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Moridin920 posted:Maybe China will go for it and then watch the US get fired up suddenly too Basically this is what will need to happen.
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China already is going for it, and we're fools for standing by with our back turned and our hand down our pants.
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# ? May 26, 2019 05:12 |
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china claims to be going for everything all the time though
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# ? May 26, 2019 05:13 |
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Fojar38 posted:china claims to be going for everything all the time though You should believe them.
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# ? May 26, 2019 05:19 |
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:You should believe them. lol
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# ? May 26, 2019 05:49 |
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China's building artificial islands in the Sea of Tranquility.
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# ? May 26, 2019 10:02 |
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Julius CSAR posted:this is absolutely the dumbest goddamn poo poo Why don't you step outside the airlock and say that? *tumbles off uncontrollably, simultaneously asphyxiating, overheating and developing cancer*
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# ? May 26, 2019 10:07 |
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Realistic but not optimistic: Moon civilization is not going to happen until humanity is on the brink of death or Earth is uninhabitable because the process of getting it livable is a more enormous money sink than anything else in history and nobody's willing to put up the cash. It very well might happen, but it won't until it's almost too late for it to matter. The perspective of "I wanna do it first" seen in the original space race would spur some progress real fast in my opinion, but the internet-age thing-to-care-about-of-the-week culture is not gonna help the US maintain that attitude for very long. Optimistic but not realistic: Some countries have been really, really pushing for green energy and alternative fuels and production materials lately, with a lot of nebulous "by xxxx year that isn't this year we will be entirely green-fuel-efficient" goals getting set. If environmental protection takes precedence, colonizing the moon will not be necessary for a very long time. That will make it take even longer to get there than if there was a rush (or a competition between countries) but with the goal being more long-term I think some countries would be much more willing to pony up the money needed. So personally, I think moon colonization will happen someday either way, but it really is a matter of money over science as are all things in the 12+ digit number range. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 11:59 on May 26, 2019 |
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Xaintrailles posted:Why don't you step outside the airlock and say that? What in the world...
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# ? May 26, 2019 14:10 |
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The list of priorities should be 1) Robots to have sex with 2) Robots to have sex with 3) Robots to help the physically challenged 4) Robots to help the physically challenged have sex 5) Robots to explore space
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# ? May 26, 2019 14:17 |
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going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime.
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# ? May 26, 2019 14:28 |
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NavanaSokarad posted:going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime.
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# ? May 26, 2019 14:39 |
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NavanaSokarad posted:going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime. Going back to the moon means that there has to BE a moon. Imo.
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# ? May 26, 2019 16:08 |
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Maybe they mean it like "back to the future"
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# ? May 26, 2019 16:59 |
Noblesse Obliged posted:Good give it to poor people instead of space nerds who want to play in an airless sandbox with no value to anyone gently caress off with this dumb poo poo
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# ? May 26, 2019 17:42 |
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You can’t prove there’s a moon.
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# ? May 26, 2019 19:58 |
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CJacobs posted:Realistic but not optimistic: Moon civilization is not going to happen until humanity is on the brink of death or Earth is uninhabitable because the process of getting it livable is a more enormous money sink than anything else in history and nobody's willing to put up the cash. It very well might happen, but it won't until it's almost too late for it to matter. The perspective of "I wanna do it first" seen in the original space race would spur some progress real fast in my opinion, but the internet-age thing-to-care-about-of-the-week culture is not gonna help the US maintain that attitude for very long. There are so many obstacles to to living in space that it almost makes more sense to re engineer human biology for such a hostile environment than it does to try to terraform a planet. The ionizing radiation exposure alone is an almost insurmountable problem.
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# ? May 26, 2019 20:05 |
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Just live underground duh
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# ? May 26, 2019 21:45 |
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we should exile all the billionaires and up to moon colonies, but make it seem like an exclusive opportunity that those filthy poors don't have access to. they'd be stuck in tiny subterranean bunkers surrounded by vacuum and radiation, with only their peers for company.
