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Shageletic posted:The sound design too. The crackle of their instruments is the loving scariest thing in the world Yeah, this scene is absolutely terrifying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcbQSvp6-lc
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Chamale posted:Same movie. I don't think it explicitly blame American spies, but it does fail to mention the reactor's design flaws, the coverup of those flaws, or the initial coverup of the disaster. Also, the main character is a firefighter who somehow is involved with the first response, the evacuation, and the dive to drain contaminated water from below the core. Russian Superman does not need a cape, comrade
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Cant believe those divers survived. Had to read the wiki article twice to believe it
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Enough water will block any radiation. For me that was the most believable part (Dad was a nuclear engineer). I wish he were still alive so he could nitpick the gently caress out of this show. I remember watching the China Syndrome with him, and boy, did he have opinions.
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Chamale posted:An American agent somehow planted a bomb near the reactor core and set it off at the exact moment the reactor crew was destabilizing the reactor? The CIA did a lot to try to hurt people in the Soviet Union, but blowing up a pipeline is simpler than causing a meltdown. Sabotaging a reactor leaves obvious fingerprints. When America or Israel sabotage Iranian reactors, they immediately know it was deliberate. The pipeline "hack" I recall also worked specifically because they built the pipeline with new tech their spies were stealing from the West, so the US fed them defective designs when they found out. It wasn't anything like sneaking in and planting a bomb, more like posting linkin_park_mp3.exe on emule. Less applicable to a 1950s reactor design.
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I'm rewatching this series and the first two episodes, but particularly the first, are just some of the most terrifying television I've ever seen. I don't know precisely why, but it just grips me with this visceral dread more than any horror movie has before. I had to pause and take a break the first time
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Tosk posted:I'm rewatching this series and the first two episodes, but particularly the first, are just some of the most terrifying television I've ever seen. I don't know precisely why, but it just grips me with this visceral dread more than any horror movie has before. I had to pause and take a break the first time *sounds of radiation detector spiking as you wade through radioactive water and the flashlight gives out*
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Dalael posted:*sounds of radiation detector spiking as you wade through radioactive water and the flashlight gives out* The best horror scene in recent memory. Gave me "Dallas in the tunnel in Alien" vibes.
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That was terrifying but I am aware (like I'm sure everyone is after googling upon watching) that those men ended up surviving and living ostensibly healthy lives afterwards. I think it's just the existential dread of knowing that more or less everything depicted was real and that it could have been worse if the pathological need for secrecy had delayed action just a few more days. I've seen on stack exchange and other reasonably credible sites for such discourse that the estimated energy of the thermal explosion was greatly exaggerated even if the water tanks had detonated, but it would have definitely worsened the contamination and made the already hellish cleanup nearly impossible. Just the thought is horrifying. It is a little sad to see that even in a 5 part HBO series, they felt the need to include all the standard stereotypes of omnipresent KGB boogeymen and such, as if the stone cold reality of the situation were not dramatic enough.
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Tosk posted:It is a little sad to see that even in a 5 part HBO series, they felt the need to include all the standard stereotypes of omnipresent KGB boogeymen and such, as if the stone cold reality of the situation were not dramatic enough. While I can definately understand the KGB stuff coming across as a cliche, it is necessary to tell the whole story. Because while in reality I am sure there were nowhere near as many dramatic conversations and subtle threats it is important to show the KGB due to the fact that throughout its history the KGB was actually looming large as a threat in the background for any higher up citizen in Soviet Russia. The KGB was the parties mostly self governed enforcement arm. It is important to understand the underlying threat that they would have posed to all the individuals in real life. A large part of towing to party line is the fact that you know there are consequences for not doing so. Hell, there are even consequences for anyone thinking that you might not be towing the party line, regardless of the truth of the matter. In the end the KGB is important for underscoring the underlying theme of the series, what is the cost of lies? What horrors await when reality becomes of secondary importance compared to the party line?
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There's a few places where the series gets a bit stupid, like the recurring death threats (that poo poo just wasn't happening in the 80s) or like when they have an actual scientist go "Yeah, the baby totally absorbed all the radiation and saved the mother's life" instead of saying "The mother claims that etc". Besides that, though, it's a very good show with some great scenes and great actors.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:when they have an actual scientist go "Yeah, the baby totally absorbed all the radiation and saved the mother's life" instead of saying "The mother claims that etc" It makes more sense given that character is completely fictional and just exists to express all knowledge known (or "known") now to the historical characters.
