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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Ruzihm posted:

Saw this one on Facebook

Someone just make a copypasta explaining the preliminary results thing so we don't have to waste our time on these people

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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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upgunned shitpost posted:

when did this mas = coca farmers narrative start? all the wire services are balls deep in it for the sunday papers

sleeptalker posted:

Seems like English media is picking up on referring to the indigenous peoples as "coca leaf growers" (like not as something they do, but as their basic identification), get ready for some racist imperialist drug war framings.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Frijolero posted:

If you speak Spanish, this is the most concise and straightforward report and rebuttal of the "election fraud":

https://www.celag.org/sobre-la-oea-y-las-elecciones-en-bolivia/

To translate it and summarize:

- The transmission interruption after 80% is a feature.
- The OAS said that Morales having 60% support in the final ballots is "unsual." However, in the past similar locations have given him 84% of the vote.
- They conducted a model that resulted in Evo wining by 10.9% based on the fact that the not-yet-counted votes leaned heavily for Evo.
- The electoral system was itself implemented because of OAS recommendations.
- The OAS study on the alleged forged tallies was not conducted in a way that could have produced statistically relevant data.
- Finally, the electoral system includes thousands of citizen and party officials supervising and overseeing it. It is sound and the data is available online. This is not a system that could easily be manipulated.

All of this is completely true and totally sound logic and none of it will do anything at all to stop millions of loving morons from uncritically parroting CIA propaganda even on the left.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Plutonis posted:

Maduro is arming a 320k strong militia movement, guess he wizened up about relying on the army lol

Well Guiado did specifically say he was looking to Bolivia as an inspiration

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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brugroffil posted:

2009 me was very naive/dumb about "intervention, but the good liberal version"

Thanks for permanently and quickly disabusing me of that idea, Obama

People say Obama was terrible for leftism in the US but he did teach us never to trust the liberals

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Mister Bates posted:

an Argentine journalist and a Mexican photographer are currently trapped inside a military cordon in Senkata, they're saying that everyone who attempts to leave is getting shot and that the police are hunting them specifically. these are the guys responsible for getting most of the footage of today's massacre out.

https://twitter.com/F_ortegazabala/status/1196959902041870336

god it's getting really loving bad down there. it's so depressing to watch a second Dirty War spring to action right in front of me in 2019

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Al! posted:

wsj is screaming BLOOD BLOOD as expected



jesus loving christ

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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yellowcar posted:

death to america

:d2a:

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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brugroffil posted:

idk I think there's a difference between say US Democrat-style neoliberalism and the rampant christo-fascism we're seeing take over Bolivia

Yes, but the difference isn't that one is not right wing

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Addamere posted:

Except the coup lady and the cops

And Camacho

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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BEAR GRYLLZ posted:

looks like the mainstream media has finally decided to report on the slaughter of protestors and has also acknowledged that la paz is completely cut off. NYT/wapo/CNN are all mentioning a meeting between anez and "opposition groups" tomorrow, so this is probably when mesa swoops in to appoint himself the reasonable centrist dictatorpresident who will heal the country's wounds.

let the fascists take the initial heat and then ransack the country with neoliberalism after you take over.

god you're so loving right. gently caress. jesus loving christ. poo poo. that's exactly what's going to happen

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Lawman 0 posted:

Who is Mesa? :(

guy who lost the election to Morales

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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PawParole posted:

MAS must refuse. the coupists are scared, La Paz is under siege.

It would be bad strategy to agree to surrender.

I think they would just like the murder and manhunting to stop. They have prices on their heads right now.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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they really walked into that one

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TheBalor posted:

It's not going to stop.

I agree. But I think they are doing this for the same reason Morales agreed to the new elections, to resign, etc. -- they just want the violence to stop and do not want to go to war over it.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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uninterrupted posted:

basically morales is another neoliberal that stabbed the left and bolivians in general in the back by not arming the populace/purging the military/confiscating capital and immediately nationalizing it.

The one reasonable argument against him running again is the massive fascist coup that popped up right under his nose. He would have been president and pushed incremental change until he got couped or died.

shut the gently caress up idiot

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Aug 8, 2009

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Mister Bates posted:

the barricades around the Senkata fuel plant, where the most recent massacre took place, have been dismantled by the protesters as a show of good faith in the offered deal, and the army is currently rushing fuel transports in and out of the plant as quickly as they can to restock their depleted supplies.

this is the most depressing lambs to the slaughter scenario i've ever seen

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Mister Bates posted:

I'm honestly fuckin baffled as to what MAS's game is here, there has got to be some kind of strategy behind this but from the outside this deal seems to fly in the face of, like, basic human self-preservation instincts.

some of the people who voted in favor of this deal are on the literal loving kill-lists the government has been spreading around

I think that they are surrendering. At this point it appears that the MAS legislators don't have the cojones their base has and they just don't want to die, so they are giving up in the hopes that they will be spared if they collaborate.