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# ? May 26, 2019 22:37 |
Space exploration is good but using pell grant money is insane and bad Pretending this is a zero sum game where social welfare and developing space tech can't happen at the same time is really god drat stupid btw y'all and soon enough this planet will be so exhausted and derelict that of the tech isnt there already, the species is hosed and I'm really bored by nihilistic "we should go extinct, then" notions so like spare me but lol anyway this is a scam by the trump administration, sounds like they just want to destroy the Pell Grant
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NavanaSokarad posted:going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime. Aldrin is going to kick your goddamn rear end for this
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CJacobs posted:Realistic but not optimistic: Moon civilization is not going to happen until humanity is on the brink of death or Earth is uninhabitable because the process of getting it livable is a more enormous money sink than anything else in history and nobody's willing to put up the cash. It very well might happen, but it won't until it's almost too late for it to matter. The perspective of "I wanna do it first" seen in the original space race would spur some progress real fast in my opinion, but the internet-age thing-to-care-about-of-the-week culture is not gonna help the US maintain that attitude for very long. The entire concept of the thread, and actual scientists: "Here is how we can put up a functioning moon base for like 20 billion plus, over the next decade, give or take, we figure." You: "WE CAN'T JUST ALL GO LIVE ON THE MOON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE ACTUALLY LARGE SCALE COLONIZATION PODS HOUSING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE QUITE COMPLEX AND FURTHER MORE" No one is saying "Well we have to go colonize the moon with this project, right now." This is literally "Can some astronauts go stay on the moon like it's the ISS but on that big rock we can see from here". Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 23:25 on May 26, 2019 |
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Just so amazingly loving excited for when the terraforming efforts being undertaken by the inhabitants of MOONBASE ZETA catch the attention of a neighboring star system that until that point had never registered as anything other than a collection of dead stellar masses floating through the void and the void-people decide that after millenniums of observation the hideous human meat creatures have finally taken too arrogant a leap into space and the decision is made that the meat creatures must face a harsh judgment. Totally super stoked for when the gaseous energy beings from deep within the void destroy the moon finally ending the human's encroachment further away from their already dying planet and enslave mankind forcing them to create a super-weapon beyond which their greatest scientific minds had ever dreamed of and aim it at a system far off into interstellar space and obliterating the void-people's enemy the peaceful fish people of Tyrill VII scapegoating earthlings as the bringer of a genocide the likes of which no species in the cosmos could have imagined. YEAH GOOD JOB EVERYONE, SUPER EXCITED.
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Literally A Person posted:Just so amazingly loving excited for when the terraforming efforts being undertaken by the inhabitants of MOONBASE ZETA catch the attention of a neighboring star system that until that point had never registered as anything other than a collection of dead stellar masses floating through the void and the void-people decide that after millenniums of observation the hideous human meat creatures have finally taken too arrogant a leap into space and the decision is made that the meat creatures must face a harsh judgment. Totally super stoked for when the gaseous energy beings from deep within the void destroy the moon finally ending the human's encroachment further away from their already dying planet and enslave mankind forcing them to create a super-weapon beyond which their greatest scientific minds had ever dreamed of and aim it at a system far off into interstellar space and obliterating the void-people's enemy the peaceful fish people of Tyrill VII scapegoating earthlings as the bringer of a genocide the likes of which no species in the cosmos could have imagined. YEAH GOOD JOB EVERYONE, SUPER EXCITED. Again I think we're outpacing the 20'ish billion dollar budget layout here when we start talking about for SURE impressing the void-people enough to eradicate and or entomb our minds for ageless eternities within the in-etchable halls of their unfathomable mind prisons due to our moon farms. I think this is, and again, I'm just putting it out there, a bit premature based on some conjecture we had about maybe putting in a micro-green house experiment from some school children on one of the missions. But we can talk around this if others feel it's important.
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# ? May 26, 2019 23:31 |
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Let’s build a moon base so I can gently caress Liara T’Soni irl
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Big Beef City posted:Again I think we're outpacing the 20'ish billion dollar budget layout here when we start talking about for SURE impressing the void-people enough to eradicate and or entomb our minds for ageless eternities within the in-etchable halls of their unfathomable mind prisons due to our moon farms. You're probably right. Then again...
