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Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

Moridin920 posted:

Maybe China will go for it and then watch the US get fired up suddenly too

Basically this is what will need to happen.

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Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

China already is going for it, and we're fools for standing by with our back turned and our hand down our pants.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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china claims to be going for everything all the time though

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Fojar38 posted:

china claims to be going for everything all the time though

You should believe them.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

You should believe them.

lol

Xaintrailles
Aug 14, 2015

:hellyeah::histdowns:
China's building artificial islands in the Sea of Tranquility.

Xaintrailles
Aug 14, 2015

:hellyeah::histdowns:

Julius CSAR posted:

this is absolutely the dumbest goddamn poo poo

Why don't you step outside the airlock and say that?

*tumbles off uncontrollably, simultaneously asphyxiating, overheating and developing cancer*

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Realistic but not optimistic: Moon civilization is not going to happen until humanity is on the brink of death or Earth is uninhabitable because the process of getting it livable is a more enormous money sink than anything else in history and nobody's willing to put up the cash. It very well might happen, but it won't until it's almost too late for it to matter. The perspective of "I wanna do it first" seen in the original space race would spur some progress real fast in my opinion, but the internet-age thing-to-care-about-of-the-week culture is not gonna help the US maintain that attitude for very long.

Optimistic but not realistic: Some countries have been really, really pushing for green energy and alternative fuels and production materials lately, with a lot of nebulous "by xxxx year that isn't this year we will be entirely green-fuel-efficient" goals getting set. If environmental protection takes precedence, colonizing the moon will not be necessary for a very long time. That will make it take even longer to get there than if there was a rush (or a competition between countries) but with the goal being more long-term I think some countries would be much more willing to pony up the money needed.

So personally, I think moon colonization will happen someday either way, but it really is a matter of money over science as are all things in the 12+ digit number range.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 11:59 on May 26, 2019

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

by sebmojo

Xaintrailles posted:

Why don't you step outside the airlock and say that?

*tumbles off uncontrollably, simultaneously asphyxiating, overheating and developing cancer*

What in the world...

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
The list of priorities should be

1) Robots to have sex with
2) Robots to have sex with
3) Robots to help the physically challenged
4) Robots to help the physically challenged have sex
5) Robots to explore space

NavanaSokarad
Jan 19, 2019
going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime.

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

by sebmojo

NavanaSokarad posted:

going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime.

:downs:

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

NavanaSokarad posted:

going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime.

Going back to the moon means that there has to BE a moon. Imo.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Maybe they mean it like "back to the future" :thunk:

Trumps Baby Hands
Mar 27, 2016

Silent white light filled the world. And the righteous and unrighteous alike were consumed in that holy fire.

Noblesse Obliged posted:

Good give it to poor people instead of space nerds who want to play in an airless sandbox with no value to anyone

gently caress off with this dumb poo poo

BattleCattle
May 11, 2014

You can’t prove there’s a moon.

cardiacarrest123
Apr 10, 2016

CJacobs posted:

Realistic but not optimistic: Moon civilization is not going to happen until humanity is on the brink of death or Earth is uninhabitable because the process of getting it livable is a more enormous money sink than anything else in history and nobody's willing to put up the cash. It very well might happen, but it won't until it's almost too late for it to matter. The perspective of "I wanna do it first" seen in the original space race would spur some progress real fast in my opinion, but the internet-age thing-to-care-about-of-the-week culture is not gonna help the US maintain that attitude for very long.

Optimistic but not realistic: Some countries have been really, really pushing for green energy and alternative fuels and production materials lately, with a lot of nebulous "by xxxx year that isn't this year we will be entirely green-fuel-efficient" goals getting set. If environmental protection takes precedence, colonizing the moon will not be necessary for a very long time. That will make it take even longer to get there than if there was a rush (or a competition between countries) but with the goal being more long-term I think some countries would be much more willing to pony up the money needed.

So personally, I think moon colonization will happen someday either way, but it really is a matter of money over science as are all things in the 12+ digit number range.

There are so many obstacles to to living in space that it almost makes more sense to re engineer human biology for such a hostile environment than it does to try to terraform a planet. The ionizing radiation exposure alone is an almost insurmountable problem.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Just live underground duh

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
we should exile all the billionaires and up to moon colonies, but make it seem like an exclusive opportunity that those filthy poors don't have access to. they'd be stuck in tiny subterranean bunkers surrounded by vacuum and radiation, with only their peers for company.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Space exploration is good but using pell grant money is insane and bad

Pretending this is a zero sum game where social welfare and developing space tech can't happen at the same time is really god drat stupid btw y'all and soon enough this planet will be so exhausted and derelict that of the tech isnt there already, the species is hosed and I'm really bored by nihilistic "we should go extinct, then" notions so like spare me but lol anyway this is a scam by the trump administration, sounds like they just want to destroy the Pell Grant

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

NavanaSokarad posted:

going "back" to the moon means that we would have had to go to the moon a first time. I dont believe that we did. Do i think it would be cool to see us on the moon? Hell yes. there is no reason we couldnt colonize the moon and possibly mars in the future. I would love to be able to see that in my lifetime.

