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Shinjobi posted:I forgot about the New Age Outlaws being the last straw for Cody and Dustin. God drat that was complete garbage. DX is trash HHH wanted to help his buddies yet again, nothing could be done
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achillesforever6 posted:Sounds that Ricochet and Cesaro had a good match at least quote:Ricochet vs Cesaro was cut from the Hulu airing this week
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DarkstarIV posted:So another match was announced for Smackdown tonight. Really putting that wild card rule to good use. Don't have enough challengers on one show because you failed to book anything right? Just have people show up wherever the gently caress they want.
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Incessant Excess posted:The Goldust vs Stardust match was on the same PPV that had Bryan put over Roman in the main event including the handshake afterwards, that show sure set a course. Maybe I am showing my age but Cena beating Benoit with an STF will always bother me more
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So let me get this right, less than two weeks aways from Super Shitshow in KSA, Raw had a segment involving a Palestine-supporting, KSA-criticising Muslim being placed in an 'Electric Chair'? Can't wait for his Lumberjack match next week with the guys surrounding the ring trying to cut his limbs off.
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May 28, 2019 19:02
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Vince was once good and become bad for wrestling I've only followed casually for the last several years after watching religiously for 20. But hasn't HHH been behind what NXT is today?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I've only followed casually for the last several years after watching religiously for 20. But hasn't HHH been behind what NXT is today? He has managed to make an entertaining wrestling show that is one hour per week and doesn't have to worry about ratings or budget.
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NXT could have 100 years of NJPW level.matches and bookings and still not fill the suck deficit of main roster HHH
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The_Rob posted:Wait how did that ricochet/cesaro match get cut out on Hulu. It was one of the only matches on the show and it was like 4 minutes long. probably because only important things get on hulu
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The_Rob posted:Wait how did that ricochet/cesaro match get cut out on Hulu. It was one of the only matches on the show and it was like 4 minutes long. There were no "stars" in it.
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HHH is a selfish prick and an egomaniac, but Vince is an incredibly disturbed human being.
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Incessant Excess posted:I know I'm a fuckin idiot for asking but did anyone keep track of the wild card guys this week? I didn't notice them mentioning the rule and as far as I can recall, the only Smackdown guys were Kofi, Roman and Shane. Shane doesn't count, he's been appearing on both shows since December.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I appreciate that every move WWE makes is daring their viewers to stop watching The main roster poo poo has been so bad lately that I've lost the desire to watch weekly NXT. If I'm not watching NXT, I'm thinking I should just cancel the network altogether.
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It seems like the massive narrative from WWE fans and dirtsheet reports of WWE employees is just increasingly "it's all Vince's fault". So that makes a great scapegoat for not only fans to ignore bigger problems but for employees probably excuse themselves of any blame.
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STAC Goat posted:It seems like the massive narrative from WWE fans and dirtsheet reports of WWE employees is just increasingly "it's all Vince's fault". So that makes a great scapegoat for not only fans to ignore bigger problems but for employees probably excuse themselves of any blame. He has near absolute power in WWE, it all being a single persons fault is more true in this case than in most.
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Dango Bango posted:The main roster poo poo has been so bad lately that I've lost the desire to watch weekly NXT. Yes you should have cancelled that poo poo months ago. Years even.
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Incessant Excess posted:He has near absolute power in WWE, it all being a single persons fault is more true in this case than in most. It's simplistic and ignores the mountains of evidence of "blame" for other parties. It leads to absurd poo poo like someone saying "HHH would have nothing to do with those Revival segments". It's just standard human nature for people who feel trapped and powerless to change something to simplify it to one glaring problem they cant do anything about.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I had to watch Raw in 2004 You know you could have just...not watched Raw in 2004? HHH thinks he's Ric Flair & Harley Race and he's really really not, but I don't know if "being an over-rated wrestler who is pushed hard" is worse than helping to cover up murder, encouraging a culture of dangerous steroid use in the locker room, covering up child sexual abuse, threatening to fire Owen Hart for not wanting to do that loving Blue Blazer "drop down from the rafters and then quick release a couple feet off the ground for a cheap laugh" gag when Owen thought it wasn't safe and a myriad of other poo poo that Vince has done or has happened under his watch. Even in a jokey hyperbolic way. Just no. STAC Goat posted:It seems like the massive narrative from WWE fans and dirtsheet reports of WWE employees is just increasingly "it's all Vince's fault". So that makes a great scapegoat for not only fans to ignore bigger problems but for employees probably excuse themselves of any blame. What are the bigger problems than the senile old man who changes his mind on 3 minutes before the show starts airing, pushes people he likes rather than what gets over, is the entire reason Kevin Dunn is still employed and in charge of TV production despite it generally involving camera cuts every 2 seconds? When it comes to creative, everyone in the writing staff is writing for an audience of one, Vince McMahon. I'm sure others have a measure of blame, it's a big company, but until the day Vince steps back or dies, he's the control freak in charge.
