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Kai Tave posted:Mark Miller's one of those few writers out there where the film adaptations of their work are clear improvements over the original material. I've mentioned it before but all of the controversial aspects of the ending of Kingsman were not in the original comic.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I've mentioned it before but all of the controversial aspects of the ending of Kingsman were not in the original comic. Are you referring to Eggsy taking the Dutch Princess up the arse? Wasn't controversial in the slightest in the UK for some reason.
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May 19, 2019 12:00
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Ultimates 1 and 2 are good. I actually don't much like Red Son, partially written by Morrison or not. That's about it for Millar comics I like. The Captain America yelling about France moment would be out of character for mainline Cap, for sure, but Ultimate Cap is intentionally a kind of rear end in a top hat neo-con who gladhands with George W. Bush. I think Ultimates is mostly good at portraying that without ever making his character really gratuitous.
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May 19, 2019 12:42
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Dell_Zincht posted:Are you referring to Eggsy taking the Dutch Princess up the arse? Wasn't controversial in the slightest in the UK for some reason. The film was ok in spite of that, I never watched the sequel because the trailer was dumb as hell. Never a good sign when a sequel revives a character that pretty explicitly died in the first movie like they're Shadow the Hedgehog ffs.
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May 19, 2019 15:53
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I've mentioned it before but all of the controversial aspects of the ending of Kingsman were not in the original comic. Yeah don't quote me on this but I think Matthew Vaughn Has Opinions on women. Also Kingsmen is just as much if not more his baby than Millars too.
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May 19, 2019 15:54
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Mr Phillby posted:Its a bond pastiche so the casual sexism didn't raise many eyebrows I guess. The way they revived him was actually quite clever and made for a good plot device later in the movie. The sequel in general was dumber than a box of hair but it was still entertaining. If you liked the first one you should check it out.
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May 19, 2019 16:28
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Android Blues posted:Ultimates 1 and 2 are good. I actually don't much like Red Son, partially written by Morrison or not. That's about it for Millar comics I like. Shouldn't Ultimate Cap remember fighting side by side with the French Resistance, like, only a few weeks back as far as his timeline goes, while his own country basically just sits on the sidelines until Pearl Harbor forces its hand?
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May 19, 2019 17:55
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Sephyr posted:Shouldn't Ultimate Cap remember fighting side by side with the French Resistance, like, only a few weeks back as far as his timeline goes, while his own country basically just sits on the sidelines until Pearl Harbor forces its hand? He does admit like literally three pages later that what he said was stupid and spur of the moment. But Mark Millar actually forgets that, as does every writer going forward, so he starts to actually believe it. Also, Mark Millar certainly did not consider such things and was just basing it on the fact that Captain America in the Ultimate Universe supposed to be everything should be about American conservatism and American conservatives did not like French at the time.
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May 19, 2019 17:58
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Millar does have the ultimate forum troll excuse for his poo poo. See, it's all edgy and bold and creative, -unless- you don't like it, in which case you're a nerd for -caring- about comics, you stupid oaf.
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May 19, 2019 18:34
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Dell_Zincht posted:The way they revived him was actually quite clever and made for a good plot device later in the movie.
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May 19, 2019 19:07
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Mr Phillby posted:He was shot point blank in the loving head, why should I give a poo poo about anything that happens in a spy thriller when they can apparently cure a bullet to the brain? Yeah the problem with The Golden Circle I thought was that the script needed a few more rewrites.
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May 19, 2019 19:10
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i'm gonna be honest i really don't mind the sex joke in the Kingsman movie? like it struck me as an active attempt to 180 the typical Bond movie gender politics without breaking the pastiche: the princess and Eggsy get it on, but rather than a dashing superspy seducing a virginal damsel, it's the princess who 100% has agency in the situation and initiates everything. like that's actively better than 95% of the movies it's a pastiche of.