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That is what the doctors told Lyudmila Ignatenko. The truth - that the advice to drink vodka to help your kidneys filter out deuterium faster shouldn't have been told to pregnant women - was probably not something she needed to hear.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:There's a few places where the series gets a bit stupid, like the recurring death threats (that poo poo just wasn't happening in the 80s) or like when they have an actual scientist go "Yeah, the baby totally absorbed all the radiation and saved the mother's life" instead of saying "The mother claims that etc". Besides that, though, it's a very good show with some great scenes and great actors. "Fly us over the reactor or I'll have you shot!" "If you do that you'll be begging for that bullet!!" Is a pretty good exchange though.
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Dalael posted:*sounds of radiation detector spiking as you wade through radioactive water and the flashlight gives out* I feel like they kinda poo poo it after that though. The wind up flashlights just, meh
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Mr. Sunshine posted:There's a few places where the series gets a bit stupid, like the recurring death threats (that poo poo just wasn't happening in the 80s) or like when they have an actual scientist go "Yeah, the baby totally absorbed all the radiation and saved the mother's life" instead of saying "The mother claims that etc". Besides that, though, it's a very good show with some great scenes and great actors. Restating the "Bridge of Death" myth annoyed me too. Especially giving it exactly the same standing as the actual facts of the events.
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I mean, I figured it wasn't an exact 1-1 completely historically accurate tale of what was going on, but from what I've heard it mostly stuck to the actual history and those facts were drat compelling to watch as a show. Ultimately, having a baby absorb radiation and save a mother's life in the process is just too perfect a dramatic story thing. That's the kind of thing that just sounds perfect on the page to me. It's the sort of thing that even if it made absolutely no medical sense, I'd totally buy into it if something similar happened on a show like House, for example.
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ElectronicOldMen posted:While I can definately understand the KGB stuff coming across as a cliche, it is necessary to tell the whole story. Because while in reality I am sure there were nowhere near as many dramatic conversations and subtle threats it is important to show the KGB due to the fact that throughout its history the KGB was actually looming large as a threat in the background for any higher up citizen in Soviet Russia. Liquidators weren't recruited at gunpoint - people would like to play the hero even without the very generous benefits involved. The evil soviet Mordor, where every request is backed by death threats isn't just a ludicrous US fantasy - it interferes with any attempt to draw a mora or universal conclusion. "The cost of lies", if you will.
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It's also worth pointing out that, just like the character of "scientist who immediately gets everything right unlike the idiots around her," the evil KGB director character from the show is also completely made up.
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Chairman Capone posted:It's also worth pointing out that, just like the character of "scientist who immediately gets everything right unlike the idiots around her," the evil KGB director character from the show is also completely made up. Ack, as I was trudging my way through this thread I intended to post this very point. Charkov seems to me to be a kind of anti-Khomyuk, an artifice there to distill the myriad forces of reson d'etat pressing on the 'good guys' to bend reality in such a way as to secure the status-quo. So he's necessarily a bit of a caricature, as is the unyielding Khomyuk, who, lets remember, doesnt even blink when Legasov tells her he'll be shot if he does what she's relentlessly pressuring him into doing. I can imagine that if I were Russian I'd be a little bit tired of the KGB trope, but in service to the fictional aspect of this dramatic retelling of Chernobyl I think he's rather brilliant in his sinisterly bland and bureaucratic, kissinger-ish way. I also know the way the miners was portrayed is a bit of a caricature, but I enjoyed it, if there was hope it must lie in the proles! Just also going to add that the portrayal of the final stage of severe radiation poisoning was more horrific than anything I've seen in any recent torture porn horror movie, and will stick with me for life. Simiain fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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Simiain posted:Just also going to add that the portrayal of the final stage of severe radiation poisoning was more horrific than anything I've seen in any recent torture porn horror movie, and will stick with me for life. Xander77 posted:The evil soviet Mordor, where every request is backed by death threats isn't just a ludicrous US fantasy - it interferes with any attempt to draw a mora or universal conclusion. "The cost of lies", if you will. Gyro Zeppeli posted:Restating the "Bridge of Death" myth annoyed me too. Especially giving it exactly the same standing as the actual facts of the events.
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bump HBO are releasing a documentary in later this month of footage recorded after the explosion at the powerstation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kxUOKqSxNs
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Looking forward to the rival documentary showing footage of the CIA spies breaking in and causing all these problems.
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idk why this thread is repopping now but just the other day I was remembering Boris' character development throughout the miniseries. realistic or not it loving owned
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We’ll get season 2 eventually, I’m sure of it
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Last Chance posted:We’ll get season 2 eventually, I’m sure of it Chernobyl 2 is going to be the story of COVID. We never learned what the cost of lies was and paid the price again for it.
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Season 2 already happened, they just have to write it all up and film it. Season 2 going to be all about Russian troops attacking the power plant and then digging foxholes around the area where they stayed for a few weeks. https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-troops-suffer-acute-radiation-sickness-after-digging-chernobyl-trenches
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What's the name of the Russian show that supposedly debunks all the claims in this show and blames it on the CIA?
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