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Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I think I'm right on the cusp of starting chapter 4 and I wanna chit chat about this game but want to avoid story spoilers. Gameplay/item spoilers I can live with. Should I bookmark this thread or wait until I'm done?


Edit: One thing I do want spoiled, does anyone give you a proper camera in this game to activate a real photo mode, and can I get it at this point? That was my favorite part of HZD.


Edit2: If I don't end up not staying I just want to say that as someone who loved all the MGS games, up to and including MGS4, and as someone who enjoys just walking/driving around slowly in GTA4/V and taking in the sights....this is slowly becoming my favorite game of all time.

Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Nov 19, 2019

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Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I actually avoided watching any footage after the short Higgs trailer and about 2-3 hours in I realized all those early trailers were stuff from the intro portion and I was loving psyched

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


how come I have a zillion miscellaneous porter star rating things and like zero for everything else other than like strand/like/social rating?

It seems like missions all pile up on awarding you just one point of the star and it's always misc, and occasionally they'll drop 2-3 points into another one and zero on misc. Like one of them says speed and there's been missions that I feel like I cheated on by doing a boosted wheelie across nasty territory with zero stops and it still gives me like a beep on delivery speed and 5 points on misc. It seems like you get cool poo poo for them and I'm always trying to run around with a giant backpack and be fast but I never get points for that.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


lol that's crazy. I've definitely tried to max out timed deliveries by just wheelie boosting through a whole area and yeah I don't remember getting any big bonus for it either.

It's so much fun seeing all of Kojimas odd sensibilities for various parts of gaming and telling a story applied to something other than MGS. There were so many times in the beginning of this game where I was like "wtf is this" and then I remember oh right he did that in MGS too.

Like why the gently caress is this guy named Diehard Man and no one thinks it's weird enough to explain....oh wait *gestures towards every single bad guys name in any MGS game ever*.



Edit: Is it normal to have not had a big introduction to either Heartman or Mama even if you've gotten to almost the end of chapter 3? I know I've seen footage of Sam interacting with them before but I've only had them as bit players and holograms so far. I thought maybe I just didn't do whatever optional mission leads to that in the starting area but then I thought I heard mama mention she's actually south of lake knot or something?

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Romes128 posted:


And the characters in this game love explaining their names.

I mean I guess the MGS bosses loved doing that too, but it's still funny to spend so much of the game walking around like OK Die Hard Man......byee

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


HEY! I'M SAM!
/

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


lmfao my wife hit the yell button at some NPC porters yesterday and sam was like "Heyyyyy! Mines heavier!"

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


My wife took over the controller for this game halfway through chapter 3 last night and I gave it a 50/50 chance she'd be into it or absolutely hate it, but after some initial about the controls, the dumb menu behavior, and norman reedus rear end shots we traded off playing until 3am and now she's texting me telling me to hurry up and get home so we can deliver more poo poo and build roads.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Romes128 posted:

I killed some mules and deadman called me a bit after and said I need to dispose of the bodies and he marked them on the map. I eventually got a game over cause of the void out.

Iím assuming after you get that call the bodies are wrapped up for transport. I didnít check.

Lmfao congrats to Kojima for finally getting people to want to do non-lethal

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Does getting a 5-star sticker from people actually do anything or do they just gift you a whatsit to go with it?

I got the timefall farm couple 5-starred and they were my first, sadly had to go to bed before deploying a goose hologram somewhere lmfao

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I was kind of sad when I got vehicles and stopped trekking all over the place but the siren song of the gigantic truck bed for carrying an obscene amount of stuff is too strong. I also like driving around doing deliveries, stealing all the ceramics from a place and building roads all over.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I don't get the logistics of the scene where (ch4/5) Fragile is being force marched through timefall to bring a nuke...Ö..somewhere else? It sounds like she made a choice between two cities getting nuked but I don't understand why what she did was the better choice

Also big ups to Kojima for having the sliver of self-control required to not have that shady courier guy literally twirl a mustache while giggling and handing you a VERY DEFINITELY NOT A BOMB package.



Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Nov 20, 2019

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Romes128 posted:

She had a choice between jumping out to save herself and letting the nuke go off or carrying the nuke to the pit, saving everyone but loving herself up

Ok so the city that she DID get nuked was a completely unrelated thing to that scene? She said something about another place where a bunch of people died but I can't recall exactly what was going on. Or have all the previous conversations about her and nuking cities been referencing this scene where she almost did, but didn't?

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


emdash posted:

Sorry about spoiling it, whoops. It is really useful if you ever need to get all the way across the map and you don't care if you take anything with you, yeah.


IIRC the choice is between saving a second city from being nuked (one already happened) and keeping her youthful looks

This is what I figured after thinking about it for a while but I wasn't sure if it was right. Also big ups to Higgs for apparently attempting this same trick three times lmfao

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I finally tried sending a delivery bot from SouthLake to Engineer or something and when it reported back that everything was destroyed I immediately thought of the hitchhiking robot that got destroyed in Philly.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Grizzled Patriarch posted:

I think you're just not supposed to think too hard about it, or assume your experience is an "abbreviated" version of the actual trip.

Funnily enough Horizon Zero Dawn did the same exact thing.


Yeah it's really interesting because I feel like the rest of the game is spent, in very Kojima fashion, aggressively making all of your actions and gameplay very "literal" in a physical sense. Things that are allowed to just be understood and glossed over in other games get addressed. He tries to make the world and what you do very granular so there's not a lot of moments where you think "oh well the actual action of doing X is just represented by Y happening in the game" (like in another game if you had the option to take a shower your guy might just quickly hop in and out of a shower and we generally just agree ok that represents a shower, wherein DS Reedus does the whole thing and gets dried off in a cutscene). Your items are actual items you have to carry around, if you go to your private room on your own you get a cutscene of you going down there, if you do it while a vehicle is on the platform you get a cutscene where you see it going with you (where in another game it might just play the same "sam only" elevator cutscene while the vehicle disappears and you're left to assume it just got loaded, via game logic), etc etc. Even when it does happen that something is just "represented" in menus there's still a physical logic to it, you have to put the hover trolley on the ground before you can menu items from the truck to it, you can pick up items and walk them over to a delivery point or truck and they show up as loadable in the cargo menu. I'm sure if he had his way Kojima would have done away with the cargo menu and forced you to load everything by hand (or in the shower example if he had his way he would force you to watch Reedus strip down and then get dressed again).

But the obvious giant exception to this is the US map. Your like 10 minute on-foot journey from Knot capital westward is actually Sam going from like NYC to Columbus Ohio and it's just supposed to be understood that this is representative. It's actually so against the philosophy of the rest of the game I half expected it to get explained via some time fuckery in a codec conversation or email to at least slightly bring it in line.

Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 20, 2019

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Colonel Whitey posted:

I also enjoy that we never have to connect Florida. gently caress Florida





The decision to represent it all via like....Iceland/Alaskan looking naturescapes instead of anything that even slightly resembles the American area you're in is a really odd and cool choice. Like I can imagine they worked for a long time trying to make actual representations of areas and cities and at some point someone was like "the big remote mountainous landscapes we're making look a lot better and are more fun to play in" and someone else was like "ok lets just make the whole game that then"

Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Nov 20, 2019

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


American McGay posted:

You unlock enhanced (with blood) piss grenades.

1) I'm not 100% sure you're joking
2) If you are joking this would have been real if anyone had thought of it during development.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Is the Timefall Porter drink that replaces your Monster Energy drink supposed to be beer, water or another kind of energy drink?

Edit: I assume it's beer because they grow wheat at the farm and the can kind of looks like a beer but then why would it keep giving you a stamina boost?

