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Sarcastr0
May 29, 2013


Catch-22: A well-acted drama that does a really good job of showing that war is serious, hellish business.

I'd be into it, if it weren't screwing up my favorite book. I mean, who plays Catch-22 straight? It's an impressive level of missing the point.

I think Catch-22 is challenging but adaptable, but this ain't it.

Also, Doc Daneeka was awful.

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Leocadia
Dec 26, 2011


I'm only 4 eps in, but I can't stop thinking about the dead man in Yossarian's tent. It's such a small beat that perfectly lays out Catch-22 and somehow they missed the point entirely. Although, their interpretation does seems to suit this show.

That's not to say I'm not enjoying it, it's a really beautiful show, it's just not quite Catch-22.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo


I was saying on the goon discord, i haven't read the books but i loved everything about it. I was mainly there for George Clooney and the warbird porn

Sarcastr0
May 29, 2013


Yeah, it is very well executed, and very much not like the book.

Except Daneeka just couldn't do the dialogue. Turns out he's one of the directors. But literally everyone else acted their balls off.

Leocadia
Dec 26, 2011


So I just fished the last two episodes and that was a fantastic season of television, so long as you're not expecting Catch-22. As it is, I'm just disappointed.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.


The flying over Italy bits always looks beautiful

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum


I really enjoyed the show. Abbot felt a bit flat but was more than made up for by the scenery chewing going on elsewhere. Milo's arc was absolutely hilarious and well acted.

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.


Such a weird show- actually not bad, with generally great acting and filming, but so much of the book seems to have gone over their heads. Torn between saying I liked it a lot, I was disappointed by it, and also that it seems like maybe the best way to adapt an unadaptable book is to just make something almost completely different.

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



I didnít feel like they played it straight. Itís pretty surreal and funny and hopeless.

I dunno, Catch-22 is my favorite book and thought it was the best adaption of the book you could hope for

Leocadia
Dec 26, 2011


Mandrel posted:

I didn’t feel like they played it straight. It’s pretty surreal and funny and hopeless.

I dunno, Catch-22 is my favorite book and thought it was the best adaption of the book you could hope for

I don't think they played it straight either, but it was a pretty toothless adaptation.

Their interpretation of Milo was the biggest problem. He went from a war profiteer with the black market tied up, to a dedicated mess officer, I guess?

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



Leocadia posted:

I don't think they played it straight either, but it was a pretty toothless adaptation.

Their interpretation of Milo was the biggest problem. He went from a war profiteer with the black market tied up, to a dedicated mess officer, I guess?

uh he still seemed like a war profiteer who ran a worldwide black market business. he didnít give a gently caress about the war or the army, any pretense he made about that was purely to bamboozle Kyle Chandler

Leocadia
Dec 26, 2011


Mandrel posted:

uh he still seemed like a war profiteer who ran a worldwide black market business. he didn’t give a gently caress about the war or the army, any pretense he made about that was purely to bamboozle Kyle Chandler

But it was still limited to food - no antiquities being shipped through Pianosa - and there wasn't any indication that he would, for example, feed Egyptian cotton to the troops just so he wouldn't take a loss.

Tristesse
Feb 23, 2006

Chasing the dream.


8/10 for no egyptian cotton, "where are the snowdens of yesteryear?" and no black eyes/ feathers in our caps list.

The last one I think they cut at the last minute, I remember at least one black eye mentioned.

I felt the tone was a fuckload bleaker than the book but otherwise maybe the best adaptation one could hope for.

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



Leocadia posted:

But it was still limited to food - no antiquities being shipped through Pianosa - and there wasn't any indication that he would, for example, feed Egyptian cotton to the troops just so he wouldn't take a loss.

it wasnít limited to food though, he trafficked weapons, vehicles, and military equipment as well including American arms to foreign buyers

Leocadia
Dec 26, 2011


Mandrel posted:

it wasn’t limited to food though, he trafficked weapons, vehicles, and military equipment as well including American arms to foreign buyers

Fair enough. I still feel like in the series he was motivated by his country, and in the book by himself. I don't remember, in the series did Milo have Yossarian's squadron flying his missions?

I'm willing to concede that maybe I just missed that part of his characterisation in the show.

Mandrel
Sep 24, 2006



Leocadia posted:

Fair enough. I still feel like in the series he was motivated by his country, and in the book by himself. I don't remember, in the series did Milo have Yossarian's squadron flying his missions?

I'm willing to concede that maybe I just missed that part of his characterisation in the show.

hmm, I donít think so. he mentions that heís only gotten like 5 done and thereís no loving way heís doing any more, but I donít think he has anybody fly the missions for him

Prairie Bus
Sep 22, 2006



Gotta agree with everyone, it's probably a fine miniseries on its own, but it pales in comparison to the book. Some of the wordplay and mania might've been too much for a TV show, and Milo's little notes in the supplies would probably come off as too cartoony. My biggest disappointment was Orr. Putting Yossarian in the plane with Orr as it goes down completely misses the point. Orr wanted Yossarian to fly with him so they could both escape. In the show, Orr tells Yossarian to jump out of the plane right as he's about to go to Sweden. Completely changes the tenor.

I really didn't like the musical choices. The period appropriate music was mostly alright, but all the stuff they had for the Big Dramatic Moments was just too . . . on the nose?

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Leocadia
Dec 26, 2011


Mandrel posted:

hmm, I don’t think so. he mentions that he’s only gotten like 5 done and there’s no loving way he’s doing any more, but I don’t think he has anybody fly the missions for him

I wasn't sure if I missed it. I thought it would feel out of character for series Milo to do so, but convincing Cathcart to have the squadron fly his missions feels very in character in the book. I know that an adaptation will always be different from the source, but so much of Milo was left out that he was completely different. At least to me.

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Gotta agree with everyone, it's probably a fine miniseries on its own, but it pales in comparison to the book. Some of the wordplay and mania might've been too much for a TV show, and Milo's little notes in the supplies would probably come off as too cartoony. My biggest disappointment was Orr. Putting Yossarian in the plane with Orr as it goes down completely misses the point. Orr wanted Yossarian to fly with him so they could both escape. In the show, Orr tells Yossarian to jump out of the plane right as he's about to go to Sweden. Completely changes the tenor.

I really didn't like the musical choices. The period appropriate music was mostly alright, but all the stuff they had for the Big Dramatic Moments was just too . . . on the nose?

I definitely agree about Orr, I found that scene very jarring.

I really enjoyed the music though.

I've realised that I have stronger than necessary feelings about Catch-22.

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