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eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
something needs to provide executive function on top of all the pattern marchers people have been building

symbolic AI is coming back for sure

2019 year of cyc

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eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
ah but you’re forgetting that the ML version will have unpredictable results handling unexpected input!

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
neural networks (ML) aren’t entirely horseshit, it’s just that what they actually let you do is far less than what a bunch of idiots eager for your cash let you do

animals do use neural nets for “everything,” sure, but real neurons are a bit more than simple integrators, so we’re not really very close to actually using neural nets the way animals do and getting the benefits of a faster substrate

instead we’re able to do basically one simple task in a way we don’t really understand, and we push even that far beyond reasonable use

if I were asked to make an “object recognizer,” I wouldn’t train one huge network on a million images of the object I want to recognize and allow steganography to break everything, I’d train a large number of smaller networks on different characteristics to recognize, and use additional separate networks to determine confidence according to recognitions, etc. finally arriving at the one confidence value

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
I know this

“Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
ontology redistributes phylactery

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
I kept reading Herzberg as Herzog

clearly non-machine learning also has a ways to go

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
too high a risk of Verizon Math

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

animist posted:

the type-safety of python with the compile times of c++

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
just use MACSYMA for your mathematical modeling

and Symbolics Plexi for your neural network modeling (to run on an Array Processor boardset in your 3670 or a Connection Machine, of course)

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

lancemantis posted:

statisticians amirite?

depends on your confidence interval

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Bloody posted:

i love advanced undergraduate analysis of algorithms

at some schools it’s like a weeder course for upperclassmen

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Schadenboner posted:

thispopactdoesnotexist.com

if you could both generate the look and the lyrics and the music and put it all together this could be awesome

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
“this white person probably exists and is awful”

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
it wouldn’t surprise me if it actually did full facial recognition, and checked whether he had the necessary paperwork filed to appear on her stream

it’s not like China isn’t actively maintaining a detailed profile on everyone—online and offline—and integrating it all with their bureaucracy and their technical infrastructure

you know, like Facebook

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Carthag Tuek posted:

youre the ones putting a gender identity on my email in the first place!!!

X.400 user spotted

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
what we really need is a machine learning model that can be used to distinguish human posts from machine-generated posts

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

BrokenGameboy posted:

Since the thread seems to mostly be talking about industry, what's ml been like in academia? Genuinely interested.

academia doesn’t do machine learning, that’s an industry thing

academia does artificial intelligence

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eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
true “self-driving cars” require solving artificial general intelligence, they’re not something you can develop algorithmically

and machine learning isn’t a scam, it just isn’t what it’s sold to lay people as: it’s black-box pattern recognition systems implemented via neural networks, not “intelligence” of any sort

like you can train a neural net to play Super Mario Bros. but it won’t be able to play a level it’s never seen before without a whole ton of extra work

that could be to increase the size of the network by several orders of magnitude and doing tons of randomized training for both positive and negative feedback so it’s more likely to not just randomly flake out on a new situation

or it could be by making the recondition models just one aspect of a system that’s under control of some kind of “executive” that can make higher level goal-oriented decisions while integrating new environmental information

either way the important part is that even most recognition models are temperamental and we don’t always get why they work, what cues they’re going off and so on, and the state of the art in implementing “executive function” requires an enormous amount of compute power and isn’t very usable for arbitrary tasks yet either

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