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


This game has me perfectly torn between transporting truckloads of soil over mountains at 5mph for hours on end and pushing the story ahead.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Shaocaholica posted:

Oh yeah what do people eat post DS? How do you farm poo poo with ghosts running around? Isn't it all contaminated with ghost poo that's highly toxic?

Ch4/5-ish - there's a farm in the very south of the central region that uses timefall to accelerate harvests, they grow wheat and maybe other stuff? There's also a mission around this time where you deliver some like nutrition paste to a mountainous waystation. And there's always the giant waterbears that float around everywhere.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Thundercracker posted:

Also, the population level is staggering low. I think some email said capital knot was about 47k people.

Yeah there's either an email or codec convo where they say the population is so low that no one is in danger of starving anymore.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


quote:

As you try to balance several packages on your back using the shoulder triggers, try not to think too hard about how this game could have been Silent Hills instead.

lmfao

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Taintrunner posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kSGEjLzcTY

You have to get eaten by one of the monsters, it seems. I wonder if you could destroy the entire map doing this.

what the


I thought they said it wasn't possible for Sam to trigger a void out, that's why they like using him so much.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


huh cool



Without spoiling anything too hard, does the game ever incentivize you back into walking around doing stuff or have I spoiled myself rotten by driving a truck everywhere now? I have ziplines but I haven't played with them at all yet and I thought maybe that's how they get you.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Steve Yun posted:

New areas need you to walk because you need to connect them to the network before you can have roads and zippies

There are a few missions where you have to walk despite having roads and zippies

There's not a lot of network to Lockne's station that Mama sends you to and I still drove the whole way and back though.

Hell I'm driving through BT areas now too and have only had it go truly disastrous once. Especially now that I can get out and shoot the dumb things to uh...death.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


How does the whole friending system in this game work? Can you strand up with people on your friends list or is it always randos? My wife started another game under a different account name, could we put those together and do double duty on roads?

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


Oxxidation posted:

ziplines are for mountainous regions and yes, they will soon consume your entire life

i'm setting up ziplines with painstaking inch-by-inch precision like i'm assembling a loving ship in a bottle

Hmmm this was quite prophetic

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I nominate Sams "chucking briefcase size packages into the distance like he's pissed at them" animation for animation of the year. Bonus points for making the actual button press combination for it make perfect sense (melee swing+let go).

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


how dare you talk this way about the brave heroes trying to save you from the moldy old antics of Conan O'Brien

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I like the way this game introduces new tech and stuff post-intro. They give it to you, there's a period of time where it's almost completely unnecessary, then you start seeing where other people have used it, and about 1-2 hours later you'll get sent on a delivery where it's very helpful and it's been so long since you first saw it you feel like you're the one coming up with the idea like "oh hey I should use that here". Feels good. It's a nice way to dole out stuff when otherwise you might get choice paralysis with all the different crazy poo poo you can do.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I sort of miss the cassette tape system from MGSV/PW where you can just load up a big ol' text chunk of lore and let Troy Bakers dulcet tone read it off to you while you wander around.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


emdash posted:


Also intentionally losing your footing down hills (especially but not exclusively in snow) is really fast and has no meaningful penalty most of the time

Faster than boarding down on your floating carrier?

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


emdash posted:

Not sure, I barely used them because I found the "skateboard" controls too fiddly

It is really weird but for just about any extended downhill place that's not going to send you off a cliff it's the fastest thing next to a zipline. I'm sure it's been posted here but someone has a youtube of them using bridges and ladders to make like a snowboard x-games course for the thing lmfao


edit: found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnJMElfDItc

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


*extremely Higgs voice* You're pretty good, aint ya!

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


work sucks I just wanna power through this drat games story so I can join black bar chat

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


https://twitter.com/cathroon/status...6638124032?s=21

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!



want

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


I'm in ch6 and I haven't paid attention to stamina at all besides 1 time when I played without visiting a private room for a whole night and wading across rivers.

Just drink some Monster dummy! For your health!

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Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!


No. 2 grenades being blue water is such a cop out, cmon. Fudge me up Kojima.

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