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Brought To You By posted:Still one of the harder abilities to work with but this madman surfer is committed if nothing else. I went back to re-read the chapters with it originally, did Araki change how it works? Unless Ojiro doesn't need to actually "mark" all four limbs in order to control someone.
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Expect My Mom posted:Surprisingly no, Araki is consistent. Fun Fun Fun gets control over any wounded limb the second the mark appears, it doesn't need all of them Welp, guess I should have re-read more closely. I always thought it needed to mark all four limbs, then once it does he has complete control over you. I'll admit I more or less skimmed it as a refresher, and to see if his character design stayed the same (it was tweaked slightly, mostly in the hair) Torquemadras posted:In part, I love part 8 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure because it reads like a mystery novel where the author constantly gets bored of where he's taking the plot, leading to absurd and wild poo poo that changes at the drop of a hat, and any constants that DO stay throughout the plot turn better and better, like granite cliffs worn down by a constant flood of bullshit until they become awe-inspiring monuments Yeah I dig this. It’s basically how Araki writes all his JoJo stories, just look at him dropping the Ripple, and Star Finger, and god knows how many other plot points throughout the series. Araki seems like he prefers to just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks, then just keeps rolling with that. Unfortunately Araki hasn’t really written a long-running mystery in JoJo before, and it seems his style of storytelling doesn’t work well with that. Part 4 was set up kind of like a mystery, but the reader knows that the killer is Kira the entire time. There’s the earlier mystery of “who is Red Hot Chili Pepper’s user?” but that’s not really set up in any way where a reader could figure it out, it’s just “let’s search until we find him!” All successful mysteries in JoJo are on a short-term scale. “How does this stand work?” and “How can we beat this stand?” are the types of mysteries JoJo (and Araki) is great at, since they get solved within a few chapters. There’s no time for Araki to realize a plot element doesn’t work and drop it, because the fight will be over and done with by then. Thus Araki’s storytelling culling never gets to weaken the mystery itself, like it has with Part 8. How did Karera get the photo of Kira and Josefumi? Where the gently caress did she go? What happened to Holy, why is she gone from the family photo? Who was the blonde dude Josuke had a vision of? The gently caress even are the wall eyes? etc. In any previous part, it wouldn’t be a big deal if Araki dropped these plot threads, but since Jojolion is explicitly set up as a mystery, it kinda suffers from it since we never know if a new plot element is ever going to go anywhere. Is a new plot element or character ACTUALLY a clue, or is it just something that we’ll all forget about when it inevitably never shows up again?
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Did I miss something or was it never explained how the car got up in the tree.
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Aug 21, 2019 21:22
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RatHat posted:It’s just one of Mamezuku’s weird houses. I assumed it was Jobin's lambo
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Aug 21, 2019 21:36
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Jonathan sternly talks to the baby, maybe giving it a firm spanking. Joseph tricks the baby into eating its own poo poo. Jotaro hands the baby off to Kakyoin to take care of, or shakes it if Kakyoin wasn’t around Josuke puts the baby in a situation where some over-bearing parent (Oldseph?) takes care of the baby, smothering it with love, its worst nightmare. Giorno gashes open the baby’s neck, then agrees to repair it if the baby stops loving around with him. Giorno would repair the wound with flesh made from the baby’s own poop. Jolyne punches the gently caress out of the baby until it stops being a little bitch. Johnny shoots the baby. Gappy tortures the baby somehow until it does what he wants.
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Sep 20, 2019 23:44
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Vookatos posted:Jesus, SBR sure does many things better than every previous part. From its antagonists' motives to tension and meaningful flashbacks. I've posted before about this same thing but yeah, Araki for some reason draws and writes characters as adults but then arbitrarily says "they're actually teens", presumably because Shonen Manga. Also I once counted up page numbers for reference, and from the start of Who shot Johnny Joestar until the end of part 7, which is roughly from where the endgame really truly starts, is the same length as loving battle tendency
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Nov 18, 2019 18:55
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They're called stands because motherfucking Mountain Tim says so, god dammit.
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Nov 19, 2019 00:39
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wocobob posted:I still don’t totally understand what “things come crashing into you” is supposed to mean (maybe it’s just an iffy translation). Is it basically just extreme bad luck to the point that everything in the world is attacking you by accident? I think it just literally means things will crash into you with enough force to cause serious injury. See: Gappy getting rained on until it almost killed him.
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Nov 19, 2019 04:27
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Xad posted:Yeah I gotta wonder how Araki ended up on that name for the magic fruit Honestly he probably just doesn't know what it means in Spanish. The pronunciation is likely supposed to be more even all throughout, each syllable getting roughly the same speaking time and emphasis. Lo-ca-ca-ca. I also wonder if "rokakaka" and "locacaca" are supposed to be the same word all along.
