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THS
Sep 15, 2017

the state department accidentally discovered their diplomatic corps are r*******

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THS
Sep 15, 2017

i didnt watch chernobyl because i assume its just propaganda against the glorious soviet union

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Every day another person or group of people die from the effects of US sanctions.

actually the sanctions never had any effect, which is why we did them

THS
Sep 15, 2017

guaido is a socialist

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Lambert posted:

The Bajoran snack??

lol

THS
Sep 15, 2017

all i ever wanted was to bbe president

THS
Sep 15, 2017

the max blumenthal thing is so loving outrageous, gently caress this country

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Corky Romanovsky posted:

On his Jimmy Dore interview, he seems to simultaneously exaggerate and gloss over his arrest.

i just listened to the interview and have no idea what you're talking about, what do you mean? he seems appropriately outraged about essentially getting swatted. jimmy dore sucks and has strong crank energy tho maybe he's throwing off the conversation to you

THS has issued a correction as of 00:09 on Nov 4, 2019

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Chillgamesh posted:

Is this real life? Is an actual descendant of a fascist dictator named after another fascist dictator seriously writing a concerned neoliberal article defending the right wing government in loving Chile? Is my brain fried? Am I even alive?

it’s the end of history, you see

THS
Sep 15, 2017

death to america

THS
Sep 15, 2017

read any comment section on social media for an incredibly awesome dose of self-described leftists who will tell you "Well, actually" and "evo morales was no saint" when they see yet another instance of literally the oldest loving habit the US has - toppling leftist South American governments

THS
Sep 15, 2017

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Generally all the evidence of underhanded bullshit starts to trickle out a few years after this, at which time liberals will have washed their hands and moved on to the Peru campaign etc.

by the very nature of intelligence agency fuckery and behind the scenes power grabs, no one will have 100% objective and sourced evidence that this is exactly what it looks like - a rightwing coup supported by the United States. and because nothing of the sort will come out for years, reflexively (and correctly) making the cynical assumption about what's going on in Bolivia will look like a conspiracy theory or Tankie Bullshit to them

but hey, the important thing is, when it really counted, the liberal will always be there to be the person who Appears Serious and take the nuanced position of defending the interests of global capitalism

THS
Sep 15, 2017

on the plus side this is an incredibly good teachable moment of being able to see the absolute loving worst instincts of a lot of dipshit liberals in real time

THS
Sep 15, 2017

love too read the newspaper and stay informed about current events overseas

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Condiv posted:

i peeked at the d&d equiv of this thread and... yikes

permaban hamprince

THS
Sep 15, 2017


you suck pretty bad dude

THS
Sep 15, 2017

GreyjoyBastard posted:

i like to think i'm actually pretty educable and appreciate the effort by the dudes in the dnd thread when i ask questions or when things happen i don't ask questions about, i'm just not terribly interested in enduring performative jeers hereabouts so I mostly just lurk and read the occasional actual content

as opposed to, you know

love to be a rudderless ship sailing the open seas of ideology

THS
Sep 15, 2017

cool that any and all development gains made under Morales will now be reversed because the Bolivian right and their cronies will all loot the country and implement austerity

THS
Sep 15, 2017

comedyblissoption posted:

npr this afternoon talked w/ bbc south american correspondent katie whatever and used the word coup a single time to start the segment framing yesterday's events as morales resigned amidst accusations of electoral fraud, morales supporters say he was couped

they predictably framed the events yesterday the entire rest of the segment as morales resigning and the military asking him to step down. they concern trolled by wondering out loud who is in charge and what is going to happen even though the opposition has now gained the executive power

npr also gaslighted its audience by being forthright enough to say morales was calling for new elections right before he resigned


"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."

