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mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
For anyone that wants to seriously participate in this thread, I seriously recommend reading the OP

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mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
This highlights the dangers of not reading the OP

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

the nyt is a legit news source while telesur et al etc etc etc you're a mark

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

paul_soccer10 posted:

can you shut up and gently caress off please

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Corky Romanovsky posted:

'cause they read the op

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
id love to learn about how the lancet is not a legit journal, or the authors methodology is flawed but somehow got past peer review, meanwhile heres what some idiot fucker in the nyt had to say which was NOT ghostwritten by state department sources

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
bombing, much like engineering a golpe, is an entirely apolitical policy, as you would know if you'd read the op

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
lol the sanctions don't target food! too bad they target everything else and a. companies doing business with vz become toxic to the global financial capital thus risking blacklisting and b. the state is directly barred from using its resources to buy food because they were seized.

why wont the evil maduro import more food?

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

lol no dude its more like you caressed his hair gently that's a more accurate description of the effect of the sanctions and this matters a whole lot

the sanctions are simultaneously completely useless slaps on the wrist compared to what maduro should be receiving but also the only effective tool possible for forcing elections, no i do not see any logical inconsistency

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Crazycryodude posted:

I know it's from two pages ago but one of my favorite liberalisms is the idea that violence by imperialist invaders that want to do bad things is completely indistinguishable from violence by revolutionaries that want to do good things

it is the liberal brainworms take when you are incapable of examining things into context and have no functioning moral compass, so the end result of those parameters in your logical process is that sort of puerile 'violence bad' that is completely blind to history, power structures etc

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
im assuming that bit refers to a video + interview of poor venezuelans chasing a garbage truck and sifting through garbage cans because they are starving. this is an indictment of maduro, even though the country has been targeted with crippling sanctions (that according to liberals are useless and do no harm), and state reserves have been seized so they could not be used to import basic necessities.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Epic High Five posted:

somebody's gonna get fired for dedicating the entire second season to boosting the profile of the Venezuelan Jeb!

would that be someone at the state department or at the production company


i'd be satisfied with any of the options, tbh

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Zapplez was caught sockpuppeting the venezuela thread when that was still around, arguing with his alt vincentprincesboner.

wait, another one? i remember when he was sockpuppeting with patonthebach (patonthebeach? it was a wordplay of that kind) lmao

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Ytlaya posted:

It is a complete coincidence that they were wrong. Sometimes being right leads you to the wrong conclusions, and sometimes being wrong leads you to the right conclusions. A wise man once said "Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right." When you think about it, who can really say who is right and who is wrong? No one lives forever. Sure, liberal ideology may result in being wrong about most things, but that is only during a small window of the 20th/21st centuries. Perhaps with a larger view of thousands of years it will turn out the liberals were right all along, and that the last decades/century were merely an outlier. A snowy day in Hawaii, and the liberals know that someday the sun will shine again.

there's a guy who posts this exact same poo poo unironically and he is so loving bad lol

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Condiv posted:

it doesn't help that PPJ was clearly unwilling to do what needed to be done to fix the thread. a disproportionate amount of reports came from the pro-intervention side, and PPJ would even baby them by doing stuff like giving me a month probe for not taking a strong stance on what exactly is happening in venezuela thanks to it literally being the subject of american regime change and propaganda efforts

reversal of fortune probations would work very well when you have a pissy old-guard that tries to keep debate out of their spaces via report spamming, but that would involve not coddling a stagnant community in D&D and so PPJ shrugged and gave in to the worst parts of D&D

That likely was related to him being a literal Nazi, to be fair.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
personally, i think its really cool how the media was hyping up the restoration of democracy in bolivia and now all of a sudden theyve gone so quiet you can hear the dust balls rolling around and no ones even talking about bolivia, or venezuela for that matter
and all the brokebrain liberals who were telling me about morales' terrible rule and violation of the constitution just change the topic nervously when asked about military police shooting protesters

also, if im not mistaken, isnt there an ongoing protest in chile as well, or there was one for months last year? where pinera just sent int he carabineros to gently caress up people in a manner reminiscent of pinochetistas? that has also suffered total media blackout i think lol

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Dreylad posted:

I'd love to get some former Guiado defenders to explain exactly how far a foreign power should go to support a revolution against Maduro. How much pain can you inflict on the people living in the country before it becomes immoral?

