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Big Beef City: Aug 15, 2013

Salt Fish posted:

My ideal of the coolest future is one where you're born in a 30 cubic meter spaceship, live your entire life in it, have kids, then die never having seen a plant or animal, and 3000 generations pass by and your descendants finally arrive at a habitale planet, only to land and be eaten by the native equilvent of bears.

If only ONE copy of the King James bible touches down on the desolated husk of the space bear corpse world and the word of the LORD stretches out to the Abyss, then we shall have done our utmost.
Godspeed...God.

# ? May 28, 2019 22:39

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 06:07

Im Ready for DEATH: Oct 5, 2016

We should take care of our planet, and its inhabitants, and also do cool space poo poo.

# ? May 28, 2019 23:52

Helical Nightmares: Apr 30, 2009

Russia wants to go to the moon too.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/05/how-russia-yes-russia-plans-to-land-cosmonauts-on-the-moon-by-2030/

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Last Thursday, the leader of Russia's state space corporation, Dmitry Rogozin, gave a wide-ranging talk at Moscow University. The speech sought to describe activities happening now at Roscosmos and what may happen in the future, including a potential lunar landing.

Rogozin addressed his comments largely to students at the university, and he sought to paint a picture of a vibrant national space enterprise. This is presumably to boost the desirability of a career in space, as young people have been pursuing aerospace careers in smaller numbers. Reports of low salaries, low morale, and a lack of funding to even remove trash from Roscosmos facilities has not helped this trend.

The Russian plan
Via Robinson Mitchell, Ars obtained a copy of the slide deck Rogozin used for his speech and a translation of its contents (key slides are shown above). Of particular interest is the speech's focus on an independent lunar landing featuring cosmonauts by 2030. Taken at face value�which probably is not wise, given the big question of how Russia would fund such an enterprise�a Russian attempt to land humans on the Moon a decade from now would set up an extraordinary race among that country, NASA's Artemis Program, and China's lunar ambitions.

Under the plan outlined by Rogozin, the country will initially develop a new "Super Heavy" booster with a capacity of 103 metric tons to low Earth orbit and 27 metric tons to Lunar polar orbit. This is roughly equivalent to an upgraded version of NASA's Space Launch System, known as Block 1B.

The plan includes the development of the "Federation" spacecraft by 2022, with its first flight to the International Space Station by 2023. Deep-space flights of this spacecraft would follow in the mid-2020s, along with a return of lunar soil to Earth using the Luna-Grunt probe in 2027.

Finally, in 2029, crew flights to lunar orbit would begin, along with flight testing of a lunar lander and an inflatable lunar base module. The crew landing would take place in 2030, although Rogozin said he would like to move those dates earlier if possible.

In terms of strategy, Rogozin said he did not believe there is much potential for industrial utilization of the Moon, a theme that has been a key component of US and commercial plans to send humans back to the Moon. Rather, one strategic reason Rogozin cited was the role of a lunar station in defense against comets and asteroids. (It is not clear how that would work).

Doubting Rogozin
The speech comes amid questions about the future of Rogozin. Rumors have been swirling about whether he will soon be removed from the job. A respected Russian aerospace analyst, Vadim Lukashevich, shared some thoughts about the speech on his Facebook account.

"Yesterday's speech by Dmitry Rogozin at Moscow State University, judging from several inside sources, overflowed the cup of patience," Lukashevich wrote. "Now everyone is talking about his impending resignation, including his subordinates (these last predominately in curses). Very difficult times are ahead for our space program."

These difficulties may include a troubling trend in Russian rocket failures, an uncertain future with its long-standing NASA partnership, funding issues, and more. For this reason, it is difficult to envision Russia launching an ambitious program to land on the Moon, but as ever, the country's progress (or lack of) will be worth tracking.

# ? May 29, 2019 03:47

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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It costs nothing to say "yeah we're gonna go to the moon in over a decade from now when nobody will remember we said this"

especially lol at Russia and China talking about building moon cities when both economies are currently hemorrhaging money

# ? May 29, 2019 03:59

Blurry Gray Thing: Jun 3, 2009

OctaMurk posted:

Going back to the moon means that there has to BE a moon. Imo.

Exactly!

It's 2019! Either the moon landing happened, or we go full Flat Earth. Ain't nobody got time for some wishy washy "the moon landing was fake, but the Earth and the moon are still spheres and we COULD go to the moon!" fence sitter anymore.

# ? May 29, 2019 04:14

Rad-daddio: Apr 25, 2017

I'm setting up a space mission to drill deep into Uranus.

# ? May 29, 2019 05:02

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

jokes on you, it's all just gas

# ? May 29, 2019 05:03

Helical Nightmares: Apr 30, 2009

NASA is trying to commercialize Low-Earth Orbit by using the International Space Station.