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# ? May 26, 2019 23:34 |
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Human salvation is off-planet. Any hesitation now, spells doom for millions in the future.
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# ? May 27, 2019 02:54 |
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If Donald Trump makes a moon base, I don't give a gently caress who he's murdering to make his tiny weird dick hard, I will vote this man dicktator for life. He can call it Trump Base and have a big gold logo on it, I dgaf, put a base on the moon Donald Trump
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# ? May 27, 2019 03:22 |
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Who cares about humanity's extinction the ride ends when you die anyways. People bitch and moan about dying Earth and space travel being the only way to survive but that's ridiculous. There is no place in the solar system that is better adapted for human survival than Earth, even if we poo poo all over it for another couple of centuries. You'd be mad to pick Mars or some other commonly suggested candidate over the worst, driest and most inhospitable environment on Earth. We don't have anything close to self-sufficient and self-contained environment technologies that we need to survive in space or other planets. And if we did, they'd serve far better on Earth.
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# ? May 27, 2019 03:25 |
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Mars is one of the last places in the universe you'd actually go. If you have the technology to colonize it for real, you have the technology to colonize an asteroid, and then you're not stuck at the bottom of a huge gravity well the next time you want to go somewhere. In the shorter term, it'd be far easier to colonize the bottom of the ocean than anywhere not on earth.
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# ? May 27, 2019 03:35 |
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Why waste money on a boondoggle like this when we should be making a giant borehole to hell?
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# ? May 27, 2019 03:36 |
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Moridin920 posted:apple pissed $85 b into the wind on stock buy backs and we can't even fund a $20 billion space program lol we're such fuckwit morons
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# ? May 27, 2019 03:53 |
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OctaMurk posted:Going back to the moon means that there has to BE a moon. Imo.
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# ? May 27, 2019 03:53 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:Who cares about humanity's extinction the ride ends when you die anyways. Wow, buzzkill.
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# ? May 27, 2019 04:08 |
That downer assessment completely ignores the finite nature of so many resources we are burning thru and wasting that can't be replenished or recycled. We're probably gonna have to bring stuff back or go offworld to get more stuff
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# ? May 27, 2019 04:17 |
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It also kind of ignores the risk of nuclear war or planet killer asteroid. Not that Mars is immune to nuclear hellfire, just that it takes a lot more effort to launch a missile there.
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# ? May 27, 2019 04:34 |
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basic hitler posted:That downer assessment completely ignores the finite nature of so many resources we are burning thru and wasting that can't be replenished or recycled. We're probably gonna have to bring stuff back or go offworld to get more stuff Except for radioactive elements and maybe helium we can recycle all that poo poo, we just don't because it's too expensive or hard to do. It's not like the atoms disappear when we throw poo poo in the bin.
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# ? May 27, 2019 04:39 |
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CassandraZara posted:It also kind of ignores the risk of nuclear war or planet killer asteroid. Not that Mars is immune to nuclear hellfire, just that it takes a lot more effort to launch a missile there. If you can send enough rockets to Mars to colonise it, nukes wont be very difficult. Oh and Earth would probably still be more habitable than Mars even after a killer asteroid or nuclear war. Mars is a poo poo hole with no atmosphere, magnetosphere, has poison soil and gently caress all water.
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# ? May 27, 2019 05:11 |
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Like a bright eyed scifi dork in me thinks that artificial space stations are the best bet for actually living off world (artificial gravity through spin, radiation shielding is simple once you have industry not down a gravity well and complete control over ecosystem) but none of that is going to happen for a variety of reasons. Also I really don't envy those brave first martians who get the news that killer asteroid carrying like a thousand nukes crashes into Earth and kills everyone so they all starve to death or succumb to the environment.
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Colonel Cancer posted:Like a bright eyed scifi dork in me thinks that artificial space stations are the best bet for actually living off world (artificial gravity through spin, radiation shielding is simple once you have industry not down a gravity well and complete control over ecosystem) but none of that is going to happen for a variety of reasons. Living inside balloons on Venus 50 miles in the sky would be way cooler
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