for there to be pain, there'd have to be people. luckily for liberals, none of the people in the countries they agitate for coups to install bloody autocratic capitalism in, actually count as people to them.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
I mean, those guys were from harvard and so they cant have gotten it wrong right? Reminds me of the dershowitz finkelstein case in many ways

But you bet your rear end if a paper comes out in support of left wing ideas itll be nitpicked - by liberals first and foremost - to death before it even publishes

The gall of these guys. Just publishing poo poo based on glaringly faulty methods and nobody ever loving questions it

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

vyelkin posted:

I mean tbf the framing that Anez is just continuing what Morales did makes perfect sense when you consider all the political opponents he had arrested and/or murdered, such as

it was truly awful and terrible, there was nobody left to oppose him, which is why he was deposed and exiled by a strong, well organized faction of fascists collaborating with sympathetic figures in the police and military

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

globe emoji in username - complete psychopath

the overseas equivalent of an eu flag, i have found

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

OhFunny posted:

Hahaha oh my God if Bolivia has defeated a bunch of fascist coupists through voting.

voting AND also spending >6 months protesting and threatening civil war if elections were not held, and if funny poo poo were to happen etc

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I don't get the globe emojis

are they people who read right wing accounts of (((globalists))) and decided that was a thing they wanted to be

pretty much yeah. they are reclaiming the globalist term as a badge of pride, as in liberal internationalism as a positive force, bringing the freeing forces of markets to the world's South, nobody left behind yadda yadda. it's clever, but also not helped by liberalism having entered a phase of terminal decline and liberals just spouting poo poo indistinguishable from nazis every two seconds so, in short, a land of contrasts. there's also the smug contrarian fuckers who proudly proclaim themselves neoliberals and continuously make a show of unironically espousing the worst psycho poo poo liberal ideology has to offer, which also doesn't help their case as a whole.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Al-Saqr posted:

Oz Katerji is a giant loving idiot on this one and if he was serious about his stance of people freeing themselves from fascism he'd be tapping his toes in excitement over morales winning, there's this wierd streak going on with some arab liberals who backed the syrian revolution but dont apply the same standards to latin american countries trying to free themselves from fascism.

oz katerji spent years smearing corbyn, and a bunch of liberals quoted him to me as 'the definitive source on why socialism failed in the UK'
guy loving hates the left, is what i'm getting to.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
God what a shitshow that thread was

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Pointing to elliot abrams' record, or any past us record on latin america, is russian propaganda, is what i learned in that thread

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

ToxicAcne posted:

Upperclass people in Pakistan are like this too, always talking in English with forced American accents. And they also seeing the lower classes as subhumans. I have family in Pakistan who won't let their Christian servants from the same dishes as the rest of the household (Many Christians in the area are converts from Dalits).

It is a pretty universal feature of provincial (intra-nation) and empire-peripheral (international) upper classes to just go all-in on self-racism and a certain brand of restricted xenophilia. The more provincial/peripheral, the more virulent the sentiment and the self hatred that they then project on the local lower class.

mortons stork has issued a correction as of 07:11 on Oct 22, 2020

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Since IMF loans are issued in tranches conditional on implementation of structural adjustment reforms, a viable path could just be to, you know, not implement those reforms and forfeit the next tranches of the loan

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Fast Luck posted:

https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1321123401822515201

Literally praying for a military dictatorship, my god

psycho globe emojis and assorted liberals: not a coup you see, because :umberto:

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Phi230 posted:

Coup Cucks Clan

holy poo poo

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
naruto running... for congress!

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Also as a side effect it causes poor people to suffer terribly, which is an excellent bonus if not a goal onto itself for the depraved ruling western elites

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
When people starve or suffer under an embargo imposed by the most powerful capitalist nations it is actually socialism that is to blame.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

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Oct 13, 2012

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

lol do you remember having to argue with like half of dnd that actually the 'aid convoy' that all major aid orgs wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole was maybe kinda sus
also that the guy who set it on fire wasn't probably actually an agent provocateur of the maduro regime

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
about bolivia, looks like my continent truly is ruled by the demon cracker union
https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1387874379195953153
lmao loving union of nazis

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
God what a cuck.
Total waste and disappointment

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

I hate that goddamn democracy numbers lady

That lady is literally what they are trying to make polisci departments into everywhere lol

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mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
average western liberal:
No carrot! only stick! wait why are you flipping me off????

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