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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

Yes. That and Venezuelan companies hoarding food and selling it on foreign markets instead

If the opposition cares so much about the crisis then why don't they share the food from that rich grocery store with the poor?

There will three hot meals a day waiting for the poor at the slave quarters in the old plantations when Guaido frees the country, what more do you want the rich to do

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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Condiv posted:

i love that the empanada summit thread has gone silent after bolton ratcheted up the punishment on venezuela to ultra starvation

guess the USA didn't want to help venezuelans breathe free after all. at least when fnox returns from sweden his home will be free of all those dirty maduro supporters

You can't get rid of the people who do all the work lol

But they'll be safely disarmed and back as plantation slaves

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Funny how neolibs are self-aware enough to recognize that their own unpopularity necessitates jailing socialists in order to hold voters hostage in a choice between them and fascists, but not self-aware enough to recognize that their unpopularity is why they will lose to fascists anyway.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Hitler: I want to ban left-wing parties but I need to change the constitution
Centrists: banning the socialists and communists would leave us all their votes by default! Very well, but we're not stupid we want a written promise that you won't ban us too
Hitler: okay can I give it to you after you vote to give me unlimited power and I don't need you anymore?
Centrists: hmmmm...something isn't right here...why?
Hitler: I want to make sure the typesetting is all perfect for you
Centrists: aw how sweet!

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

It's the same gaslighting southernors use here.

"We don't have those racial problems down here like the Yankees do up north. They're projecting their own problems with black people on our southern way of life, stirring up trouble and trying to put one race against the other."

The same people in that thread are saying the real imperialism and paternalism is not carpet bombing the global south and installing US puppet governments.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

How is this possible, D&D assured me that Donald Trump is a dove who loves South Americans and would never let Bolton and Abrams repeat the atrocities of the Reagan administration

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Tiler Kiwi posted:

i dont doubt that there were actual bolivans that felt that way, but they felt that way because every country has those kinds of incredible assholes

and they know it too, the same people are always complaining about their right-wing coworkers and high school friends and aunts and whatnot. Uh no sorry your Aunt Margaret is an American so if she says Biden stole the election with 3am pallet dumps of fake ballots in Maricopa County then it must have happened YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO AMERICANS!

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Zedhe Khoja posted:

50/50
gusanos are legitimately insane and this wouldn't be the first time in the past few years a bunch of dipshit Miami exiles tried to conquer a country with like 5 assholes who shoot at the range on weekends
At least the original gusanos knew the Cuban people didn't want them back and made sure to get a promise from Eisenhower that the US Air Force would bomb the country into submission before letting the invasion lose.

And even then they knew that just to hold out long enough they'd need like tanks and paramilitary training and poo poo.

But I guess that's the dose of reality that losing a popular revolution gets you, and their kids never had that, instead they watched too much Game of Thrones and they believe they can just pull up in a yacht and get carried on a palanquin to the presidential palace by grateful crowds.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

you notice that an external / outside force has to be holding the regime together. in venezuela, it was "cuban agents" who were plying their tricks. now, in cuba, things would just fall apart were it not for imported venezuelan "thugs" and makarov-wielding slavic doorknockers

Reminds me of the BLM protests that are always professional protestors/thugs shipped in from other cities...all breaking out in every major city simultaneously.

Paid protestors from Chicago heading to Seattle passing caravans of other paid protestors from Seattle on the highway making the opposite journey

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

brugroffil posted:

Now to check on the US internal security units vis a vis protests and... Oh. Oh no.

The US doesn't suppress pro-democracy protests

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

They only suppress antidemocratic troublemakers and anarchists which is what you are if you aren't aligned with the US government.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

vyelkin posted:

Stewart has always struck me as a truth-is-in-the-middle kind of liberal. Not that he agrees with centrists on every single thing, more that he lionizes the very concepts of moderation and compromise and as a result isn't willing to accept that one side might just be completely wrong on everything and not worth engaging with

Well except for that one time
https://twitter.com/jacobdotgov/status/1372973532141948930

VitalSigns has issued a correction as of 04:43 on Oct 20, 2021

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

"Hey I'd like it if you were plantation slaves for American business again and my doctor's salary paid me enough to aspire to owning a piece of you one day"
"What the gently caress no why are you even our neighbor holy poo poo"
"Omg paid government supporters are doing an embargo on me, and not the good kind that my friends at JP Morgan Chase like!"

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

How can you not find enough people in DC to do an anti-Cuba protest

Can't you just force all the heritage foundation new grad hires or chamber of commerce interns to go hold some flags for a day loving christ. It's not like you think it's a spontaneous all-natural organic event if you're on the board planning it with 8 other lackeys rolling in billionaire donations

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Cao Ni Ma posted:

I took a look at the OAS and it looks like they still have venezuala as a member because they recognize guido as the legitimate ruler. I honestly dont know how anyone can be a member of this with a straight face.

What is the argument for Guaido being the legitimate president again?

Like even if Maduro had rigged the vote, and you could prove it, and Maduro said "aw shucks you win I give up", why does the office devolve upon this guy?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

brugroffil posted:

He was head of their parliament so next in line if there's no legitimate president iirc

Like how Nancy Pelosi would become president of nobody was actually certified on time for the 2020 presidential election.
But she is next in line, not was

Wouldn't it be more like Paul Ryan declaring he's president because he was the head of the House?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

The accusation is that he keeps people "dependent" on him (in other words, gives them reasons to vote for him), which is deplorable obviously

Voters are supposed to carefully compare resumes then file in to vote for the longest one, and then the candidate spits in their faces and tells them to thank him for letting them cast a grubby vote and act like they're part of the process oh and they don't deserve anything. Giving people stuff that makes their lives better is cheating.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Weren't those elections illegitimate due to Maduro cheating by paying off Venezuelan voters for support rather than American corporations?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I'm amazed at cutting fuel taxes and then waiting for gas stations to charge less out of the goodness of their hearts

People are buying the gas for what they're charging now, and they can't buy less gas because they gotta get to work, why would they ever charge less

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

crepeface posted:

losing 50% of your money seems pretty bad to me

You only lose if you sell, idiot!

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Bombing enemy soldiers on the Western Front, hm sounds just like something Hitler did

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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Orange Devil posted:

150k a year is a lot of money everywhere.


It's really not. You can't even afford to hire full-time house staff on that, what with the outrageous salary and vacation demands those people are making these days.

Forcing someone to subsist on the low end of six figures is downright cruel.

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