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Hackan Slash posted:Isn't it usually the top jobs from the race poll? I don't think that's out yet. Gilgabot did a bunch of polls on Twitter over the past few weeks of "pick one - Job A or Job B." Presumably, the new #regpopular is based on the results of those.
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This seems like a good plan. In case you're curious, here's how I did it:
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May 30, 2019 18:18
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I feel like I'd have to combine Chemist and Monk and then just make the last two classes total throwaways like Dragoon and Red Mage. Even when Red is paired with other mages I still dread seeing it appear.
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May 30, 2019 18:19
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Eh. Grinding out Dualcast sucks for sure, but it's a great skill once you have it. It's against the rules, but going through the Phoenix Tower and making everyone a Red Mage for the Magic Jar fights helps a lot. Also, for those of you who are planning runs, I'd recommend thinking about how you're going to get past world 2 Exdeath as well as the late game. That's a tough fight and you don't have superpowers yet.
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May 30, 2019 18:23
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ultrafilter posted:Eh. Grinding out Dualcast sucks for sure, but it's a great skill once you have it. It's against the rules, but going through the Phoenix Tower and making everyone a Red Mage for the Magic Jar fights helps a lot. Grind at Barrier Tower till I get a full set of Reflect Rings. If it worked for my quadzerk it'll work for anything else. e: So I managed to find a screenshot of my quadzerk victory (the twitter I used for it has since been hacked by a pornbot and banned)  Never again. BisbyWorl fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 30, 2019 |
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May 30, 2019 18:37
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A full set of Reflect Rings can solve a lot of problems. Crystals and W2 Exdeath are probably the hardest fights in general. Sandworm is hard for certain parties, Shin/Omega the same. Even with a dream team, you'll have to put in some effort for the Crystals at least.
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May 30, 2019 18:44
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Ah, it's the "divide the 20 jobs into the best possible 5 teams" portion of the thread. Team #1: Time Mage, Berserker, Samurai, Thief Team #2: Beastmaster, Blue Mage, Dragoon, Ninja Team #3: Bard, Summoner, Geomancer, Knight Team #4: Chemist, Monk, Black Mage, Dancer Team #5: Mystic Knight, Ranger, White Mage, Red Mage Team #1: This is the "lets give Berserker some useful abilities" team. Berserker's one of the few classes that wants Artful Dodger, there might also be some times where the Berserker wants Equip Katana. Haste also helps shore up Berserker speed issues. Team #2: Beastmaster/Blue Mage combo is obvious. Dragoon & Ninja have pretty good synergy actually. If we're in Mobile/Steam then !Jump with a pair of Twin Lances is hilarious, but then again that means this party doesn't have an Omega kill. Dual wield helps Dragoon's lackluster offense. They also makes a pretty good !Blue Magic user. Team #3: Geomancer can be a good back-up !Singer or !Summoner. Between Bard, Summoner and Geomancer you don't really have to worry about random encounters, and nobody here really wants the Chicken Knife, so Knight is free to Two Hand the Brave Blade to their heart's content. Team #4: Drunken Fist Monk. Black Mage and Monk should help each other through most of the World 1 roadblocks until Chemist and Dancer shows up. Team #5: Red Mage was hard to place... I originally had Black Mage here but the lack of multi-target White Magic buffs makes me think White Mage wants X-Magic more. Every group has a good/decent Chicken Knife user except #3, which picks up the Brave Blade. Every group can deal with Rug Wizard without any kind of obnoxious shenanigans. Team #1 maybe hits a few world 1 roadblocks until it gets some better offense, but I can't think of big issues any of these teams should encounter throughout the game. Might be missing something.
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May 30, 2019 19:04
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If you just want to be efficient with combinations, you could do Time/Geo/Goon/Zerk. Time Mage can quick leak .... everything? I don't remember if anyone absorbs poison. Even so, Berserker and Dragoon can beat things to death. This frees up the spots those three jobs would normally take so your other four teams are even better. Not that this game is hard enough to justify it
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May 30, 2019 19:20
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ultrafilter posted:Eh. Grinding out Dualcast sucks for sure, but it's a great skill once you have it. It's against the rules, but going through the Phoenix Tower and making everyone a Red Mage for the Magic Jar fights helps a lot. I don't think I've ever bothered to grind for !Dualcast aside from my first playthrough. The mage classes who can use it are already powerful enough without it, and the Red Mage herself is far better off with a secondary magic ability. I guess it's handy in a Natural run, but no one should force themselves to play Natural.