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Nov 19, 2019 17:04
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Josuke Higashikata posted:They are the same word and sound the same. Oh yeah definitely, I just don't know if we've seen rokakaka localized by Araki until now, have we? I'm also curious what the original japanese text for some of this reads, the line "locacaca? Is that the rokakaka?" would be real weird otherwise. Anyone know where one can find raw japanese scans?
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Nov 19, 2019 19:37
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The best way to tell would honestly be to look at page counts. Ignoring parts 1 & 2, since they're much shorter than the others: Part 3: 3,045 pages Part 4: 3,476 Part 5: 3,121 Part 6: 3,260 Part 7: 4,290 Part 8: 3,935 (as of the most recent chapter) So Part 8 is probably in the climax, or at least nearing it. With an average of 42 pages per chapter, we have about 7-8 chapters until we get to Part 7 length. Of course, Jojolion could go on much longer than Part 7, but I'd expect it to end within about a year. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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NickRoweFillea posted:I’ll say it: Jojolion is good. 
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Can’t Yasuho just…recall her stand??
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Xad posted:why didn't kakyoin just recall hierophant green when jotaro was strangling it? it's never been that consistent I guess You know, I never really thought about that, but good point. I think maybe it’s jarring here because it doesn’t feel like there’s anything physically “keeping” her stand where it is, like with Jotaro strangling Heirophant, but whatever. Come to think of it, isn’t there some point in part 3 or 4 where a villain realizes they’re about to get hosed over and goes “STAND, RETURN TO ME” only to get oraoraora’d before they can do so?
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Modus Pwnens posted:It happens to Koichi against Heart Attack inside the shoe store, and Jotaro saves his butt Ahh, that's it. I guess there is some limitations to recalling your stand, it's just never really directly come up often enough to get established rules for it. And, of course, this is Araki we're talking about, so the rules can be bent to the point of breaking if it's better for the story.
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The most stone cold closing of a toilet I've ever seen
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I love everything everyone has posted already, so I'll put my generally unpopular opinion: I love the second Darby fight. It's not as good as the first one, but I like that it's shown from the perspective of Darby trying to figure out how the hell Jotaro is beating his mind reading. And the final solution is super simple yet clever and surprising. Bites the Dust has been mentioned but I love it because it's one of the few fights where a non-stand user is involved. I feel like this is an area that Araki could explore more - the way you beat most stands is by outsmarting the user and the stand's rules, and that's something anyone can do.
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Angry_Ed posted:While probably not "the best", or even my personal fave, I have a fondness for the Highway Star fight. Highway Star easily has the most creative uses of Josuke's power in all of part 4. I think it's probably like, THE fight to show people if you want to show them why JoJo is great - it takes a relatively simple power (healing things it breaks) and then pushes it to the logical extreme. It really shows off where JoJo shines as a series, which is taking a relatively mundane or simple-seeming power and doing crazy poo poo with it.
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Apr 15, 2020 18:21
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Jolyne is great and so is part 6, but if you're not into it then don't force yourself to read something you don't like.
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Jun 3, 2020 07:26
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Johnny literally shoots himself in the head
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Jun 8, 2020 01:08
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Both very fair points
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Jun 8, 2020 01:44
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FirstAidKite posted:The goal is to protect himself so that he may fight the doctor, so defending himself against the bug's tongue depressor kinetic explosion is enough to count. I read it as the doctor pointing out that attacking the bug was a "pursuit" of the bug. So if Josuke tries to attack the doctor, he'll be pursuing him, and that'll cause calamities.
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Jun 19, 2020 15:59
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Electric Phantasm posted:Possibly This is really baffling to me. Araki had to have deliberately removed her here, it's obvious he used the original photo with some otherwise minor tweaks. If he didn't want to use her anymore, couldn't ha have just left her in and just not mention her? It feels weirder to me to remove her entirely.
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Relin posted:he forgot the rules of one stand mid arc. i think he's losing it. if he doesn't address some of the important mysteries in part 8 i'm gonna be pissed! I frankly kind of hate the "araki forgot" meme. It really comes off as disrespectful go him, like he doesn't care about his work - which he obviously does. Yes he's gone on record saying he's forgotten stuff in the past, but I think that's fairly normal. He's also gone on record saying that he's fully willing to cut plot concepts that aren't working for the sake of making an entertaining story - that seems far more likely to be the case most of the time something changes. I'm kind of suspecting we won't really find out what happened to Kyo, since we haven't really seen her do anything since her fight, but maybe that's just cus araki knew he couldn't work her or her stand into the story and so he just cut her out, possibly literally.