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May 19, 2019 19:43
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If you need something miserable and hateful to cover next why not SPACE MOOSE? The Canadian college comic turned late 90s webcomic that's one edgelord's response to 90s college politics and would probably be even more hostile and reactionary nowadays. Like you can almost see it as a proto Alt Right thing just from what I remember in a 20+ year old webcomic. (Possibly also a warning at how such douchebaggery can be created as well.) But I just don't get the appeal of hateful stuff. Dark but with a real heart and a point? Sure. Old guy losing his grip on reality and parodying himself ala All Star Batman n Robin? I enjoyed it because it was so tryhard cool while being butt. poo poo like this Unfunnies or said Space Moose? Get the gently caress out. Like A Serbian Film or the Human Centipedes are vile even in summary form. I would never want to watch Cannibal Holocaust either but its TRYING to say something. (If it succeeds or if people are even capable of understanding the point it's trying to make is another thing entirely.) Honestly I don't really get Avatar's point in existing. Hateful poo poo and quasi porn with lots of rapeyness? Who the hell buys this poo poo? Is it people who want sick comics but don't want Manga styles? poo poo, even the Zenescope comics seem to be pretty progressive in some of the books content themselves even though every cover seems to be OMG TITTY. Like am I missing something?
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May 19, 2019 20:34
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Alhazred posted:Then I can't even begin to imagine how terrible the source material for Kick rear end 2 was. Well for one thing Motherfucker actually goes through with the rape instead of not being able to get it up  gently caress I hate Millar
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May 19, 2019 20:56
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I rather see something obscure that was published for a Let's Read than the bottom of the barrel known as webcomics.
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May 19, 2019 22:34
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Mr Phillby posted:He was shot point blank in the loving head, why should I give a poo poo about anything that happens in a spy thriller when they can apparently cure a bullet to the brain? Why don't you loving watch it and see? It's not like Kingsman is the most realistic film around in the first place. Harry has a bloody umbrella that can deflect bullets for Christ's sake!
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May 19, 2019 22:50
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Dell_Zincht posted:Are you referring to Eggsy taking the Dutch Princess up the arse? Wasn't controversial in the slightest in the UK for some reason. It didn't bother me personally but I get why some people found it distasteful. Killing all the world leaders wasn't in the book either and instead everyone just makes out in a very PG way.
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May 19, 2019 23:08
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Joe Chill posted:I rather see something obscure that was published for a Let's Read than the bottom of the barrel known as webcomics. if you're looking for more readable material with an edgelord bent that was published by a recognizable company for a Let's Read may I suggest Jimmie Robinson's Bomb Queen? e: Captain Rufus posted:Honestly I don't really get Avatar's point in existing. Hateful poo poo and quasi porn with lots of rapeyness? Who the hell buys this poo poo? Is it people who want sick comics but don't want Manga styles? poo poo, even the Zenescope comics seem to be pretty progressive in some of the books content themselves even though every cover seems to be OMG TITTY. some people like soft-core bad-girl stuff, which alone is a reason for them to exist as a commercial entity, if not a reason to care about their output beyond that they're an outlet to do creator-owned books with no content restrictions whatsoever sometimes that results in utterly puerile trash where a creator revels in their own nihilism and shits all over themselves in public, sometimes it lets people create good work that they would have had trouble getting published elsewhere - Warren Ellis/Garth Ennis/Kieron Gillen all at least did interesting things with the opportunity, Avatar Press were the first people to publish Eric Powell's The Goon, etc. LGD fucked around with this message at 03:31 on May 20, 2019 |
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May 20, 2019 03:16
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Yeah, like, I talked about this earlier but as a whole I kinda don't mind Avatar. I like gory action and horror comics, and they publish an almost hilarious deluge of gory action and horror comics. And a surprising number of them are, like, actually loving cool (go read Uber if you're not already). It's just that not having any content restrictions whatsoever occasionally produces something like this.
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May 20, 2019 04:53
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A Walk Through Hell, Ennis' current comic with Avatar, is seriously good stuff. Cinema Purgatorio, Alan Moore's anthology series, was also published by Avatar. I get the impression they run the tacky horror sexploitation stuff because it pulls numbers, and then use that money to fund interesting creator-driven books.
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May 20, 2019 08:42
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Iirc it was the "if you let me out of this cell" part of the "i'll let you gently caress my rear end" deal that people objected to.Dell_Zincht posted:Why don't you loving watch it and see? It's not like Kingsman is the most realistic film around in the first place. Harry has a bloody umbrella that can deflect bullets for Christ's sake! There's also a world of difference between a bullet proof umbrella gun and a character coming back to life. Or a tracking device that only functions inside a vagina for that matter.