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May 30, 2019 19:52
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Samuel Clemens posted:already powerful enough I don't understand.
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Samuel Clemens posted:already powerful enough I understand the meanings of those words, but they make no sense in that order. 
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May 30, 2019 20:39
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ultrafilter posted:
Does it have to be over 5 runs with no duplicates? If not I'll probably do a couple chaos/random runs and then I could just start making teams of classes I haven't gotten through no750/750 runs with job fair to finish it out.
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May 30, 2019 21:35
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Kyrosiris posted:I don't understand. W.T. Fits posted:I understand the meanings of those words, but they make no sense in that order. Hey, if you wanna grind to level 99 every run to feel ultimate power, be my guest. 
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May 30, 2019 22:12
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Why grind to L99 when you can drink your way there?
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Mega64 posted:Why grind to L99 when you can drink your way there? That's not what my doctor says 
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Admiral Joeslop posted:That's not what my doctor says What's their opinion on songs?
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May 30, 2019 22:27
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MagusDraco posted:What's their opinion on songs? There was an.... incident when I took a vacation to Ivalice. I can't afford another red card.
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May 30, 2019 22:30
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Very tempted to stream myself playing this, though I have no idea if people would find watching a person having fun while bumbling through a Fiesta run fun or annoying. Streaming might just be a good way for me to stay motivated and keep at it.
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May 31, 2019 00:00
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Ritznit posted:Very tempted to stream myself playing this, though I have no idea if people would find watching a person having fun while bumbling through a Fiesta run fun or annoying. Streaming might just be a good way for me to stay motivated and keep at it. People in this group watch Noted Twitch Speedrunner Dragondarch bumble through the Fiesta every year while having varying amounts of fun depending on how many times he's died in a given 15 minutes so if you want to stream and chat with nerds and discuss strats I say go for it chief it might help you stay motivated and watching new people experience the Fiesta is a lot of fun for the grizzled tired vets
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May 31, 2019 00:11
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Which year was it that he accidentally sold the dragon fang he needed for some convoluted scheme?
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agradine posted:Which year was it that he accidentally sold the dragon fang he needed for some convoluted scheme? I honestly sometimes can't tell if Dragondarch is sincere or if it's some sort of performance art. I'm all for finding odd ways to go about things for entertainment value, but that was 
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In fact, there's a channel on the discord for people to announce streams. it's pretty cool.
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Bruceski posted:I honestly sometimes can't tell if Dragondarch is sincere or if it's some sort of performance art. I'm all for finding odd ways to go about things for entertainment value, but that was I mean, you're already playing a game live for the internet while under an arbitrary restriction and trying to go as fast as possible. Pretty sure that's performance art no matter how you slice it. Also I remember hearing one year that he's actually a pretty competent speedrunner in general and just has this weird blind spot for FF5. Which, uh, still doesn't really settle things one way or the other, I guess!
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He's a pretty decent guy overall, honestly-- met him at limit break, hung out a little. Just, you know, ff5 hilarity. It honestly probably doesn't help that fiesta doesn't speedrun like the normal game, which I am given to understand is steprouted to hell and back, so there's a lot going on that needs to be basically routed from principles.
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Ritznit posted:Very tempted to stream myself playing this, though I have no idea if people would find watching a person having fun while bumbling through a Fiesta run fun or annoying. Streaming might just be a good way for me to stay motivated and keep at it. in fact, set up a Twitch stream and give me a date/time and i'll be there at least once the only toxx clause i'll post in this thread
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Bruceski posted:I honestly sometimes can't tell if Dragondarch is sincere or if it's some sort of performance art. I'm all for finding odd ways to go about things for entertainment value, but that was I think he also waited until the very last minute to plan his run so he was running on like 2 days of no sleep at that point.