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-announce-commercial-opportunities-at-international-space-station

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NASA will announce the agency�s plans to open the International Space Station to expanded commercial activities at 10 a.m. EDT Friday, June 7, at Nasdaq in New York City. The news conference will be carried live on NASA Television and the agency�s website.

Participants in the news briefing are:

Jeff DeWit, chief financial officer, NASA Headquarters
Bill Gerstenmaier, associate administrator, NASA�s Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters
Robyn Gatens, deputy director, International Space Station, NASA Headquarters

The panelists will discuss NASA�s near-term, five-point plan to enable commercial and marketing activities aboard the International Space Station, with a long-term goal to achieve a robust economy in low-Earth orbit from which NASA can purchase services as one of many customers. The commercialization of low-Earth orbit will enable NASA to focus resources on landing the first woman and next man on the Moon by 2024, as the first phase in creating a sustainable lunar presence to prepare for future missions to Mars.

Media who would like to participate in person or by phone must contact Stephanie Schierholz at stephanie.schierholz@nasa.gov or 202-358-4997 no later than noon, Thursday, June 6. Questions may be submitted on Twitter during the teleconference using the hashtag #askNASA.

NASA�s plan addresses both the supply-side and demand-side for a new economy, enabling use of government resources for commercial activities, creating the opportunity for private astronaut missions to the space station, enabling commercial destinations in low-Earth orbit, identifying and pursuing activities that foster new and emerging markets, and quantifying NASA�s long-term demand for activities in low-Earth orbit.

The plan is informed by recommendations 12 companies made in recent market studies to assess the potential growth of a low-Earth orbit economy and how to best stimulate private demand for commercial human spaceflight and other commercial and marketing activities in low-Earth orbit.

However these "new and emerging [low-Earth orbit] markets" are not detailed. :shrug:

# ? Jun 2, 2019 22:21

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

how does this coordinate with Elon's plan for LEO satellite domination?

# ? Jun 2, 2019 22:23

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

elon has so much more money than nasa lol RIP

# ? Jun 2, 2019 22:24

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

wait a second tho. jeff bezos emerges

# ? Jun 2, 2019 22:24

Shibawanko: Feb 13, 2013

Sending a probe to Uranus would actually be really cool. It's a mostly unexplored planet and far more worthy of the money that is going to be wasted on manned poo poo.

# ? Jun 2, 2019 22:39

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

I will enjoy the brief time I have before the following is no longer accurate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM

# ? Jun 2, 2019 22:41

Colonel Cancer: Sep 26, 2015; Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Heh I'll send a probe to Uranus, just look for the light in the sky by the highway at 2 am.

# ? Jun 3, 2019 00:54

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

musk vs bezos is like alien vs predator

# ? Jun 3, 2019 02:10

Literally A Person: Jan 1, 1970; Smugworth Wuz Here

Oh yeah, just loving duper stoked for when the resources MOONBASE GAMMA receives from commercial advertising enterprise with the Earth-people starts to make the other moonbases covetous of the booming economy being established by Gamma-people while the more traditional moonbases are stuck hydroponically growing MOONBEETS for export to Earth at low cost and razor thin margins for the farmers. Just silly pumped for when Tranilion Council members from all but MOONBASE GAMMA attend secret meetings in an attempt to find a way to seize GAMMA'a resources for themselves and end up embroiling the moon in a thirty generation war that leaves dear Luna a husk of it's former productive self. Extremely mega-jazzed for when the last peoples left on a dying moon with no access to the once generous and nutritious beet fields or even clean water sit in the trenches and think to themselves what the hell is it even for. Just so :stoked:

# ? Jun 3, 2019 04:38

Big Beef City: Aug 15, 2013

Literally A Person posted:

Oh yeah, just loving duper stoked for when the resources MOONBASE GAMMA receives from commercial advertising enterprise with the Earth-people starts to make the other moonbases covetous of the booming economy being established by Gamma-people while the more traditional moonbases are stuck hydroponically growing MOONBEETS for export to Earth at low cost and razor thin margins for the farmers. Just silly pumped for when Tranilion Council members from all but MOONBASE GAMMA attend secret meetings in an attempt to find a way to seize GAMMA'a resources for themselves and end up embroiling the moon in a thirty generation war that leaves dear Luna a husk of it's former productive self. Extremely mega-jazzed for when the last peoples left on a dying moon with no access to the once generous and nutritious beet fields or even clean water sit in the trenches and think to themselves what the hell is it even for. Just so

Right.
And again, like we talked about in the last email chain, I think we're all excited about the internecine conflicts inherent in a multigenerational trans-lunar beet war once we've fended off the beings and returned our trapped minds from their nightmare Shadow realm, right now I'd like to focus on establishing where we can establish funding for our first Earth to LEO test satellite.
No doubt centuries of interdimensional psychic war with unknowable hostile alien entities so advanced they may as well be Gods and we ourselves mere ants, and Lunar produce piracy reduction efforts by the UN Space force, or 'Sol-tilla', as you've repeatedly called them ARE on the forefront of everyone's minds, I think it is ALSO vital that we aim to design a practicable launch vehicle that can get our first test probes into orbit. Does anyone have any insight on how those project goals are progressing?