THS
Sep 15, 2017


stand outside in a lightning storm and hope when you get struck that it scrambles your brain into something better

THS
Sep 15, 2017

squalid is capital T Thoughtful in the same way as a lot of other insanely moronic overly online middle class nerds. he would be happier on reddit, with the rest of his people

THS
Sep 15, 2017

greyzone is rapidly becoming one of the better places to get foreign policy reporting

THS
Sep 15, 2017

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

lol the respectable left is already moving to call the greyzone a tankie publication or in the thrall of russia/china

its the only patreon i give to now because they seem like they are going to need the money. for better reporting and more writers, but also lawyers

THS
Sep 15, 2017


so now leftists are against education?? grow up

THS
Sep 15, 2017

The Elliot Abrams Academy for Gifted Gusanos

THS
Sep 15, 2017

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

White people in america just don't understand what white people in the global south have to do in order to live "normal" white people lives

THS
Sep 15, 2017

from James Dahl, on the radio war nerd facebook group. he’s pretty knowledgeable, wish he’d cite sources tho



hope this is accurate

THS
Sep 15, 2017

more stuff that i absolutely cannot verify followed by a bad computer translation:

*ATENTOS*! 7:50 pm hora local de
La Paz Bolivia, Las masas que reclaman el regreso de EVO, en la zona del Alto, lograron el control del parque de armas de la Policia en esa Zona, la Policia de esa Zona se Rindió, ahora las masas avanzan sobre la ciudad de La Paz, la Policia que está en La Paz, está pidiendo a las masas de Evo, que se eviten enfrentamientos armados, desean negociar su rendición, con las masas Leales a Evo. *En las próximas horas se espera el retorno del Sr. Presidente legítimo de Bolivia a su puesto de mando.

GOLPE DE ESTADO EN RETROCESO.

1.- 1er Vicepresidenta del Congreso Boliviano (militante del MAS) Aclara que ella no ha renunciado, por lo tanto, por orden de sucesion es la Presidenta de esa institución y toma la desición de suspender sesión del Congreso hasta ultimo aviso...la derecha se empantana y no haya que hacer.

2.- Las principales centrales obreras llaman a desmontar el golpe de lo contrario se iran a huelga general y paralizarán el país.

3. Las principal central sindical campesina comienza a bloquear las carreteras del país...presionando a la derecha para que desmonte el golpe.

4. Paises como Mexico, Argentina (Presidente electo), Paraguay, Venezuela, Nicaragua, España...enfatizan que hay que desmontar el golpe de estado...

5. Movilización mundial de Partidos Politicos, organizaciones sociales y gremiales, intelectuales, artistas, organizaciones de derechos humanos exigen el desmonte del golpe de estado.

6. La Fuerza de la Policia se ha dividido...un gran numero de policias se han unido a las fuerzas antigolpe...

Estos elementos están incidiendo fuertemente en el debilitamiento de las fuerzas de derecha fascista que ejecutaron el golpe de estado...por lo que en las proximas horas...según analistas internacionales podría desmontarse el golpe..🎙: 🤗🤗
Viva Bolivia 🇧🇴
Viva Evo

Informe por compañeros sindicalistas en Bolivia.

—————

* attentive *! 7:50 pm local time of
La Paz Bolivia, the masses that claim the return of evo, in the area of the high, managed to control the police park in that area, the police of that area gave up, now the masses advance over the city of the Peace, the police who are in peace, is asking the masses of evo, to avoid armed clashes, wish to negotiate their surrender, with the masses loyal to evo. * in the next few hours the return of Mr. is expected. Legit President of Bolivia to his command position.

Coup D ' état in throwback.

1.- 1St Vice-President of the bolivian Congress (militant of the mas) clarifies that she has not waived, therefore, by order of succession is the president of that institution and makes the decision to suspend congress session until Last notice... the right is digging and not to be done.

2.- the main workers plants call to dismantle the coup otherwise they will go to general strike and will standstill the country.

3. The Main Peasant Union Central begins to block the roads of the country... pressing to the right to dismantle the blow.

4. Countries like Mexico, Argentina (President-elect), Paraguay, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Spain... emphasize that the coup d ' état has to be dismantled...

5. World Mobilization of political parties, social organizations and guilds, intellectuals, artists, human rights organizations demand the dismount of the coup d ' état.