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May 20, 2019 12:18
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LGD posted:if you're looking for more readable material with an edgelord bent that was published by a recognizable company for a Let's Read may I suggest Jimmie Robinson's Bomb Queen? I never read the comic but it seems so ott that you can't take it seriously at all. Interesting enough, it seems the comic lasted six years.
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Mr Phillby posted:Iirc it was the "if you let me out of this cell" part of the "i'll let you gently caress my rear end" deal that people objected to. which iirc isn't really accurate to what happens- Eggsy's gonna let her out anyways and she decides she wants to reward him for it with buttsex, which actually makes him be like "hold that thought" and go handle the rest of the plot first
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:which iirc isn't really accurate to what happens- Eggsy's gonna let her out anyways and she decides she wants to reward him for it with buttsex, which actually makes him be like "hold that thought" and go handle the rest of the plot first Eggsy teases her by saying "If I let you out will you give me a kiss? I've always wanted to kiss a princess" or words to that effect and she's like "if you let me out i'll give you more than a kiss" and he's like "oh really" and then he says he has to go save the world. She then says "if you save the world, we can do it in the rear end in a top hat?" and he says "I will be right back" and so yeah I don't honestly get where the controversy came from
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It's a captive woman offering sex in exchange for freedom. There's actually a misogynistic bent to a lot of Vaughn's movies that I've picked up on.
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May 20, 2019 23:49
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It's eye rollingly juvenile, just like the tracking device in 2
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May 21, 2019 00:56
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https://twitter.com/avram/status/1130951555136598018
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May 22, 2019 03:44
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The timing of this thread is basically perfect.
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May 22, 2019 05:52
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It's amazing how poorly this artstyle works at even resembling the Hanna-Barbera style it's trying to subvert, making what could be legitimately unnerving just ugly and tiresome. Even the photos aren't integrated effectively. The one page you've shown that I'd say really uses its style well is that Welcome To Frosty's gently caress Palace one, which actually leans into the uncanny elements of the early 2000s digital workflow.
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May 22, 2019 07:59
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You can always tell when the artist doesn't give a gently caress Contrast this with a massive work of labor such as Cuphead, cartoon art can be amazing. E: not that I hold it against anyone working with Millar for not giving a gently caress. By popular demand fucked around with this message at 09:06 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 09:04
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 okay putting this together for off-forums sharing has gone from "thing i'm halfassedly working on" to "IMMEDIATE PRIORITY"
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May 22, 2019 09:36
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I'm honestly way more angry about the twit than anything and everything Mark ever published. E: Goat licking is not as bad as Farage licking.
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May 22, 2019 09:44
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https://medium.com/@seantucker_21415/mark-millar-licks-goats-a-read-through-of-the-unfunnies-c22a759909cb Pass it around. Mark Millar must be stopped.
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May 22, 2019 09:54
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Lmao thanks for this thread. I'll be honest that when I opened it I thought it'd be something a bit off but hardly enough to warrant the commentary blown up bigger than it is. But no it's really that bad. I admit it's funny to read about as there's the extra step of removal where what's funny is that anyone thought this would be in any way something worth publishing, but I cannot imagine reading it in the first instance with anything less than horror. I'll add I think Millar does have a few worthwhile things in his vast bibliography aside from Red Son. Old Man Logan despite having a bit of edgelord poo poo was mostly a fun Western romp. His two Jupiter's series were both legitimately good and despite looking like they were going to lurch off the rails into Millarland a couple of times they never did (and the tribulations of a homosexual character in the 50s were actually dealt with well with there even being a touching moment when the character was pushed out of the closet before the other heroes who seemed ultra conservative but was accepted without question- who woulda thought?) Starlight was a fun pulp sci fi mini. Ultimate are flawed but not awful, as others have said. This is bad enough I think it's fair enough to expect him to display some contrition over it, though. That and his Authority run - gently caress that took a big poo poo over everything. Thank God Brubaker picked up the pieces...
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I think someone said in other threads that most of his decent Millarword stuff was ghostwritten, right? I still can't believe that this edgelord is the same dude that wrote that great Superman Adventures run in the late 90s.
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