# ? Jun 3, 2019 05:27

Les Os: Mar 29, 2010

Shibawanko posted:

Sending a probe to Uranus would actually be really cool

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# ? Jun 3, 2019 08:11

Colonel Cancer: Sep 26, 2015; Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon

Just think of the moon beer opportunities! No longer will you have to rely on the goddamn russkies on the ISS for your fancy craft beer, this one will come straight from the moon.

# ? Jun 3, 2019 10:34

Lord Frankenstyle: Dec 3, 2005; Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

"we're going to the moon" is government speak for "C'mon mom, I'll get a job tomorrow".

# ? Jun 3, 2019 10:54

Fried Watermelon: Dec 29, 2008

What will come first, the neural lace or a human on mars?

Going to guess that we get the neural lace first and send our robot bodies to "mars" which ends up just being a VR sim or a patch of desert somewhere on hell-Earth

# ? Jun 3, 2019 14:34

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

what the gently caress is a neural lace? is that the matrix? yeah that poo poo is right around the corner. did you see the girl that controls the prosthetic arm with her mind?

# ? Jun 15, 2019 05:57

Big Beef City: Aug 15, 2013

Neural lace is what my moon girlfriend wears, she and it are really busy and can't come to the holo projector right now though

# ? Jun 15, 2019 06:01

Damo: Nov 8, 2002; The second-generation Pontiac Sunbird, introduced by the automaker for the 1982 model year as the J2000, was built to be an inexpensive and fuel-efficient front-wheel-drive commuter car capable of seating five.; Offensive Clock

at the risk of a politics sixer (this is relevant to the topic mods pls keep reading), im sure you all saw the trumo tweet a week or a million years ago, who knows, about gently caress going to the moon, been there done that, which is what he and his own admin and vp declared they are doing for their space policy just a short time ago. he just immediately completely contradicted his own announced space policy. it really inspires confidence in this program

lol at anyone who still thinks any of this poo poo will happen, let alone in the insanely short time frame claimed. space poo poo has been claimed for decades now by all the previous presidents and has never happened. nothing new, just a bunch of bullshit to create make work jobs at best.

edit: also in a perfect world where the policy doesnt get immediately changed, lol at just an extra 1.6 billion allotted to nasa, even if just for the year. sure that will do it, dude. that covers like 1 sls launch, if the loving thing is ever built and can launch, let alone get man rated. a real game changer there. moon base here we come!

Damo fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jun 15, 2019

# ? Jun 15, 2019 06:46

Icochet: Mar 18, 2008; I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~; Grimey Drawer

america so fat they wanna occupy cheese

# ? Jun 15, 2019 09:17

MarcusSA: Sep 23, 2007

Jose posted:

I can't wait to go see this next month when it's released to the UK. Only uses original footage and interviews that were restored and then new music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSTucPDS0-8

Holy poo poo this looks good.

# ? Jun 15, 2019 09:29

Sjs00: Jun 29, 2013; Yeah Baby Yeah !

found in a derelict vessel, year 20XX

# ? Jul 4, 2019 21:44

Mooey Cow: Jan 27, 2018; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Pillbug

Have we gone yet???

# ? Jul 4, 2019 22:02

Im Ready for DEATH: Oct 5, 2016

I just got back from the moon, and boy are my cells cancerous

# ? Jul 7, 2019 04:05

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

DA MOOOON

# ? Jul 7, 2019 04:24

Helical Nightmares: Apr 30, 2009

India is attempting a soft landing on the Moon, and the Asian Space Race.

Chandrayaan-2: Success in India's second attempt at launching Moon mission

From CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/asia...CNNi+-+World%29

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New Delhi (CNN)India has successfully launched a mission to soft land a rover on the moon, in a landmark moment for a nation trying to become a space superpower.

The country's latest lunar mission, Chandrayaan-2, which means "moon vehicle" in Sanskrit, took off from the Satish Dhawan Space Center at Sriharikota in Andhra Pradesh state at 2:43 p.m., Monday local time (5:13 am ET).
The launch was originally scheduled for July 15, but was abruptly called off just 56 minutes before lift-off due to a "technical snag." India is now on the way to becoming the fourth country -- in addition to United States, China and the former Soviet Union -- to make a soft-landing on the lunar surface.

quote:

The Chandrayaan-2, which weighs 3.8 tons and carries 13 payloads, has three elements -- lunar orbiter, lander and rover, all developed by the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO).