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Dragonwagon posted:There's some really good stuff on that twitter: https://twitter.com/RawazFHK/status/1275097041274843136?s=20
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overmind2000 posted:New chapter is up on MangaDex I enjoyed the backstory bits, it's classic Araki crazy. It also was cool to see how the stone people tie in to previous parts. I know for a long time people have been wondering how Part 8 is "caused" by DIO, since every other part is caused by him in some way. But now we've gotten confirmation of the opposite, really - Part 1 was "caused" by the rock humans in a way, and so is Part 8.
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:I was actually thinking of doing my own translation of the chapter for this thread but if someone else did it already then that’s probably overkill. I would loving love to get decent translations. I don't know what it is about Jojo that attracts such lovely ones.
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Jul 19, 2020 21:58
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FirstAidKite posted:How many years has it been since Johnny's death? Don't Rock humans have super long lifespans, or did my brain just invent that?
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Jul 23, 2020 23:42
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Johnny Joestar posted:whitesnake's only ability was being able to shoot a gun, but only at pigeons. Don't forget about the weird wall melting hallucination thing he does once
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I want Araki and Kojima to write a story together, filled with nothing but the vague ideas they got after reading a paragraph of text on various wiki pages
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Aug 13, 2020 15:41
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Crusader posted:every time i think i've run out of weird poo poo in jojo, something else comes along It makes me irrationally angry that they call it "Alien Ball" in this translation - just call it Paul! That's the name everyone will recognize! fe: Pauul
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Aug 14, 2020 15:44
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RatHat posted:So if they beat Wonder of U with Spin bullshit does that mean Wonder of U is basically just invincible otherwise? From how it's explained it sounds like even Dio with time stopped would get wrecked by a calamity if he tried to attack it. I was really hoping they'd find some loophole in its power but doesn't seem like that's gonna happen. In theory, you beat Wonder of U by leading him into a trap. Gappy successfully baited him to come to the fruit room, after all, so we know THAT is safe. DIO couldn't directly attack him, but Kira could probably get him by planting a secret bomb, like with Fatty. Considering Gappy is half Kira, I'm guessing that's how he'll be taken down.
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Torquemadras posted:I have genuine difficulty following what Dadada was doing throughout this chapter This was actually the first chapter I could SORT OF follow along with it. It appeared under the desk, then flung its "stinger" up to hit Gappy from behind, who was on top. When Gappy would turn to face where the stinger came from, Dadada would attack from a different angle. Gappy attack down through the desk, using the bubbles to uhh....transfer the damage through to the bottom, I think? Or he used the bubbles to dig through the desk, which I guess they can do now? Then Dadada appeared above Gappy, traveling along the walls I think.
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Pootybutt posted:"Umm..." perfectly encapsulates my feelings on this chapter. So, like, were the bubbles coming out of Rai or colliding w him? Wondering if the Spin is how they can "steal" concepts or if it's something new? Not sure on the spin stuff, but I think Josuke had put bubbles in the wall while fighting Dadada, so when Rai missed his attack it knocked the bubbles out and caused them to hit him
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Crusader posted:dogpark explains their translation process in this thread: This makes me really appreciate Dogpark's translation. I remember local translator Daxing Dan had been critical of a previous chapter done by Dogpark, so hopefully that was just a fluke.
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Oh, well if they say so then it must be true I have a somewhat passing understanding of Japanese, admittedly not enough to catch many subtleties but enough to be able to understand most of the words + grammar from the source, and dogpark's translation of the words in the twitter thread was accurate as far as I could tell. One or two I read slightly differently but not significantly so and was likely me making a mistake. If you don't believe them you could always try going to a japanese dictionary site like jisho.org and pasting the jp text to see for yourself I guess.
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Torquemadras posted:Hmmmm. King Crimson is an absolute defense, working via precognition. Once something is seen by Epitaph, King Crimson can 100% avoid it. Wonder of U is ALSO an absolute defense, working via fate itself intervening. I think it all comes down to whether or not the calamities account for KC's time skips. If they don't, then yeah he can just avoid them all. But if they DO, which seems like it might be the case based on Rai getting owned last chapter, then WoU could set up a calamity that foreseeing and skipping can't avoid. An easy example is a gas explosion - if Diavolo had been in the area long enough, he would be too close to avoid it as soon as he foresaw it, even with his skipping power. The piercing rain we saw earlier would work well too - KC can only skip for so long, after all.
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lol get hosed Joshuu
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Oct 16, 2020 16:40
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Johnny more or less gets a redemption arc. His arc isn't entirely about learning not to be a spoiled brat, but it's partially there.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:So why is it saved as Kei in Joshu's phone? Joshuu never bothered to learn her "Kyo" name, and entered the wrong name into his phone. By coincidence, it's the same as her real name.
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