6. The Police force has been divided... a large number of police have joined the forces forces...

These elements are strongly impacting the weakening of the fascist right forces that executed the coup d ' état... so in the next few hours... according to international analysts, the blow could be dismantled.. 🤗🤗
Viva Bolivia 🇧🇴
Long live evo

Report by fellow trade unionists in Bolivia.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

somewhat hopeful that this will not turn out as bad as i thought it would since sunday

THS
Sep 15, 2017

i also think the extreme breakneck pace of a huge wall of propaganda immediately followed by the insane fascists breaking out the giant bibles and burning indigenous flags has made at least some liberals and younger people question some of their assumptions about imperialism / strengthen their ability to identify imperialism, from what i've seen

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Phi230 posted:

What have you seen and where because I refuse to believe it

facebook jacobin comments, literally saw some young looking liberal after some of the more hosed stuff came out say "i was totally wrong about morales a few days ago and i should have been more careful i apologize" as well as the entire general and overwhelming tone in every progressive forum, including reddit stuff, shift towards calling this a coup and being against it. the thread in D&D is a decent microchasm - even the liberals there aren't really trying to take the cute nuanced position anymore (though who knows if they will have actually learned anything from this)

this is just my feel from online stuff though, not a single person at my workplace gives a gently caress. but within the marginal left circles that i read and comment in, the anti-coup people seem to be hounded out and it happened so fast that even the most ADD, naive, and undisciplined leftists can read the tea leaves here

THS
Sep 15, 2017

even the most squishy idiots seem to be averse to what's going on in bolivia when the initial flood of propaganda was so half-assed, the rightwing opposition is so white, openly fascist, and incompetent- and all the pro-MAS protesters look like angry grandmas

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Doctor Nick posted:

It's heartening to see, but I would caution you from drawing conclusions from what people post online. Most people don't bother posting online about news, and they get their news from mainstream media outlets. Mainstream media outlets are still continuing to manufacture consent and push the standard US line.

yeah like i said, i understand this is all marginal stuff on the "paying attention to poo poo" left, but i think consolidating that sphere with incredibly vibrant examples of Stupid Imperialism is illustrative to a lot of people who otherwise might have remained rather wooly

the average age of the person watching MSNBC is 65 and it's harder to control narratives, as much as various state and private actors try to manipulate those narratives

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Al! posted:

oh weird what happened to that guy

i think wobuffet was a she and she mysteriously disappeared as soon as the video of the new 'president' appeared with the giant bible infront of the government building, while the other main opposition leader had clear videos of himself and other fascists doing hitler salutes

anyway always believe english speaking white bolivians who somehow ended up on a $10 pay to post comedy forum

THS
Sep 15, 2017

liberals lack hate in their hearts for america. they lack the conviction that this demon cracker nation must be destroyed. anything can be excused if on a base level you think this system can and should be propped up and salvaged

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Tom Guycot posted:

Oh hey, someone's finally asking US presidential candidates about Bolivia-


https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/1195913933925834753



-wait, wait, never mind, they're only asking Sanders so they can make him look Soft On Dictators©, please continue as you were.

this is what makes Bernie Sanders a world-historic difference from the normal electoral process, and why he has to win

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Al! posted:

yeah maybe theyll just let us vote him in lmao

his failure or CIA assassin is a precondition for furthering the irreconcilable contradictions in our society *hits acceleration button*

THS
Sep 15, 2017

vyelkin posted:

it's because the fascists actually took power in bolivia and started enacting fascism which made it hard for libs to keep defending, whereas in venezuela guaido remained schrodinger's president and so no one could definitively prove that he would have set up death squads

we can’t know for sure what would happen if the right wing in venezuela took over though.. that would be unfounded assertions and they might be genuine about restoring democracy. if you oppose guaido just because he is against maduro then, well, that’s a pretty typical tankie attitude. anyway i am going to credulously believe this venezuelan who just registered an account today, writes perfect english, and refuses to say what their ideological point of view is

THS
Sep 15, 2017


lmao

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Sep 15, 2017

Ruzihm posted:


big structural evo

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