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The most Dragondarch thing was his last run where he tried to grind for Aero in the Wind Shrine and accidentally wiped. He hadn’t saved at all.
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neongrey posted:It honestly probably doesn't help that fiesta doesn't speedrun like the normal game, which I am given to understand is steprouted to hell and back, so there's a lot going on that needs to be basically routed from principles. I don't think Dragondarch even runs vanilla FFV oddly enough, or most Final Fantasies for that matter. He seems to focus primarily on platformers, so I don't know how he came to be one of the Fiesta runners. Maybe puwexil asked him to join. (IIRC, it used to be only those two for a while.)
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mp5 posted:in fact, set up a Twitch stream and give me a date/time and i'll be there at least once Aw, aren't you a sweetie. I appreciate the encouragement. I'm moving right around the date where the Fiesta is likely to start, but as soon as I got my stuff set up in the new place, I wanna get into this run.
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Mega64 posted:The most Dragondarch thing was his last run where he tried to grind for Aero in the Wind Shrine and accidentally wiped. Was he still grinding for Aero? I thought his scheme at the time was grinding Faris up to a specific level so that he could utilize different characters to goblin punch various bosses in the teeth for 8x damage. Also if I remember right he was doing a pretty good job of recovering from that mistake... only to have some other mistake completely remove him from contention.
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Samuel Clemens posted:I'd much rather have Dancer than Dragoon in that line-up. Not just because Ribbons are great but because dancing with the Chicken Knife is the only worthwhile damage output you'll get in World 3. Dragoons are essentially Knights But Worse, since their stat line is similar but they use spears instead of (knight) swords, they don't have kit to help them with tanking (and in fact avoid tanking with !Jump), and don't really synergize with any other class. Dancers have the potential for absurd damage, exactly 25% (or, later with the Rainbow Dress or Lamia Tiara, 50%) of the time, and are essentially immune to status ailments. In exchange they're stuck with knives for weapons (which means Chicken Knife access but doesn't help outside of that) and have the game's lowest VIT. You have to get a dancer to something like level 45 before they can tank Almagest, which admittedly does give the team a point in favor of Red Mage (with Raise access and controllability) helping more than Zerk (who will generally be outdamaged even by a 50% Chicken Dance rate). Assuming the other two jobs are consistent (Monk and Geomancer as the worst out of the Wind/Fire crystals, respectively), Red Mage/Dancer work better as a team but is made of glass (monk aside), whereas Dragoon/Berserker work better but is essentially autoattack.team and boring as silt on top of that.
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Shyfted One posted:Does it have to be over 5 runs with no duplicates? If not I'll probably do a couple chaos/random runs and then I could just start making teams of classes I haven't gotten through no750/750 runs with job fair to finish it out. No limit. Just keep in mind that more than five runs is a lot of FFV.
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ultrafilter posted:No limit. Just keep in mind that more than five runs is a lot of FFV. Sure, if you're a slacker.
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Samuel Clemens posted:I don't think Dragondarch even runs vanilla FFV oddly enough, or most Final Fantasies for that matter. He seems to focus primarily on platformers, so I don't know how he came to be one of the Fiesta runners. Maybe puwexil asked him to join. (IIRC, it used to be only those two for a while.) probably that's what it is, since he's on the rpglb staff(and I think is one of their admins). that he doesn't run vanilla is the huge killer there - you can't work from notes and can't adapt familiarity from vanilla, sooo
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Kheldarn posted:Also, Can Of Worms, if you don't mind, can you share any tools you have for editing FFVA? I found 2 that let me edit some things, but nothing that will let me add more skills to jobs or grant innate abilites like you did for your Balance Patch.