It will travel for two months, before positioning itself in a circular orbit 62 miles (100km) above the moon's surface. From there, the lander -- named Vikram after the pioneer of the Indian space program Vikram Sarabhai -- will separate from the main vessel and gently land on the moon's surface near its South Pole.

A robotic rover named Pragyan (meaning "wisdom") will then deploy and spend one lunar day, or 14 Earth days, collecting mineral and chemical samples from the moon's surface for remote scientific analysis.

Over the next year, the orbiter will map the lunar surface and study the outer atmosphere of the moon.

Kailasavadivoo Sivan, ISRO chairman, said in June that the last 15 minutes of the landing "are going to be the most terrifying moments for us."

Speaking at a press conference soon after the launch, Sivan said the "mammoth task" was possible thanks to the "hard work by Team ISRO."

"They worked continuously, forgot about their families, sacrificing their interests...in a non-stop mode, they worked to ensure that the snag was fixed properly."

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi took to Twitter to congratulate the team.

"Special moments that will be etched in the annals of our glorious history! The launch of #Chandrayaan2 illustrates the prowess of our scientists and the determination of 130 crore Indians to scale new frontiers of science. Every Indian is immensely proud today!" he tweeted.

As well as coinciding with the 50th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing, the launch comes as other space agencies revisit the idea of sending humans to the moon and beyond -- NASA has touted a bold plan to return American astronauts to the moon by 2024.

India's space ambitions

This mission is significant for India -- the country wants to become a major space player and put Indian astronauts in space by 2022.

"India wants to show, especially since Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi came into office, that India is a major power, and that India has to be treated as a major Indo-Pacific power," said Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan, head of the nuclear and space policy initiative at the Observer Research Foundation.

Chandrayaan-1, India's maiden lunar mission, discovered water molecules on the surface of the moon. As part of that mission, an impact probe crashed into the moon's south polar region in a controlled landing.
India's attempted soft-landing is a far greater technical challenge than the controlled crash of Chandrayaan-1.

The two Chandrayaan missions are a precursor to Chandrayaan-3, which is scheduled to make a return mission to the moon in 2023-2024.

In 2014, India became the first Asian nation to reach the Red Planet, when it put the Mangalyaan probe into orbit around Mars. The Mars Orbiter Mission famously cost $74 million -- less than the $100 million than Hollywood spent making space thriller "Gravity."

In 2017, India launched a record 104 satellites in one mission while operating a low-cost budget. Earlier this year, Prime Minister Modi announced that India had shot down one of its own satellites, in what it claimed was an anti-satellite test, making it one of four countries to have achieved that feat.

Modi said that operation, called Mission Shakti -- which stands for "power" in Hindi -- would defend the country's interests in space. The Foreign Ministry said that India had "no intention of entering into an arms race in outer space."

Yeah loving right. Where there is competition, there will be weapons.

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The nation is also positioning itself as the launch pad for the world's commercial satellites -- it has launched 297 foreign satellites for 33 countries, according to the government's space agency.

ISRO chairman Sivan also announced in June that India was planning to set up an independent space station by 2030. Currently, the only space station available for expedition crews is the International Space Station (ISS) a joint project, which several countries participate in.

India's space agency has also proposed sending an orbiter to Venus by 2023.

Some say India's ambitious goals are unrealistic.

"ISRO also has a capacity deficit, limited human and financial resources, so how will those be allocated between the space station and the astronauts program?" asked Rajagopalan. "Some of these things are driven towards nationalistic sentiments, pride and prestige but some are not going to be achievable."

Asia space race

There is competing competition for space-related power and prestige in Asia -- with China, India and Japan all outlining bold space exploration plans.

China, India's great regional rival for superpower status, is the most rapidly accelerating space power and, under President Xi Jinping's leadership, has invested billions in building up its space program.

In January, China made history by becoming the first nation to land a rover on the far side of the moon and a planned mission next year is due to land on the moon, collect samples and return to Earth.

Preliminary plans are also underway for a manned lunar mission in the 2030s. If successful, China would become only the second country, after the US, to put a citizen on the moon.

Beijing is also spending big on the Tiangong program, a precursor to a permanent space station it plans to finish construction on by around 2022.

Moridin920 posted:

DA MOOOON

# ? Jul 23, 2019 00:13

Im Ready for DEATH: Oct 5, 2016

Hopefully India can put a man on the moon for the first time in human history.

# ? Jul 23, 2019 04:02

Methanar: Sep 26, 2013; by the sex ghost

lol that bezos wants to literally own the moon

# ? Jul 23, 2019 04:06

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 06:07

Sierra Nevadan: Nov 1, 2010

I'm super hyped for moon bases and stuff, even though I'm a poor who will never get to go.

Honestly, I don't give a poo poo about Mars and think the Moon is the new manifest destiny!

# ? Jul 23, 2019 04:07

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