes are still in the abandoned hospital and 30+ years after the accident are still ticking hot in terms of radioactivity. I saw some show where they had people walking around in the abandoned town (in areas deemed safe enough for idiot tourists), and there were enthusiasts who would go into certain areas just to hold certain hot items for a few moments. This was several years ago. I bet the parents of those folks just sat back while the show as airing, saying, "Well, at least he's not into finding Bigfoot anymore...."
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No naked miner figures not interested
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tarlibone posted:I saw some show where they had people walking around in the abandoned town (in areas deemed safe enough for idiot tourists), and there were enthusiasts who would go into certain areas just to hold certain hot items for a few moments. This was several years ago. People do stupid poo poo in the zone all the time. Some dude tried to make off with one of the abandoned choppers before.
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Thumposaurus posted:No naked miner figures not interested My demand for Chernobyl Funko Pops has fallen on deaf ears
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Hi! Is there a documentary megathread around somewhere? Closest thing i could find was a archived Discovery channel thread. Chernobyl was kinda documentaryish i guess, so i figured if anyone has one bookmarked i'd find them in here.
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Thumposaurus posted:No naked miner figures not interested The adventures of the chad miners was amazing especially the soviet designed machine joke.
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Dongattack posted:Hi! Not on SA, I don't think. It's come up in the past in other random threads and actual nuclear industry people made some effort posts. But that's about it. There's a few good docus on youtube though. Surviving Disaster did an episode on Chernobyl that's pretty good. So did Seconds from Disaster, though it's a bit more dated
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Dongattack posted:Hi! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3269030&pagenumber=1&perpage=40
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Anderson Dawes and Vladimir Harkonnen being buddies makes sense.
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I enjoyed this show and then thread so much! So was in my mind when I did a thread for the new fast food subforum: OP was "How bad are In-N-Out fries?"
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Spinz posted:I enjoyed this show and then thread so much! So was in my mind when I did a thread for the new fast food subforum: OP was "How bad are In-N-Out fries?" Dyatlov was an In-N-Out fry^ (Forgot caption,  )
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Spinz posted:I enjoyed this show and then thread so much! So was in my mind when I did a thread for the new fast food subforum: OP was "How bad are In-N-Out fries?" This was great! Clever use of straw wrappers.
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Finally got my mom to watch this and give her opinion (as an actual expert on life in the USSR). She thought the series was very powerful and well written. Most online criticism (she googled a bit before \ while watching) has struck her as facile. The bits that did strike her as poorly researched \ incorrect: Shooting the cow. The entire miners-minister confrontation. She thinks US workers might \ would like to treat their bosses that way, but the whole thing couldn't have happened in the USSR. IRL, mothers and newborns were held in separate hospital rooms, only meeting to breastfeed. In fact, letting mothers hold their babies after birth only started during the perestroika - before that, nurses would whisk the newborn away for medical checkups and procedures. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Feb 27, 2020 |
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