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STAC Goat posted:It's simplistic and ignores the mountains of evidence of "blame" for other parties. Who are those other parties whose employment Vince isn't in control over?
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Drew McIntyre posted:here's a thought exercise for all you fantasy bookers: fix the WWE without removing Vince from power No problem! First you remove Vince McMahon from power, and then
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Wendell posted:No problem! First you remove Vince McMahon from power, and then what the-- you didn't even read his directive!
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Incessant Excess posted:Who are those other parties whose employment Vince isn't in control over? HHH vouched for Demott and chose him specifically as the PC's first head trainer, is BFFs with Hogan and was first to publicly say he should be given another chance within a month of the incident, and was the sole reason behind that absurd meeting being called where Hogan apologized for being caught and explained beforehand it was a learning experience to make sure you're not being monitored Chris James 2 fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 28, 2019 |
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Chris James 2 posted:HHH vouched for Demott and chose him specifically as the PC's first head trainer, is BFFs with Hogan and was first to publicly say he should be given another chance within a month of the incident, and was the sole reason behind that absurd meeting being called where Hogan apologized for being caught and explained beforehand it was a learning experience to make sure you're not being monitored Who is HHH's boss?
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Drew McIntyre posted:here's a thought exercise for all you fantasy bookers: fix the WWE without removing Vince from power Would “burn it down” be a valid path? Vince could still be the Head of a dead organism.
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Incessant Excess posted:Who is HHH's boss? Stephanie
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STAC Goat posted:It leads to absurd poo poo like someone saying "HHH would have nothing to do with those Revival segments". Some people sincerely believe his bullshit and it's absolutely astonishing/lacking in any basis of reality
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forkboy84 posted:You know you could have just...not watched Raw in 2004? While this all might be true (assuming you don't subscribe to what I think is a very reasonable idea that anyone who is protecting and supporting Vince, WWE, and the people who committed these sins are complicit to them even after the fact) but doesn't have HHH (or Steph, or Shane, or whoever) have their own generational list? Taking blood money and spreading propaganda about an oppressive murderous regime even at a time when much of the global community was outraged by their actions. White washing the legacies of abusers like Moolah and bigoted extremists like Warrior. Covering for racists like Hogan and Lars Sullivan and pushing for POC employees to give them a stamp of approval. Aren't there countless other things? The Ashley Massaro stuff just recently. The general treatment of employees and labor abuses and the more recent specific examples of petty and unethical attempts to handcuff them or stuff like firing AJ Lee on her wedding day. The lawsuit against CM Punk and Colt Cabana. Fighting the CTE/concussion stuff. The Bill DeMott abuse stuff. Or, you know, all the association and fundraising for the Trump Administration. Vince certainly has a long and horrid rap sheet but its impossible to separate his crimes and sins from his role as the corporate leader of WWE. It would be different if Vince was some standard CEO who had twisted personal behavior. But much of the terrible things he's done were done in his twisted and evil sense of protecting WWE, just as HHH, Steph, Shane, and others probably justify the poo poo they're doing today. Joe Paterno didn't just protect rapists, the entire Penn State structure did. And sure, maybe this generation of McMahons are only covering for racists and abusers in house and only aiding and covering for murderers and rapists in a broad sense with the KSA and Trump stuff. But they haven't racked up the time Vince has yet as the main person to blame or had all their skeletons uncovered. sportsgenius86 posted:Given everything out there from writers from multiple generations of the company, I can't fathom how a case can be made for 99% of the fault not being on Vince McMahon. Assuming we're talking about the product here and not the other ethical and moral stuff, if you truly believe that Vince has sole power to change and veto everything then you can go ahead and blame him. But there's countless cases of evidence of other McMahons, writers, announcers, and wrestlers echoing Vince's ideas or the problems that blamed to him. From Steph to HHH to Road Dogg to Randy Orton to Roman Reigns there's plenty of WWE people routinely going to bat and defending the bad WWE stuff if not clearly being directly responsible for it. Its not that Vince isn't to blame, its that there's plenty of blame to go around and the focus on Vince and the idea that things will just be better by default when he's gone sounds like an "easy fix" to me. Incessant Excess posted:Vince being the source of every problem does not mean he is the only problem. This would have been a more effective and easier to read thing for me to say.
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