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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

new thread, old one was goldmined for being too good























































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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

please coup

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
For anyone that wants to seriously participate in this thread, I seriously recommend reading the OP

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/26/18640654/lindsey-graham-trump-invade-venezuela-reagan-grenada

quote:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a close ally of President Donald Trump, suggested the president take a tough stance in dealing with the ongoing Venezuelan crisis: A US invasion similar to the one executed by Ronald Reagan in Grenada back in 1983.

“Trump said rightly, Maduro’s not the legitimate leader of Venezuela. The entire region supports the Trump approach, that Guaidó is the legitimate leader,” Graham said on Fox News Sunday. “I would do exactly what Reagan did. I would give Cuba the ultimatum to get out of Venezuela. If they don’t, I would let the Venezuelan military know, you’ve got to choose between democracy and Maduro. And if you choose Maduro and Cuba, we’re coming after you. This is in our backyard.”
luv that reheated cold war propaganda

Pooky
Aug 29, 2004

I post fox news so u don't have to 💋
It's time to admit that the US just doesn't have the game it used to.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

solidarity with the humanitarian interventions of john bolton, elliot abrams, and donald trump

love me love me love me im a liberal

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

oh yah liberal superhero maddow deserves to be on this first page using mccarthyism to express solidarity with the most noble and high foreign policy goals of john bolton
https://twitter.com/maddowblog/status/1124485992247955456

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

Pooky posted:

It's time to admit that the US just doesn't have the game it used to.

I wonder what caused the massive decline

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
if socialism's so good why can no country with massive strategic resources survive without access to the global market due to extensive sanctions from the american empire

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I have read the OP and I am now a qualified expert on this topic. Please ban my posting enemies into oblivion, who have surely not read the OP.

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
This is where we talk about media criticism and afghanistan right?

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Yes I have, it's a really great horn thing.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Charles 2 of Spain posted:

Yes I have, it's a really great horn thing.

gently caress

vuvuzela

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

R. Guyovich posted:

new thread, old one was goldmined for being too good

dont worry, i'm here to make sure this one turns out terriJeb!

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
i can't believe i hadn't heard about venusaur before this

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

mortons stork posted:

For anyone that wants to seriously participate in this thread, I seriously recommend reading the OP

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug

mortons stork posted:

For anyone that wants to seriously participate in this thread, I seriously recommend reading the OP

oh good, thanks for this. i didn't read the old thread b/c i always felt out of my depth, but now i finally feel like i have a good handle on things

Rookoo
Jul 24, 2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKQ29aR3uK4

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

mortons stork posted:

For anyone that wants to seriously participate in this thread, I seriously recommend reading the OP

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

mortons stork posted:

For anyone that wants to seriously participate in this thread, I seriously recommend reading the OP

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 7 days!)

is venezuela still scary or have the liberals taken over yet

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Peanut President posted:

is venezuela still scary or have the liberals taken over yet

read the op

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
extremely scary. people are dying of hunger and easily treatable illnesses. nothing a bit of carpet bombing can't fix tho

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 7 days!)


no

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 7 days!)

Truga posted:

extremely scary. people are dying of hunger and easily treatable illnesses. nothing a bit of carpet bombing can't fix tho

i asked about venezuela not indiana

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

the -<C~*LIE*~A>- BTFO

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Peanut President posted:

i asked about venezuela not indiana

ah, sorry, my mistake i get them confused all the time

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
isnt cuba the only thing keeping the country (not just oligarchs) afloat

i'm gonna laugh if guaido thinks the usa will offer much support after he takes over, look at puerto rico

i suspect he's just another opportunist and knows that tho

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

the US has historically offered lots of support to latin american regimes it supported in a coup

it's just that support tends to be training and material support for torture, riot control, counter-insurgency, death squads, and other forms of oppression and politically defending the regime in the united nations

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i can't believe the country being targeted by a blockade has sought help from the country that's run a us blockade for nearly 60 years

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

ground loving floor in the maduro & assad tankie propaganda dissemination station

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Pooky posted:

It's time to admit that the US just doesn't have the game it used to.

that happens to a lot of empires as they get older

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

I'm the legitimate president of Venezuela. :)

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

sleeptalker posted:

I'm the legitimate president of Venezuela. :)

IDONTPOST
Apr 18, 2018




mortons stork posted:

For anyone that wants to seriously participate in this thread, I seriously recommend reading the OP

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Chillgamesh posted:

ground loving floor in the maduro & assad tankie propaganda dissemination station

greetings.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
I would recommend introduction of more leftist volunteers in defending venvala

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
Maduro's a dipshit, but I like that the president of the country is a former garbage collector instead of some vampire capitalist sociopath like we elect up here.

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1132957125301420033
Trash article, but it looks like low energy Guaidó comes crawling to the negotiating table

Also no trolls in the comments yelling at NPR that Guaidó isn't the opposition leader, but the legal president. So it looks like the coup has even run out of posting energy.


In other terrible Western coverage, Reuters blames shortages in Cuba on a planned economy, instead of the more aggressive blockade and sanctions.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1133078311058497538

quote:

The degree to which new U.S. sanctions, due in part to Cuba’s support for Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, have compounded its economic woes is open to debate.

The economy had already stagnated in recent years in tandem with the implosion of strategic ally Venezuela, resulting in cuts in fuel and energy use by state entities and this year shortages of basic goods such as bread, chicken and eggs.
...
“While the crisis will not be as bad as in the 1990s, it will have a worrying social impact on the most vulnerable households, which are already on subsistence salaries,” said Pavel Vidal, a former Cuban central bank economist who teaches at Colombia’s Universidad Javeriana Cali.
...
Some Cuban economists say the developing crisis stems fundamentally from an inefficient centrally-planned economy that imports more than two thirds of its food needs. Calling rationing little more than a short-term solution, they say the government must open up to a series of market-oriented economic reforms before the crisis deepens.

“This could be a critical moment that generates the consensus necessary to apply changes,” said Vidal. “The government needs to give more space to the private sector and investment.”

Cuba has enacted some economic reforms in recent years, including expanding the private sector from 2010 onward and introducing a new foreign investment law that cut taxes by around 50% in 2014.

But local economists like Omar Everleny say the reforms undertaken have been too cautious so far. The government has backtracked on overhauls of areas like agriculture and the dominant public sector remains deeply inefficient.

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