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KataraniSword posted:Dragoons are essentially Knights But Worse, since their stat line is similar but they use spears instead of (knight) swords, they don't have kit to help them with tanking (and in fact avoid tanking with !Jump), and don't really synergize with any other class. There's a few situations where they really shine, at least. !Jump is highly situational but the handiest thing in said situations (SoulCannon and other bosses with powerful-but-telegraphed attacks), and they're murder against Shinryu, especially if you have Ninjas; a Dragoon dual-wielding Dragon Lances can hop on Shin for up to 15,000 damage per Jump (admittedly actually GETTING those lances is a pain, but so it goes). My biggest problem with Dragoons is that they're built as potentially the best tanks in the game, but have no ability to force hits onto themselves (unlike Knights with their Cover) and in fact their signature ability takes them off the field entirely, meaning other units will be taking hits in their place, which is kind of the exact opposite of what you want your tank to be doing.
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FeyerbrandX posted:Was he still grinding for Aero? I thought his scheme at the time was grinding Faris up to a specific level so that he could utilize different characters to goblin punch various bosses in the teeth for 8x damage. That was probably it. I was confused because he got killed by Aero.
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TIL that Diamond Bell and Tinklebell do 2/3 more damage on the GBA version than SNES. The Tinklebell is still by no means worth trying to get.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with your analysis. The reason I'd give Monk/Red Mage/Geomancer/Dancer (=Team 1) an edge over Monk/Berserker/Geomancer/Dragoon (=Team 2) is that the former composition can handle the usual roadblocks much better than the latter. Consider: W1 Byblos: Not really an issue for either team due to Geomancer. Red Mage has a small advantage due to the reliability of Fira over Ignus Fatuus. Soul Cannon: Huge advantage to Team 1 due to rod-breaking. Team 2 will struggle since the only decent damage comes from the Berserker and they're lacking healing options. Archaeoavis: Not much of an issue for either team due to Geomancer and Monk. Small advantage to Team 1 for the MT-healing I guess, since that limits the chances of being killed by an unfavourable RNG. W2 Gilgamesh on the Bridge (Shut up, he's hard!): Advantage to Team 1 since Protect + Healing Staff lets you survive Gilgamesh's jumping phase forever. Crystals: The one fight where I'd much rather have Team 2 for the Death Sickle. Team 1 will either have to farm Reflect Rings or calculate its damage extremely carefully. Exdeath: A pain for either composition, but somewhat easier for Team 1 due to Protect and rod-breaking. Physical attacks are awful against Exdeath. W3 Omega: Haha, nope. If you're really dedicated enough to fight Omega, then I guess Team 1 is preferable because Sword Dancing has the best damage output and provokes the fewest counters. It's not like squishiness matters when every attack either deals percentage-based damage or kills you in one hit anyway. Shinryu: Huge advantage to Team 1 for being able to berserk Shinryu, making the fight a non-issue. Even if you were to grind for four Dragon Lances, Team 2 would either have to level a lot or hope for a decent RNG. Neo-Exdeath: This is where Team 1's advantages shine most clearly in my opinion. A Monk with Equip Ribbon, Protect and Shell (from the Wonder Wand) in the back-row can survive the onslaught for a long time, and the Dancer's solid targetable damage should allow you to kill the Almagest part after one or two castings. If things go sour due to an unlucky Grand Cross, you can use the Wonder Wand to reset. By contrast, Team 2 has to rely on hitting the timing for !Jump on every Almagest to win. On top of that, no Ribbon to protect against the nasty Grand Cross effects, no Wonder Wand to reset if things get dicey, and the Berserker, who is technically this team's best damage dealer, will waste a lot of attacks on targets you didn't want to hit. So, yeah, Team 1 will have a much smoother time against any boss barring the Crystals. The big three in particular (well, big two since I doubt anyone but derra would be
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The Red Mage can Old Bridgegamesh via the Ancient Sword as well. Staff of Light breaking or, hell, just beating on Exdeath with it is another option for W2 Exdeath. Yes, I rapidfire-d W2 Exdeath with a Staff of Light once. While Equip Axes + Sword Dance does work, the very fact that you have an additional controllable character makes Omega easier. The only real benefit the Berserker has is the ability to equip the Aegis Shield and hopefully block something nasty heading to the party Hmm. I rarely get Monk, but a Barehand Swords Dance crit has to do 9999 right? derra fucked around with this message at 14:15 on May 31, 2019 |
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