Aldrin is going to kick your goddamn rear end for this

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

CJacobs posted:

Realistic but not optimistic: Moon civilization is not going to happen until humanity is on the brink of death or Earth is uninhabitable because the process of getting it livable is a more enormous money sink than anything else in history and nobody's willing to put up the cash. It very well might happen, but it won't until it's almost too late for it to matter. The perspective of "I wanna do it first" seen in the original space race would spur some progress real fast in my opinion, but the internet-age thing-to-care-about-of-the-week culture is not gonna help the US maintain that attitude for very long.

Optimistic but not realistic: Some countries have been really, really pushing for green energy and alternative fuels and production materials lately, with a lot of nebulous "by xxxx year that isn't this year we will be entirely green-fuel-efficient" goals getting set. If environmental protection takes precedence, colonizing the moon will not be necessary for a very long time. That will make it take even longer to get there than if there was a rush (or a competition between countries) but with the goal being more long-term I think some countries would be much more willing to pony up the money needed.

So personally, I think moon colonization will happen someday either way, but it really is a matter of money over science as are all things in the 12+ digit number range.

The entire concept of the thread, and actual scientists: "Here is how we can put up a functioning moon base for like 20 billion plus, over the next decade, give or take, we figure."

You: "WE CAN'T JUST ALL GO LIVE ON THE MOON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE ACTUALLY LARGE SCALE COLONIZATION PODS HOUSING MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE QUITE COMPLEX AND FURTHER MORE"



No one is saying "Well we have to go colonize the moon with this project, right now." This is literally "Can some astronauts go stay on the moon like it's the ISS but on that big rock we can see from here".

Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 23:25 on May 26, 2019

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Just so amazingly loving excited for when the terraforming efforts being undertaken by the inhabitants of MOONBASE ZETA catch the attention of a neighboring star system that until that point had never registered as anything other than a collection of dead stellar masses floating through the void and the void-people decide that after millenniums of observation the hideous human meat creatures have finally taken too arrogant a leap into space and the decision is made that the meat creatures must face a harsh judgment. Totally super stoked for when the gaseous energy beings from deep within the void destroy the moon finally ending the human's encroachment further away from their already dying planet and enslave mankind forcing them to create a super-weapon beyond which their greatest scientific minds had ever dreamed of and aim it at a system far off into interstellar space and obliterating the void-people's enemy the peaceful fish people of Tyrill VII scapegoating earthlings as the bringer of a genocide the likes of which no species in the cosmos could have imagined. YEAH GOOD JOB EVERYONE, SUPER EXCITED.

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Literally A Person posted:

Just so amazingly loving excited for when the terraforming efforts being undertaken by the inhabitants of MOONBASE ZETA catch the attention of a neighboring star system that until that point had never registered as anything other than a collection of dead stellar masses floating through the void and the void-people decide that after millenniums of observation the hideous human meat creatures have finally taken too arrogant a leap into space and the decision is made that the meat creatures must face a harsh judgment. Totally super stoked for when the gaseous energy beings from deep within the void destroy the moon finally ending the human's encroachment further away from their already dying planet and enslave mankind forcing them to create a super-weapon beyond which their greatest scientific minds had ever dreamed of and aim it at a system far off into interstellar space and obliterating the void-people's enemy the peaceful fish people of Tyrill VII scapegoating earthlings as the bringer of a genocide the likes of which no species in the cosmos could have imagined. YEAH GOOD JOB EVERYONE, SUPER EXCITED.

Again I think we're outpacing the 20'ish billion dollar budget layout here when we start talking about for SURE impressing the void-people enough to eradicate and or entomb our minds for ageless eternities within the in-etchable halls of their unfathomable mind prisons due to our moon farms.
I think this is, and again, I'm just putting it out there, a bit premature based on some conjecture we had about maybe putting in a micro-green house experiment from some school children on one of the missions.

But we can talk around this if others feel it's important.

Julius CSAR
Oct 3, 2007

by sebmojo
Let’s build a moon base so I can gently caress Liara T’Soni irl

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Big Beef City posted:

Again I think we're outpacing the 20'ish billion dollar budget layout here when we start talking about for SURE impressing the void-people enough to eradicate and or entomb our minds for ageless eternities within the in-etchable halls of their unfathomable mind prisons due to our moon farms.
I think this is, and again, I'm just putting it out there, a bit premature based on some conjecture we had about maybe putting in a micro-green house experiment from some school children on one of the missions.

But we can talk around this if others feel it's important.