Not blaming them for that. They have families and are high-profile targets. But that's how it is.

Cup Runneth Over
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gradenko_2000 posted:

we shouldn't be second guessing the decision of MAS and its supporters when Langley still goes un-firebombed day after day

Hey, we stan a martyr Willem Van Spronsen

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Aug 8, 2009

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

No it isn't. It's a matter of going out and putting the barricades back up. They took the barricades down to show they're willing to uphold their part of the bargain, and if the new regime welches on the deal to hold UN-run elections then the barricades go back up and all commerce in the country grinds to a halt. Bolivia is mostly mountains and highlands, so it's really easy to stop anybody from transporting anything or going anywhere by clogging all the arterial infrastructure. You only need numbers and the will to keep the barricades going.

I think people's main concern is that A) the will to put them back up might be more difficult to muster the second time around, now that the momentum has lost wind, and B) the military will be much better prepared and stockpiled the second time around, now that they have been allowed to resupply freely

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Mister Bates posted:

there's an Interpol Blue Notice out for Evo now, which is to say they are actively attempting to ascertain his exact whereabouts and track his movements, presumably so they'll be ready in case a Red Notice is issued.

the big question is 'will Mexico comply with a Red Notice on Evo if one is issued?'

so Interpol is basically an outright fascist organization now? on what charges would they issue a Red Notice?

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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MonsieurChoc posted:

Cops, fascist? It's more likely than you think.

but this is so blatantly politically motivated, surely a Red Notice would uproar the international community into a seething ra-- ah, who am I kidding, everyone is just going to sit back and give thumbs up while LatAm socialists get their helicopter rides

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Aug 8, 2009

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Al! posted:

amlo should repeal term limits imo

:yeah:

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Aug 8, 2009

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comedyblissoption posted:

afaik Extinction Rebellion, whose banner was flown to organize protests across europe against bolivian embassies right before the coup under this environmental concern trolling, has not disavowed any of this (although they made sure to kill an XR socialists chapter)

Yeah, that was Jhannise Daza's work. And don't kid yourself, none of them even know about this. They aren't paying attention.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

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Listen to me, son. I'm your dad. Destroy them.

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Al! posted:

weird that the mainstream political press cried their eyes out over andy ngo but didnt have a word to say about blumenthal, a journalist locked up for expressing views that run counter to the prevailing narrative of the state department

They mourn their own.

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Aug 8, 2009

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JD crystal

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He's congratulating him on becoming head of his own imaginary parliament in a hysterically pathetic move

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Maduro performed what I like to call a 'democratic coup'

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THS posted:

guaido is a member of a socialist party and is attempting to form parallel institutions of workers power, of course the keyboard warriors of cspam would make light of that

source your quotes

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Centrist Committee posted:

but like the republicans and trump they're just rolling with it I assume

Not anymore

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Aug 8, 2009

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:yeah:

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Lightning Knight posted:

consider for a moment that there are Venezuelan officials/soldiers in American concentration camps who accepted an IOU from Juan Guaido to do a coup

Who probably didn't even need to flee! Maduro is remarkably chill about the whole "attempting to violently unseat him" thing.

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Epic High Five posted:

in no small part thanks to Trump, who told one of the top VZ generals requesting his child receive medical treatment in the US to gently caress off because he's a brown foreigner, who then went on to say he was pro-coup right up until it happened and then backed out, leaving VZ Jeb! hanging, only able to deliver a tiny fraction of the support he had promised Pence he had

Was that Trump, or Ken Cuccinelli?

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Mister Bates posted:

whatever this was it's already gone

It was about Evo coming back to Bolivia on Jan 19, the day MAS candidates are announced

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Stay safe Glenn

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vyelkin posted:

i once got called a tankie genocide denier in canpol lmao

tell us what happened lad

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Bad

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https://www.salon.com/2020/01/24/cyber-rambo-how-a-us-army-vet-aided-the-right-wing-coup-in-bolivia/

Things you do when your cause is very legitimate.

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ikanreed posted:

As far as I can tell that made everyone who ever liked him hate him

[ Everyone disliked that. ]

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