You're probably right.

Then again...:tinfoil::tinfoil::tinfoil:

interwhat
Jul 23, 2005

it's kickin in dude
Human salvation is off-planet. Any hesitation now, spells doom for millions in the future.

Infinite Karma
Oct 23, 2004
Good as dead





If Donald Trump makes a moon base, I don't give a gently caress who he's murdering to make his tiny weird dick hard, I will vote this man dicktator for life. He can call it Trump Base and have a big gold logo on it, I dgaf, put a base on the moon Donald Trump

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Who cares about humanity's extinction the ride ends when you die anyways.

People bitch and moan about dying Earth and space travel being the only way to survive but that's ridiculous. There is no place in the solar system that is better adapted for human survival than Earth, even if we poo poo all over it for another couple of centuries. You'd be mad to pick Mars or some other commonly suggested candidate over the worst, driest and most inhospitable environment on Earth.

We don't have anything close to self-sufficient and self-contained environment technologies that we need to survive in space or other planets. And if we did, they'd serve far better on Earth.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Mars is one of the last places in the universe you'd actually go. If you have the technology to colonize it for real, you have the technology to colonize an asteroid, and then you're not stuck at the bottom of a huge gravity well the next time you want to go somewhere.

In the shorter term, it'd be far easier to colonize the bottom of the ocean than anywhere not on earth.

Lamebot
Sep 8, 2005

ロボ顔菌~♡
Why waste money on a boondoggle like this when we should be making a giant borehole to hell?

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000

I LITERALLY SLEEP IN A RACING CAR. DO YOU?
p.s. ask me about my subscription mattress
Ultra Carp

Moridin920 posted:

apple pissed $85 b into the wind on stock buy backs and we can't even fund a $20 billion space program lol we're such fuckwit morons

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000

I LITERALLY SLEEP IN A RACING CAR. DO YOU?
p.s. ask me about my subscription mattress
Ultra Carp

OctaMurk posted:

Going back to the moon means that there has to BE a moon. Imo.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Colonel Cancer posted:

Who cares about humanity's extinction the ride ends when you die anyways.

People bitch and moan about dying Earth and space travel being the only way to survive but that's ridiculous. There is no place in the solar system that is better adapted for human survival than Earth, even if we poo poo all over it for another couple of centuries. You'd be mad to pick Mars or some other commonly suggested candidate over the worst, driest and most inhospitable environment on Earth.

We don't have anything close to self-sufficient and self-contained environment technologies that we need to survive in space or other planets. And if we did, they'd serve far better on Earth.

Wow, buzzkill.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


That downer assessment completely ignores the finite nature of so many resources we are burning thru and wasting that can't be replenished or recycled. We're probably gonna have to bring stuff back or go offworld to get more stuff

CassandraZara
Oct 21, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
It also kind of ignores the risk of nuclear war or planet killer asteroid. Not that Mars is immune to nuclear hellfire, just that it takes a lot more effort to launch a missile there.

Woden
May 6, 2006

basic hitler posted:

That downer assessment completely ignores the finite nature of so many resources we are burning thru and wasting that can't be replenished or recycled. We're probably gonna have to bring stuff back or go offworld to get more stuff

Except for radioactive elements and maybe helium we can recycle all that poo poo, we just don't because it's too expensive or hard to do. It's not like the atoms disappear when we throw poo poo in the bin.

Woden
May 6, 2006

CassandraZara posted:

It also kind of ignores the risk of nuclear war or planet killer asteroid. Not that Mars is immune to nuclear hellfire, just that it takes a lot more effort to launch a missile there.

If you can send enough rockets to Mars to colonise it, nukes wont be very difficult. Oh and Earth would probably still be more habitable than Mars even after a killer asteroid or nuclear war. Mars is a poo poo hole with no atmosphere, magnetosphere, has poison soil and gently caress all water.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Like a bright eyed scifi dork in me thinks that artificial space stations are the best bet for actually living off world (artificial gravity through spin, radiation shielding is simple once you have industry not down a gravity well and complete control over ecosystem) but none of that is going to happen for a variety of reasons.

Also I really don't envy those brave first martians who get the news that killer asteroid carrying like a thousand nukes crashes into Earth and kills everyone so they all starve to death or succumb to the environment.

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Infinite Karma
Oct 23, 2004
Good as dead





Colonel Cancer posted:

Like a bright eyed scifi dork in me thinks that artificial space stations are the best bet for actually living off world (artificial gravity through spin, radiation shielding is simple once you have industry not down a gravity well and complete control over ecosystem) but none of that is going to happen for a variety of reasons.

Also I really don't envy those brave first martians who get the news that killer asteroid carrying like a thousand nukes crashes into Earth and kills everyone so they all starve to death or succumb to the environment.

Living inside balloons on Venus 50 miles in the sky would be way cooler

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